Bad Guy ezekiel stoltzfus / Daniel Martin

[regardingmarley]

On the first page of this thread Josh Ellis (the same guy I just thanked) posts Danny's family's personal business info with phone numbers and links. This information could have been emailed to the OP and not put on a public forum. The second page involves someone posting a pic found on DH geckos Facebook page of a package he received and pulling the tracking number. I realize Facebook is public and you shouldn't post those kind of things. Then on the third page someone posts a picture of the about page of DH geckos showing a picture of his girlfriend who has no involvement of this situation what so ever.

Welcome to America. It's called the Freedom of Information Act. And beyond that, if he didn't want pictures of his girlfriend shared under circumstances of his own negative cause he shouldn't have made them publicly viewable by anyone who looked. Or, more importantly, he could have just been a respectable businessman and no one would have had cause for this. No one with half a brain is buying the "girlfriend's kid" story, especially since texts WERE sent by multiple parties to Dan's phone, not the kid's. And moreover a "stand-up guy" would be sure to maintain his business at a level which would not allow complete theft of personal and business identity. Any way you slice this situation, Dan is not someone anyone should have confidence dealing with, be it by his doing or someone close to him.

 

[Clay Davenport]

Just out of curiosity, Bob ... what cell # is Danny calling you from? Same one you originally posted? Same one that you texted during the transaction?

Yes same phone number

So we're expected to believe some 15 year old kid not only has access to Danny's network, but he also has apparently unfettered access to Danny's cell phone as well?

I was skeptical at first when just the IP matches were in evidence, because we've all seen the "it was someone posing as me" defense many times, but it was still possible this kid actually did use his network connection.
But if the same phone number was used to negotiate the deal as Danny is now using to claim he had no knowledge of it, that's something else entirely.

So far we have nothing aside from the word of Danny through a third party to lend any credence to the claim that the scam was perpetrated by the kid, but the cell phone number is pretty damning evidence that Danny was indeed involved.

Since his cell phone was used to make the deal happen in the first place, it's mighty hard to believe he had no knowledge of it at all until a few hours ago.

Not to mention one of the most classic of scammer tactics on this site, "You get nothing unless the BOI thread is removed".
It's common knowledge that threads are not removed here period, and no one posting a thread has any ability whatsoever to do so, thereby putting to them an impossible task as a requirement that they meet in order to get what they are owed.
Even if everything else claimed is true, this is most certainly not the course of action taken by a good business person.

 

[Magic]

Bob,

Give the weather where I'm at a chance to warm up above 40 and I will send you some cresties for free. Pm me your address. I think I might even have a baby dal for you. Cresties are way too much fun for your kids not to have.

 

[markpulawski]

F.y.i. Incredible geckos
Danny told me the only way he is sending anything is if this thread is removed. Even though he has recovered 4 of the axolotls and the box they were shipped in.
I have given up on getting anything back.

So in other words Danny can still be considered the one that ripped you off since he has the axolotis and you will not receive anything in return. Like so many of these threads go...all is good they are going to take care of it, then 2 months later nothing has happened but more excuses. Sorry for your loss te but it looks like someone is going to get you something, as for Danny a scam is a scam, hopefully this thread will cost him many times what your gecko's were worth. Sad that so few realize it's never too late to do the right thing!

 

[TextileHerps]

From what I'm aware of, even people who are banned can still view the forum and everything it contains. If they could IP block wouldn't the guys who keep coming back to Fauna, making new accounts and 'names' just go away. I know there are proxies to get around things like that but ya.

A trade was made and therefor should be honored, I can understand the OP just giving up by everything getting to stressful and annoyed but you shouldn't give up. Giving up is what the scammer/thief wants from you so they can smile as they lay down to sleep at night knowing they got free critters and still got to keep theirs. As for the personal info, if it's available any place online it is not private and therefor public to anyone who wishes to view it, which is how I believe it was acquired by the poster of it.

