Fauna, the BOI, and Favouritism...

[Chris@TSE]

"my knowledge and experience is extreemely valuable, why should I pay to give something away that I get paid for?"

Perhaps because you're a decent person, perhaps because it cuts down on the amount of innacurate husbandry practices and assists our hobby, and in turn your business. Perhaps because you're not a selfish person. Perhaps to show that you're in this field for more than personal gain....... I could go on forever. Nevertheless you've made yourself PERFECTLY clear.

The fact is no one is asking you to give anything away. In fact the DISCUSSION forums are not restricted to paying members. They are free, you can assist and discuss anything you like free of charge. Do NOT try to sit here and play the "I should not have to pay to provide information I get paid for" card. Its bull****.

 

[Chris@TSE]

*discussion forums are not restricted to NON paying members, damn typos

 

[critical bill]

and that bill may want to give consideration to just whose wife and friend he was insulting in such fashion.

One buddy to another right? You refer to me as "bill" when my name is Chuck. Is that a good buddy? You ask for consideration and you dont know my name.

So what do you really mean wilomn? Are you advising me to be considerate?

 

[Rebel Dragons]

Wow, sounds like a statement from a "lady of the evening" in HBO episode I watched once...Hookers On The Point.

What exactly is your definition of a "lady of the evening" Chuck?

Say Wendy, if someone begged long enough would you give them a freebie? It worked in the show.

I have to admit I got the same impression as Wendy and her husband on this post. You say you meant "whore" in a different definition as one usually thinks but combined with the "lady of the evening" comments it certainly seems that you meant it as it's street definition.

Just the way I perceived it..............

 

[Chris@TSE]

This may be "HELL" but any inuendo or harmful statements along those lines are not needed....... There is a fine line to be crossed and I can honestly say you're skipping along it. Lets not stray TOO much off-topic here. I was not very happy to read her comments either but I think heading in THAT direction is just a bit wrong, not to mention uncalled for. JMO

 

[Rebel Dragons]

You know I wasn't going to say anything about it until I reread the last few pages. And then I ignored it again but it just festered.....

Chuck, I know you have your own style of writing but I do believe you went too far with the comments directed about Wendy. I would freak if someone said that about someone I loved. Even if they did claim to mean it "in another way". Your entitled to your own opinion as well as everyone else Chuck, but damn, that was harsh..........

 

[critical bill]

What exactly is your definition of a "lady of the evening" Chuck?

Youre 26 and your asking me? Lets see....in the episode I watched, the "lady of the evening" was a street hooker named Cheryl. So.....there ya have it.

If you read my previous post you would see the definition of the word WHORE defined and as I meant it to Wendy.

Here it is again....

"A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain."

You say you meant "whore" in a different definition as one usually thinks.

Well then if youve read what I meant by definition of the word whore directed toward Wendy why are you asking me what my defintion of the word is?

but combined with the "lady of the evening".

I looked back and I cant find where I combined the word whore with lady of the evening in my original post.

If you go back and read the post again you'll see that I never said Wendy is a whore. I said that her "no pay, no play" attitude KIND OF sounded like a statement a "lady of the evening" had made on a tv show I was watching.

Just the way I perceived it..............

And are you satisfied with the clarification on my part? If I need to explain it again I'll have to charge you Mike. My time is money.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

Wow, sounds like a statement from a "lady of the evening" in HBO episode I watched once...Hookers On The Point.

Say Wendy, if someone begged long enough would you give them a freebie? It worked in the show.

Youre 26 and your asking me? Lets see....in the episode I watched, the "lady of the evening" was a street hooker named Cheryl. So.....there ya have it.

If you read my previous post you would see the definition of the word WHORE defined and as I meant it to Wendy.

Here it is again....

"A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain."



Well then if youve read what I meant by definition of the word whore directed toward Wendy why are you asking me what my defintion of the word is?




I looked back and I cant find where I combined the word whore with lady of the evening in my original post.

If you go back and read the post again you'll see that I never said Wendy is a whore. I said that her "no pay, no play" attitude KIND OF sounded like a statement a "lady of the evening" had made on a tv show I was watching.

And are you satisfied with the clarification on my part? If I need to explain it again I'll have to charge you Mike. My time is money.

