Fat People

[j tyler]

I just got back from visiting someone in the hospital. The place was crawling with fat slobs. I am sick and tired of grossly obese women wearing shorts and having their thighs rub together. People in this country are constantly complaining about indecency, but I think having to view these people who are ugly and and don't care about themselves is the most indecent thing we are exposed to.

 

[ms_terese]

Interesting that you mentioned only grossly obese "women".

While I find it sad that some people have allowed their health to deteriorate significantly due to a lack of discipline with exercise or food, I think your post indicates a complete ignorance of obesity and its causes.

You should research the genetics of, and the medical and pyschological causes of obesity before passing judgment on all these "ugly" "grossly obese" "fat slobs".

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your sensitivity to others' struggles is of a level I don't believe I've been exposed to before.

And, no, I'm not obese.

 

[j tyler]

Cause of obesity=eating too much. Why don't you see fatties in third world countries?

 

[Seamus Haley]

Cause of obesity=eating too much.

Not always.

Pretty ignorant viewpoint you have there, but I suppose that you're entitled to an opinion. Just don't be surprised if nobody with a brain respects it.

If the physical appearance of others is such a concern for you, perhaps you should consider... not looking at other people and not placing yourself into a situation where you will be able to see others. You really have nobody to blame for looking except yourself.

What DOES bother me when it comes to weight issues (and other health issues... and even some issues which are linked only in what they have become rather than the root cause) is what they have come to represent in modern American society. The very few individuals who start and/or participate in class action lawsuits against fast food companies, alchohol companies, tobacco companies... blaming outside sources for their own problems, THAT bothers me. I really wish for a return to a time when people could do just about anything they wanted if the only one affected was themselves... and they would put the blame squarely where it belongs. In this day and age anyone who doesn't know that fast food isn't healthy, that tobacco can cause cancer (among other things), that coffee is supposed to be hot and that driving while drunk will eventually cause a lot of damage has serious brain injuries and should really get those figured out before suing everyone in sight because they decided to make some poor choices when it came to their own health.

This is really a beef with the ease at which absurd litigation can be undertaken rather than the underlying problems however. I know that my own physical appearance is far enough from the ideal that any criticism of others on that score would simply be hypocritical and idiotic... Much like j tyler's statements have proven to be.

 

[Darin Chappell]

I am a big guy. Too fat for my own good, but not so much so that people stop and stare as I walk down the street.

However, when I was 20, I was rail thin. All the men in my family are "big guys" as far as the eye can see. When I hit 30, all of the exercising I did was no longer good enough. I quit smoking about that same time frame, and gained about 40 pounds seemingly overnight. Do I need to lose weight? Yep. Am I going to do so any time soon? Who knows? Doubtful.

I just have to wonder how many years Mr. Tyler has completed? Perhaps he is one of those who is always going to be thin throughout life, but it has been my experience that we all tend to get that "middle aged spread" sooner or later. Hopefully, Mr. Tyler will have learned a little about not judging others by their outward appearances by then, and he won't have to run into any one else who has not.

 

[Mercer Don]

I feel for the children who are fed fastfood every meal of the day, by their parents, whom are to damn lazy to cook a balanced meal. I feel for the the people with genetic problems who must resort to having their stomachs stapled to restrict food intake or take medications. I pity us "older" folks who must give up, or greatly reduce, our pleasures in life; (Drinking, cheese cake, meat n potatos, etc) just to fit into that 5 year old pair of jeans.

Now, for the "significently over weight" folks, who just don't care about their appearence, and have zero willpower, that is a different story. I have never met a "large" person, who actually enjoyed the way they were. As they are chowing down on their Big Mac w/cheese, extra, extra large fry and diet whatever to drink, they speak of the diet they are going on next week. Quickly, talk changes of where to go after lunch; DQ or that 31 flavors place. Then, off to the grocery store for chips, bon bons and more diet whatever, so they are well stocked for the afternoon soaps and talk shows. My feeling is these folks suffer from a weakness. They see food as a way to escape from lifes troubles. Some drink, some smoke, some find religion. All are means of escaping from the hardship of life, even if only for a moment. Really can't blame anybody but themselves, although they would much rather pass the blame to society or someone else.

Do I enjoy seeing the girl in the half shirt or bikini with rolls a flappin as she walks? Hell no! What about the guy with the belly that hangs down to his knees? Another big hell no! Am I one to judge these folks? HELL NO! Some people are attracted to "large" people. Songs have been written about fat women. Do AC/DC, Frank Zappa, and Queen know something I don't, about "large" love? Bigger the cushion, better the pushin? I wont be diving in with a 2x4 strapped to my a$$ anytime soon!

 

[Reptile Locators]

Obesity some causes!

Their are many causes for "Obesity"

1) Uncontrolable thyroid gland
which it not always controlable with med's.