Just from this thread I'm seeing 2 people that I'm going to shy away from, gecko wise, till things start clear up on both their ends I start seeing some responsibly from both of them. The BOI is here to stay, it is the point of this section of Fauna to let everyone see it and make the call if they want to buy from said person or not. Sending ether the geckos or the Axo's back when this is deleted is just not right. This thread WILL go away into the dark belly of the BOI if YOU make everything right and then people will see that you're someone they do want to buy from and trade with. Just because it started as a Bad Guy does not mean it has to stay that way for 7 pages, just send the Axo's back or send the promised Geckos. This should've been said it'll be done from the very first convo after you "found" out who did it. Regardless of who did the trade, if came from your computer using your phone and therefor that's all people see. So make things right and send one or other back to the OP and be the Good Guy you want people to see you as.

Kerri you're very kind, if I had some extra babies laying around I'd be right with you on that, Cresties are to much fun. The kids should have Cresties in their life, they're like a smile in a gecko's body. Little Clowns.

My 2cents.

 

[ByRandom]

Mr. Rouse,

First and foremost you're welcome for the e-mail. I felt it was my obligation to bring this thread to your attention since I was the one who first mentioned your name. At that time multiple people had already let Mr. Heim know about the thread via Facebook -- as mentioned above already.

Judging by the obvious disuse of a previous username of yours ("bob parr") that was registered with Fauna in 2010 and your recent join date I will assume that you haven't had the need to use Fauna's BOI before. For that you should count yourself lucky.

What you need to realize is that all the information I have access to and what I deem necessary to post on Fauna is 100% public information. I use Google. I am not violating any laws (ethical or otherwise) by presenting people information that could be necessary in recovering lost or stolen animals/money/etc. If it weren't for people like Chris, Dan, Laura, Nick, (the list could certainly go on for quite some time!) and myself who knows how many crooked people would still be preying on reptile enthusiasts. I understand as a newcomer that these types of threads can be shocking. In my opinion I believe that the positive outcomes (refunds, returns of animals, basic information of who to avoid, etc.) fair exceed any negative aspects (in your words: witch hunts).

What you need to realize, Mr. Rouse, is that this isn't Fauna's first bad guy thread. We know what we're doing. We have heard the excuses before. We have watched known good guys go down in flames. We have watched known good guys' friends and business partners go down with them from blindly sticking to their guns as the good guy gets out of Dodge.

Is it possible that it was Mr. Heim's (or is it Hiem?) girlfriend's son that defrauded Mr. Schurdell? Absolutely. So who is responsible for her minor son?

Good guys don't find excuses for why they can't do the morally correct action. In this case, it would be to send Mr. Schurdell some geckos! Then have the son work it off, pay you back, etc. It's disappointing to me that the son would basically be rewarded with free reptiles for successfully pulling off mail-fraud due to a thread on a website that Mr. Heim didn't agree with. This is the time where Mr. Heim should be here, presenting the information, and scrambling to keep his good name -- not passing the blame.

 

[LauraB]

... After some investigation he figured out that it was his girlfriend's 15 year old brother that made the deal with the OP.

Just to clear any confusion

And good work digging up "bob parr", Josh.

 

[turtleescape]

Daniel Rouse[/QUOTE]

A text along the lines of "I'm going to post this on the fauna classifieds if we don't resolve this" could have been sent. Or maybe a phone call to talk in person. Voice mails, emails could have been sent. My major point of saying that is personal info like that was posted to a forum for the world to see.

I did send 11 text after the animals were received over the past week. And yes this was the same phone number used to call me three times yesterday. As far as calling why would I call someone who stopped replying to my text? I did not have an email or any other information until after this thread was started.

 

[ByRandom]

Just to clear any confusion

Could have sworn that said son... I need new glasses.

My apologies for the confusion! But the sentiment is still the same!

 

[Fangthane]

Good guys don't find excuses for why they can't do the morally correct action.

Bingo. Even if we were to make a huge (and probably undeserved) leap of faith and believe that Mr. Heim's phone was cloned so the kid could intercept and delete text messages before Dan could read them, he's still coming off as a very bad person. He's had every opportunity to come here and turn this into a thread that people would read and think, "Dan Heim is a great guy for cleaning up another person's mess and returning the animals to the OP".