Come on Chuck, who the hell ya tryin to fool? Your a master at typing open ended statements such as the ones above.

Look at the statement I typed and insert your perception here_____________________.

I admit your very good at open ended writing. One of the best I have seen. But in the end the only reason people tend to write that way is so they have a safety net if someone calls them on it.

You can claim other definitions all you want but I ain't buyin it. And I don't think anyone else is either.

And are you satisfied with the clarification on my part? If I need to explain it again I'll have to charge you Mike. My time is money.

I guess you will just have to bill me...............

 

[critical bill]

You know I wasn't going to say anything about it until I reread the last few pages. And then I ignored it again but it just festered.....

Well this is probably more important for you to touch on than posting the typical "whew" one liner crap to raise a post count eh Mike?

Festered? I just posted a few minutes ago to clarify again what I meant and with one clear definition of the word. Let me say that no where does the word WHORE like youre thinking of it fit in any way shape or form in my reply to Wendy. How I meant that word is the only way it could fit. That word is used OFTEN in this industry as well as many others and not to describe a prostitute. I am not some ****ing tard that for no reason would attack a womens character by calling her a whore in the sense youre thinking of.

Chuck, I know you have your own style of writing but I do believe you went too far with the comments directed about Wendy.

Well I guess that my tough luck and something I'll have to learn to live with. I think as Rich would say...once its here it here to stay. I know what I meant and I wouldnt have posted it if I meant it any other way.

I would freak if someone said that about someone I loved.

Gee, I would ask the person what they meant. If you had a brother named Richard and I called him Dick would I have to worry about you driving your horse and buggy down from amish town to kick my ass? You would freak without first asking me why I called him that? Simple explinations is what Ive provided here along with concrete proof in the form of a verifiable defintion.

Your entitled to your own opinion as well as everyone else Chuck, but damn, that was harsh..........

Harsh if you think of it in the sense you are, but 100% accurate in the terms it was applied.

Heres a link to the definition online so you dont think I made it up...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=whore

Now you tell me where definitions line 1 or 2 would fit in anywhere with what Wendy said and which prompted my remark. It doesnt.

 

[critical bill]

Come on Chuck, who the hell ya tryin to fool?

Ya got me Mike.

Your a master at typing open ended statements such as the ones above.

Really? Well I just want to say that........

Look at the statement I typed and insert your perception here_____________________.

That is your first freebie my friend and one that I could have had a great deal of fun with in HELL. But, its Sunday, and I'm feeling religious. I will never give you this opprotunity again so dont try and be a wise guy with me. I've got sneakers older than you.

I admit your very good at open ended writing. One of the best I have seen. But in the end the only reason people tend to write that way is so they have a safety net if someone calls them on it.

Call me on it Mike. You got the linked definition to the word I used.

I'll admitt you suck at writing. I visualize you as a bobble head doll agreeing with just about anything and everything there is to agree on. Is your safety net not posting anything remotely controversial that would spark a debate that would require you to defend yourself? Some of your greatest contributions consisted of just one word, "whew". One whole big ****ing word my man. I just cant wait for your next great contribution. What will the word be next time? "ouch". Whoops I think you may have written that one too!

I would say it should be "WHORE" seeing as though you learned its few definitions and how they can be applied from me.

You can claim other definitions all you want but I ain't buyin it.

Was I trying to convince you Mike? Nope. I served you my explination and a definition to back my stated explination. If you thik we had something more than this sweetcakes your mistaken. Youre nothing more than morning amusement right now. My eggs are cooking lest you'd be back to posting one word at a time like "Yup" and "Agreed".

And I don't think anyone else is either.

I think that may be where your psychic abilities end Mike. Ive actually received fan mail for what Ive said and both positive and negative reputation points.

I'm not here to collect points for reputation or boost my post counts, I dont even collect and save Marlboro miles.

I guess you will just have to bill me...............

Youre charity case Mike, Its on me. Hey, like the lisence plates say..."youve got a friend in PA". That is unless youre being flipped over the car in which it might be all be upside down and look like this... "AP ni dneirf a tog evouy". I wouldnt consider that a friend at all.