2) Deperssion. can cause it,the med's used to treat it as well can cause weight gain.

3) Diabetics can have uncontroled weight gain, even being responcable with all health care to their self.

4) Pear Pressure from children / adults constantly picking at you in school,or the work place just be cause they are judgmental moraless or valueless or holeyer than thou, which can bring on the onset of turning to food or causing depression, Cause. case and point this one can leads to Obesity and in some cases Suicide! you Know the "words of hate" fat girl/boy ugly girl /boy you smell,you stink,your a slob, which are some of the more mileder used words. usualy the people making these remarks are not happy in their own life.

Their are many more reason for Obesity than i know of, but i can tell you i have personaly delt with the loss of my father due to Obesity, He was no SLOB! i grew up with being aroud the public gaucking crud and hatefull remarks and even being beat up by kids because my fathers Obesity just be cause of the common attitude and mentality of crule people. My father died from it because of a thyroid problem that led to other health problems at a young age of 49 yrs of age, even though being treated by doctors for this condition.
I my self do not consider me to be the perfict weight and am most lilkly 40 -50 lbs over what i should be,althoe at the age of 20, I was only 140 lbs soakin wet. but as years and age would have it that is no longer the case
Passing judgement on a person because they offend you with their weight,looks or handicap just showes a lack of moral values and consideration for others not knowing if their problem is medical or other wise

so someone who feel's Obesity is disgusting and dont want to see it should step back and ask them selves this question what if it were my father, mother, brother,sister, Child or even your self would you call them a slob and be offended or try to understand and be concerned and try to help them as much as possible to change what the cause might be think about it talk about it but dont condem a person it till you know the facts.
someone you love may have this kind of problem and who knows they my be here for the next 20 yrs or gone tomorrow you never know.

This is only my opinion and i hope it would be taken to heart for the next time someone who sees obesity and shearly concludes
that they are just slobs

 

[KelliH]

Passing judgement on a person because they offend you with their weight,looks or handicap just showes a lack of moral values and consideration for others

I totally agree with that. Judge people by what they are on the inside, not on the outside. I would be MUCH more offended by a skinny person that acts like an ass and treats people like crap than a fat person that is nice. My mother raised me to judge people by the content of their character, not the way they look. My kids are taught the same thing. That's the way it should be, IMO

 

[Sybella]

Don't forget that women are naturally set up to gain and maintain weight for childbearing, as well as for periods of famine. Unfortunately, our bodies don't listen when we insist that we don't need the extra help anymore! LOL! But, keep in mind that just using birth control, having babies, etc. can add on the poundage like nothing else can. Men have it easy!!

I was a teeny-tiny thing until I had my first child. I have 3 children now and with every one, my metabolism goes on hiatus for 5-6 years. I cannot lose ANY weight until that period has passed. The most frustrating part is that I don't eat. I starve myself and have been doing so for years. A typical day for me is coffee for breakfast, 2 pieces of toast for lunch and a small plate of vegetarian food for dinner. When I do eat like a "normal" person rather than a bird, anything more than 1000kcal a day makes me gain weight. According to the books, a 5' 4" woman should be eating 12-1400 kcals a day but *I* cannot. I watch smaller people than me eat 4 times as much food as I do and stay thin...it's entirely unfair. LOL!

I used to be less compassionate about obesity but now that I've had to struggle for so long, I understand. Things are almost never as "easy" as they appear to be. I hope that you never have to struggle, Tyler.

 

[j tyler]

How can you possilbly not judge someone by their looks? Looks are an intrinsic part of you. It makes no sense to suppose that there is a 'special' character tucked away some place that should be the only thing you judge people by. Further more just because someone is a good person does not entail that you should like them. Lots of good people may have no personality etc.There are also 'bad' people that we may value highly. For instance the really great artist who happens to be nasty towards his peers and family.

If you are in a public space and there are, say 25 people, and you are told to pick one to meet and that you will have to spend a great deal of time with that person, and that you only have 30 min. to determine who to choose, which person will you opt for?
I would say: since you don't have enough time to get to know the people in the selection group choose the one you think is most attractive. I assume everyone is a good character until proven otherwise, therefore I will make an initial choice based on looks.
The same in "real life". It takes a long time to get to 'know' someone; therefore make your initial choice based on looks and hope for the best.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Wow. That's a really, very shallow perspective on people. I have to say I feel rather sorry for you. That's a tough way to go through life, whether you realize it yet or not,

 

[j tyler]

Darin,
What would be your alternative ? I presented a system that, assuming all things being equal, suggests you pick the person you find most attractive. What would you do under those circumstances? Intintionally pick the individual who is least appealing to you? Mind you also, a preference tool may be superficial, but it may also produce the best results.