In all honesty, it very well could have amounted to some degree of an increase in his sales. Most people like the idea of doing business with sellers who have shown themselves to be Good Guys with integrity. Sadly, your friend has gone the opposite direction, and shown something quite different about himself. He's chosen to work this to his advantage. Again, this is all based on the highly improbable assumption that your friend played no part in the initial scam. Either way, he could have chosen to play this much differently after he "found out" about it.

 

[Incredible Geckos]

I've decided to chime in again after sleeping on it to clear my head.

I would like to apologize to the OP that he was defrauded out of his animals. I would also like to apologize for the cheap shot I took about sending his animals to some one he didn't know. I was out of line.

Now being that I am involved first hand I have a slightly different perspective on the situation. When I sent a text and talked to Danny I believe he was legitimately surprised about this. How it all happened without his knowledge does sound weird but that is not something for me to explain. I do believe that he should make this right and either send the OP either geckos or the axolotls and I have told Danny this in a text. What he decided to do is out of my control.

What I was most upset about was IF he was innocent all this personal info had been put out there before he had any knowledge about it. I was upset when my name was put on this board and I had absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Also by coming to this board and trying to bringing a different perspective I get called a thief. I believe this same person gave me negative karma and called me a jackass. Now I am a jackass thief for simply trying to defend I guy I know. Is this really how things work here?

I forgot I registered here 3 years ago under "bob parr". I don't think I ever posted here. It is not luck that haven't had to use the BOI before. You will be hard pressed to find anyone that I have dealt with personally that would not 100% recommend me to anyone.

I hope Danny sends the OP what he wants. But I fear even if he does it still will not help. I believe it will be said that he only did it because his name was being drug through the mud here. And even if that is the case it would just be a slight tarnish to his name verses the rust that would happen if he didn't. Me personally would take the tarnish.

Daniel

 

[ByRandom]

I was upset when my name was put on this board and I had absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Mr. Rouse, I apologize if my including you as a friend of Daniel Heim's was in any way viewed as malicious. I am only interested in getting Mr. Schurdell his animals back or the animals he was promised. I researched your name and your business name and came to the conclusion that you had a stellar reputation. Typically someone who has that type of reputation doesn't sit idly by while a friend of theirs (or one of their friend's associates) defrauds people. To be frank - I was counting on you to solve this situation.

Also by coming to this board and trying to bringing a different perspective I get called a thief. I believe this same person gave me negative karma and called me a jackass. Now I am a jackass thief for simply trying to defend I guy I know. Is this really how things work here?

This involves the "human" aspect of the forum. Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions. This is something that is uncontrollable and is not only limited to Fauna or the BOI.

I forgot I registered here 3 years ago under "bob parr". I don't think I ever posted here.

You did not post as "bob parr" at all. I was not implying that you were trying to be deceitful by registering another user. I was simply stating that you didn't seem to have very much experience with the BOI.

It is not luck that haven't had to use the BOI before. You will be hard pressed to find anyone that I have dealt with personally that would not 100% recommend me to anyone.

I was not implying that you were a scammer or should have your own Bad Guy post. See above whereby I state I was counting on your reputation to get this moving towards resolution. I was implying that you were lucky for never being scammed or "done wrong" where you would need to create a Bad Guy post.

 

[Incredible Geckos]

Ahhhhh. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Durante]

I've decided to chime in again after sleeping on it to clear my head.

I would like to apologize to the OP that he was defrauded out of his animals. I would also like to apologize for the cheap shot I took about sending his animals to some one he didn't know. I was out of line.

Now being that I am involved first hand I have a slightly different perspective on the situation. When I sent a text and talked to Danny I believe he was legitimately surprised about this. How it all happened without his knowledge does sound weird but that is not something for me to explain. I do believe that he should make this right and either send the OP either geckos or the axolotls and I have told Danny this in a text. What he decided to do is out of my control.