 

[Wilomn]

One buddy to another right? You refer to me as "bill" when my name is Chuck. Is that a good buddy? You ask for consideration and you dont know my name.

So what do you really mean wilomn? Are you advising me to be considerate?

Well chucky, I simply didn't look to see that your handle was different from your name. Hope that's simple enough that even you can understand where I got the idea that bill was your name.

Were I to advise you I would simply say something, simple to be sure of your comprehension and retention, along the lines of, '' when you INFER that a woman is a whore you MAY get reaction you did not expect" or " if you're looking to be a dumbass, this is a good avenue to travel"

We both know that you were implying that she was a whore for wanting to be paid for doing what she does for a living. I would have let it go as simple bad taste but it "festered" and since Dan and Wendy are friends, I've got Dan's back, so to speak.

Had you spoken so of my woman I'd have been quite unpleasant.

You can keep going down the dumbass road, NOW saying that you said she was LIKE the woman on the show, but we know better, don't we chucky?

Ya screwed up, ya know it, now your panties are in a knot.

Say you're sorry to the nice lady little boy and all will be forgiven. I think.

 

[cthulhu77]

You are much more understanding than I am Wes...I think that apology should be made while holding his bloody nose with a rag...

CB...what were you thinking????? Especially trying to explain it all away under some guise of what the "dictionary" says??? Uh, it doesn't matter what the word means to YOU, it is how it is INTERPRETED...writing is, after all, a method of communication.

greg

 

[DAND]

chuck,

Using the word "Whore" when referring to a lady (regardless of your claim of it's meaning) is disrespectful and shows how much of an uncouth prick you are. You not only owe Wendy an apology but Dan as well.

 

[Lucille]

I think we should ALL stop RIGHT here and have apologies all around. It is EASY in Hell to back yourself into a corner where the only way you see out is to fight; IMHO that is almost never the case.

There is no doubt in my mind that Wendy is NOT a whore. I believe she is owed an apology for being called such; Chuck, as they say in the Nike ads, 'just do it'.

I believe Daniel made an uncalled-for response to me in another thread and for that I believe I am owed an apology; I think it far better for Daniel and I to open a dialogue where we can resolve our differences in a positive way.

I personally think that for all the work Webslave puts into this place he is owed a vote of gratitude, and without losing face I think that any of us here would agree that he goes out of his way to make a fine site for us. I personally believe he has a right to expect something back in the way of financial support, not to mention screening out people who are even more willing to get into it than we are, but this post is NOT meant to invoke another debate of that nature.

I am willing to hold forth the olive branch here but I need others to meet me half way. Let's make our apologies to those who we need to apologize to, and not let false pride bring us down. It is Sunday, the day of our Lord, and I invoke His name in asking that all of you join me in the name of peace.

Let me begin:

Daniel and Wendy, I would be friends with you. Let us not burn our bridges here, let us instead put aside our differences and agree to learn from each other, that we may help each other, and Fauna, be the best it can be.

All I can do is hold forth the olive branch and ask that the rest of y'all take it; the rest is up to you.
Anyone?

 

[WebSlave]

Regardless of what words are used, what context, and where they are posted (HELL, for instance), implied or actual PHYSICAL threats are just not going to be tolerated on this site. You may consider this as a "go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200" error in judgement and tactlessness.

I hope we are clear on this point.

 

[cthulhu77]

Yes, "clique" master...(good one on your av)

Lucille, you have a great point, although I am not christian...(and I have to work today, hang it all )

'sides...I LOOOOOVVE olives !!

consider it done, on my end at least...

greg

 

[critical bill]

chuck,

Using the word "Whore" when referring to a lady (regardless of your claim of it's meaning) is disrespectful and shows how much of an uncouth prick you are. You not only owe Wendy an apology but Dan as well.

Her actions were that of a word I admitt was in my poor choice but the definition was on the money what I was aiming at.

Thanks for the prick comment. I've been called a hard on so long I started signing checks that way.

So you think a sorry is in order? Should I be sorry that the word, in its definiton, and as I used it, was used to describe a person who would put the animals well being last because it didnt flip them a profit? I answer calls at night and I dont ask anyone for credit card numbers before helping them out.