 

[Darin Chappell]

My alternative would be to try to form impressions on some facet of human existance beyond physical attraction. There are so many people with whom I come into contact on a daily basis in my business, and many of them are less than "Hollywood types" in appearance. However, if I look for the good qualities, there are things about each of us that can be "attractive" without appealing to a sense of physical acceptance.

I realize that we are all drawn to certain "types" of individuals by their appearances. That is why it is rare to see unattractive politicians and the like. However, that is a portion of human behavior that might be best avoided, rather than wallowed in. At least, in my opinion.

You are certainly entitled to my opinion, but you really cannot be surprised to learn that a majority of older people disagree with your assessment. What you have to decide is if we are biased toward our opinions because we are all fighting the middle aged spread, or are you biased toward your perspective due to youth/inexperience/a lack of maturity or whatever else may be the case.

Don't get me wrong. We all have biases, but the trick is to recognize the good in people in spite of our biases, not according to them as if they served as any true standard of judgment.

 

[om kalthoum]

Hello James Tyler -

Will you please post a full body photograph of yourself? Also, if your girlfriend or boyfriend agrees, would you please post a photo of that person also?

Just for the sport of it, I’m guessing you are not married and that you are between the ages of 15 and 25, but I could be wrong!

Thank you.

 

[DThomas]

However, when I was 20, I was rail thin. All the men in my family are "big guys" as far as the eye can see. When I hit 30, all of the exercising I did was no longer good enough. I quit smoking about that same time frame, and gained about 40 pounds seemingly overnight. Do I need to lose weight? Yep. Am I going to do so any time soon? Who knows? Doubtful.

Darin, I can totally relate. When I was 20, I came out of Marine Corps boot camp after three months weighing just 155lbs at 5'10". Now at 32 almost 33, I hover between 190 and 200lbs and nothing I do seems to help. It's life, and probably genetic.

j tyler = Ever see the movie Shallow Hal? You are destined for a lonely, miserable life with that attitude.

My wife is only 5'4" and was very petite when I met her. When she was pregenant, she gained almost 50lbs. It did not matter one bit to me. I was never more in love with her or attracted to her than during that time. I guess its the pregnant thing.. She lost all the weight and more in less than a year. She actually weighed less than when I first met her. Did it matter? Nope. She could have kept it all on and it wouldn't have changed the way I felt and still do for her. You need to look beyond the superficial and look at/find what really matters.

 

[Sybella]

Darin, Dennis...you two are wonderful! How come all the good ones are already married?? LOL!

On a lighter note, I'm still trying to figure out what I was saying while that picture was snapped...That was the only one I had that was of me standing, full body, and of course, I've got a stupid expression on my face. LOL!! The way my retic wanted to go this way and that, I could have been saying anything!

I too am looking forward to seeing your picture, Tyler.

 

[j tyler]

I would post a pic, but you people would'nt want to judge someone by their appearence would you? So why bother?

 

[ms_terese]

I would post a pic, but you people would'nt want to judge someone by their appearence would you? So why bother?

Possibly there are other people that share your opinion on the importance of physical appearance, and you wouldn't want to deprive them of the opportunity to comment on yours, would you?

 

[Python Dreams]

Their are many sides to this argument. Their definitely are some factors that could lead to someone being obese such as thyroid problems, etc... But I have to say that I see so many people that are extremely obese or just even slightly heavy that are downing all sorts of food at McDonalds and topping it off with a diet Coke. Even as far as diabetics, isn't it generally the diet that leads people to this medical problem? And as far as doing everything you can to lose weight, some how I doubt it. Since the human body actually works best and is most healthy in a state of slight hunger (never eating to fullness), and working out would be very prevalent to maintaining a good figure, I would like to know what your diets are? You would like to see a pic of Tyler so we can decide and judge him, well I would like to know exactly what everyone here has been doing to slim down. It is very easy to place blame on outside factors other than ones own life for the blame. Even babies in tests have shown a preference for those who are easier on the eye, its genetic. With nothing else but your eyesight to judge a person, you can make some assumptions. IF someone is extremely overweight they probably (excluding certain medical conditions) are an out of control, non-disciplined, individual that is not happy and dealing with food to make up for it. I would place them in the same class as drug addicts or alcoholics. To look at it is also very unnatractive and to be honest sometimes just downright disgusting. BUt I do not believe that anyone for any reason should be made fun of or pointed out in public, but they also shouldnt expect people to see past their lack of control, similar to the man you avoid due to all the track marks on his arm.
Tom Baker

 

[TurtleManiac24]

In no way am I HUGE, but I have always been rail thin. Then I made the mistake of going to Cancun where I was drugged and, well, let's just say things got ugly. I am now on medication to help me deal with the post-traumatic stress and anxiety, and it has increased my appetite a great deal. I am hoping to decrease the amount of meds once I graduate but I am sick of people who judge a book by its cover. Get a clue. People all have a different history. Give em a break.