What I was most upset about was IF he was innocent all this personal info had been put out there before he had any knowledge about it. I was upset when my name was put on this board and I had absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Also by coming to this board and trying to bringing a different perspective I get called a thief. I believe this same person gave me negative karma and called me a jackass. Now I am a jackass thief for simply trying to defend I guy I know. Is this really how things work here?

I forgot I registered here 3 years ago under "bob parr". I don't think I ever posted here. It is not luck that haven't had to use the BOI before. You will be hard pressed to find anyone that I have dealt with personally that would not 100% recommend me to anyone.

I hope Danny sends the OP what he wants. But I fear even if he does it still will not help. I believe it will be said that he only did it because his name was being drug through the mud here. And even if that is the case it would just be a slight tarnish to his name verses the rust that would happen if he didn't. Me personally would take the tarnish.

Daniel

This sounds more like the type of business or person I would like not to only deal with but run into at our locals shows & say hi to or recommend. When someone you want to see in one light cast themselves on another it sucks. I've had a few good previous translations with certain people where others who also done business with them did not share my success. All you can do is express your dealings but it doesn't change what happened with others. Thanks for clearing your head to actually think the situation over & coming back to share. I know sometimes the BOi can seem like a "witch hunt" or people being cruel but it's not as bad as having to tell your kid the animal they wished for & money you spent is gone. I believe once your old account gets deleted & you continue to be about the animals with good morals you'll continue to grow your reputation & many will see this post & realize everyone makes mistakes but it takes a bigger person to fix those mistakes. I dont think your buddy will have the same experience though. Best of luck.

Bob, has there been any further communication with Mr Heim or updates in getting this issue resolved? I really hope this all works out for you & your experience so far didn't push you to quit pursuing your end goal of getting a crestie.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

What I was most upset about was IF he was innocent all this personal info had been put out there before he had any knowledge about it. I was upset when my name was put on this board and I had absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

It seems harsh but it's effective. It's worked for over a decade on this site and it worked in this thread. Either Bob gets his animals or everyone knows Danny's a thief. If Bob hadn't posted this thread and gotten help from some of the members here I don't think he had any chance of getting his animals.

 

[turtleescape]

The last I spoke to Mr Heim he told me that if I had this thread removed he would send me the 4 axolotls he had there and 1 gecko to replace the other 4. He did say the axolotls were still in the shipping containers so I fear they may not be in very good shape. When I explained that I had requested both by email and on this thread to have it removed and it was not something I could have done he hung up on me.
So I have turned my phone off. There is nothing I can do. I don't know and probably will never know the whole story. To be honest I don't care any more. I dont need the stress of have someone get nasty with me and hang up the phone. At some point in the future I probably will buy my crested from a trusted dealer. Thank you to everyone who tried to help out in this whole ordeal.

 

[ByRandom]

The last I spoke to Mr Heim he told me that if I had this thread removed he would send me the 4 axolotls he had there and 1 gecko to replace the other 4. He did say the axolotls were still in the shipping containers so I fear they may not be in very good shape. When I explained that I had requested both by email and on this thread to have it removed and it was not something I could have done he hung up on me.

Mr. Rouse, does that sound like the Danny you know? If not, perhaps it's time to reevaluate your opinion of him. He shot himself in the foot with this one and left it for the great members of our community to pick up the pieces.

 

[BoaBro]

Honestly this Danny guy does not practice very good business ethics. Im impressed on how long he has been in business for with that kind of integrity. Looks like he's not very good at scamming either...lol . What I have learned about Danny Heim:
1. Bad Business Man
2. Dumb
3. and judging from those initial text messages...: Horrible Gramer. omgsh shoot me

 

[leftycrane]

I don't know where this fits into the whole issue with the animals involved...but I would have suspected something wrong right from the pictures sent. He said they were 8-10 month old geckos...those geckos in the pics are full grown adults. You can even see the male bulge on the first pic, which indicates a gecko that is over 12 grams. No way those are babies. Just my insight.

 

[LauraB]

Totally right, Megan. I looked through Danny's Facebook photo albums a couple days ago. There's nothing there that even compares to those two red Dals. I then tried to extract EXIF date and was unsuccesful.