So, I owe an apology to a couple that tells anyone who didnt purchase an animal through them to whistle dixie for information that could be essential to the animals immediate well being unless of course they have a mastercard to swipe for a consultation fee?

Were you ever 15 years old once? I was. I had money from odd jobs but on occasion I would shop for better prices while still picking the minds of experienced shop owners. I've never been charged. Have you been charged simply walking into a pet store for advice from knowledgeable folk? Maybe with more knowledge than than the guy who sold the snake to you at a cheaper cost? What would you call the guy as you walked out the door after he refused to help you out by answering a few of your questions? Would you call him prick. Maybe take down a display rack on my way out?

But I'm the prick in this thread because I used a word with a clear definition of what I what I was aiming for.

Do you condone a charge for a care sheet? Is that what we'll be doing in the industry next? Charging for the ink on the packing slip included in the order box?

 

[Lucille]

Chuck, I am asking that you de escalate this thread, with me. I am a sharer of info and a helper of people, as a nurse it is built in, I guess.

Let's just apologize, shake hands, and go our ways; if the Ws have a different take on life, so be it; let them be, there are citizens of Fauna as well as we are.

and Chuck, if you know much about boas you are welcome to help me out in my new enterprise, send me an email.

Please.

 

[critical bill]

Say you're sorry to the nice lady little boy and all will be forgiven. I think.

Please Wes, that aint going to happen. I used the word the way I meant it and I took plenty of time explain myself. If I said it as she was whore in the sex sense you would have every right to demand an apology for your friend and his wife. I did not use it that way and I would never use it that way. If that puts you or Dan or both in a postition for discussions with me down the road thats fine.

 

[Karen Hulvey]

Were you ever 15 years old once? I was. I had money from odd jobs but on occasion I would shop for better prices while still picking the minds of experienced shop owners. I've never been charged.

Do you condone a charge for a care sheet? Is that what we'll be doing in the industry next? Charging for the ink on the packing slip included in the order box?

Umm the people who walk in to our store asking questions about the animal they purchased elsewhere have never been 15 y/o or younger. It's adults 100% of the time. Of course I've only been doing this for 5 years so what do I know? If these people would simply state that they have _________ animal and then ask the care requirements, it would be no problem for me. I don't ask them where they got the animal. I talk to hundreds of people every single day and give out tons of care requirements. But most proudly state that they bought __________ animal for $____ at the other pet store and saved $___ and our animal costed more. Golly that makes me want to warm right up to the idiots.

Most of the time when someone asks about how much to feed an animal they contradict me. One lady asked about how much to feed a WTF. She bought it at Petsmart. They told her to feed it 1 cricket a week or it would get fat. I agreed that obesity in WTFs was a problem but 1 cricket a week is a starvation diet. She said she has had this frog for a month and it's doing well. She simply would not listen and then tried to buy 1 cricket! So why did she ask how much to feed one?

As for care sheets. Those are for people who can read and comprehend. Apparently most people can't do that. They call back and ask the exact same questions that were already addressed in detail before they left the store. The info is on the care sheet. I've told numerous people to read the care sheet, it's all there. But they still call. There is this one guy who bought a bearded dragon last summer. He is a firefighter (scary to me). EVERY time he comes in (once a week) he asks the same stupid questions. "Now if I buy 3 dozen crickets and 3 dozen superworms should I just give him 6 superworms today and then 6 crix tomorrow?" "Or should I just give him a few worms and crickets today and then superworms only tomorrow?" "Or should I just give him a salad and crix today and then superworms tomorrow?" It's maddening. How hard is it to feed that animal. He has been doing this for almost a YEAR now. This guy is a complete moron and he's a firefighter. SCARY! ("Do I aim the water at the fire or just close to it?") He has a care sheet too.

And how about all the calls about the reptiles people pick up off the highway? That's anothet matter in itself but it still takes up a large amount of time with people trying to have you identify what kind of snake or turtle they found over the phone. I tell every single one of them to bring it in for identification.

So I can see where people will have to pick and choose who they are going to give out info to. It's sad to say that but there is only so much time in the day and a paying customer does outweigh someone who bought something elsewhere. I've always answered the firefighter's stupid questions!