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Fauna, the BOI, and Favouritism...

Tosha was right about one thing

You do need to take alot of the things said here with a grain of salt. And she was also right about another thing, though the BOI can be a useful tool, I rarely have met another breeder in person who doesn't cringe when you mention thi sboard. Why? Because its brutal, and often unfair. It can be useful, you just have to know how to read between the lines.

S~
 
it seems to be a joke amoung some of the "reputable breeders"
honestly do you actually know any large breeders?
two of the largest cornsnake breeders are here.... a few large ball python breeders reside here... and numerous big breeders of geckos rerside here as well.... so whom do personallu know that is a big breeder and does not come here?


ok and maybe you got 25 years experience with balls but i doubt the python kind
 
Reading between the lines is not a must here as some people are very blunt..cough*ROBIN*cough but it does come in helpful. Yes you have to take some stuff with a grain of salt. Once again the BOI is what you make of it. For every one person that is treated brutally, many more are givin kudos. Basically if you screw up prepared to be bit by the BOI. If you do good business and treat your customers well. You will have nothing to worry about.

Sorry Robin couldn't resist......... :rofl:
 
robin s. said:
honestly do you actually know any large breeders?
two of the largest cornsnake breeders are here.... a few large ball python breeders reside here... and numerous big breeders of geckos rerside here as well.... so whom do personallu know that is a big breeder and does not come here?


ok and maybe you got 25 years experience with balls but i doubt the python kind


The top bearded dragon breeders frequent this site frequently. Although they may post rarely the "big dogs" are HERE.
 
I see big breeders here all the time

That could be another reason she hangs out at Kingsnake forums so much!

Big namers are almost always on that site showing of there Killer animals...
Mabey 25 years has made her think she is on the same level as those breeders! With all 18 Normals she owns...

Someday when Normals are the New MORPH, Tosh is gonna make a killing..
Antways I see Nerd here every morning damn near! And I am for sure that they are at the very least in the top 5 for Ball python Breeding!

Mabey you should check out there site Tosh! They will show you what a few years in the Buisness looks like...And if they say it is just a hobby of there's, then you should have supassed them years ago!

Isaac-------->By the way! I am no were near the size of any Big time breeder ..BUT soon I will be up in the rankings..1 yaer in the buisness/Hobby for me!
 
ToshaMc said:
Does the BOI work - IMO no, in fact it seems to be a joke amoung some of the "reputable breeders" nothing more than a punchline. Funny how you never see the big guys here huh.

Tosha McClintock

Oh most of them are here, for certain. And you know what else? ALL of the big breeders and dealers of tomorrow are here as well. Because where else can they get as much exposure and good press as they can here? This is the teething ring of all the "big dogs" in this industry, right here, right now.

The BOI just doesn't knock around the bad guys. It also gives the good guys the absolute best leg up that they can get anywhere on the web. In my humble opinion, of course. :hehe:
 
WebSlave said:
Oh most of them are here, for certain. And you know what else? ALL of the big breeders and dealers of tomorrow are here as well. Because where else can they get as much exposure and good press as they can here? This is the teething ring of all the "big dogs" in this industry, right here, right now.

aww rich that was so sweet i dont want to be a "big dog" ... but i would settle for a slightly chunky lab pup or a pom... they think they are big but arent but sure got allot of attitude
 
Big Dawgs?I musta missed something.This site seems to be frequented by whiney little upsate New York wannabees and even more so those that simply cant play nice.Just because you bought a $1200 leopard gecko hardly convinces everyone you ar a force to be wreckoned with.We all make mistakes.These threads are getting more funny by the minute.I kind of thought this discussion might go a little like this:

"It would seem to me that some spew is put in check by Admin whereas some spew largely connected to the "Endowment" badge goes unchecked".
I never thought it would be a conversation of a few trying to get thier rocks off at the expense of others.I have read sidelines of Rep Power,Trader ratings,and who got the biggest mouth.

"Where did you get the Mack Snow?" How many times did we read this little spew until one of realized that in America,it just might be either NUNYADAMNBIDNIS,or believe it or not,just spew.Protecting ones investment,gimme a break.Hey Bruce,did you drop large on that albino sulcata because of the investment potential,or was it because you liked it?I think I know the answer.

This site is hitting the tubes quick if leashes aren't put into place.There has to be something said for courtesy delivered on a fundamental level.Nobody seems to want to say the name Chris Johnson,so I will.This guy kills me.He kisses ass on every sale to get his buyers to post here,than is a total prick to anyone he competes with.I wonder if his new buyers look here first to see "it was a pleasure taking your money" over and over and over again.

He might be a decent reseller,but in the dog eat dog world of reptile dealing,he is pretty much the norm.Even when you get a quality,caring breeder to post on anythig,they soon realize it is easier to wholesale out their offspring and avoid the politics.

This site needs direction,as well as moderation.Rich,why do you put up with half the crap you do?This site seems to be torn between a lawsuit waiting to happen and total stupidity.Whatever happened to firsthand information and no information without documtatation?It just seems to me that anything goes,rudeness rules,and the original intent of BOI is gone by the wayside.

Since when does pic stealing go BOI instead of Webwatch?Whatever happened to no deal is not a bad deal,it is just no deal?Why are there topics about poor care info on the BOI?

I always thought the BOI was a place to report either a good,happy,dun what it was supposed to do deal or a bad."X took my green,and my animal either is sick,or was never delivered"deal.Not poor shipping practices,krept upon pics,bad care info,someone was able to buy a critter that was blacklisted,Conneticut is too cold for Sulcatas in the winter.

I realize Fauna was at one time the number one reptile site out,but it is slipping.The cash thing doesn't bother me,I ponied up my $25 for the priveledge of being here.But I feel the need to say these things.I spend way too much time reading.I know who my friends are,and I know who I dislike.

I just think it is funny that a few people get to behave the way they want with what appears publicly as no apparent recourse.

And who am I?Just a small time turtle breeder in sunny South Florida,as well as a poor white man trying to keep his dick hard in a cruel and harsh society.Did I pay $25 so I could say that?

Rich,you tell me?

The natives are restless as to where BOI is headed,a playground for the not so Rich and famous?or beer drinkin',spew streaming web junkies?

Not sure,but if vendorX isa wanting to sell me a $800 Podocnemis,and I come here.I would really like to take a pass on 121 replies on how he once pissed on an electric fence on private property,in 1982,in Orchard Park,New York.I would really be looking to see if anyone bought stuff from him before.Was it nice?Very nice,were there two of them to give it that "two tier" effect?

Either way,rutheless enforcement of the rules?,nah,screw it,why bother.But don't bullies rule th playground?

Andrew Sury
 
huh

things that make you go hmmm.....

I think that you are correct in your post andy. Dont know if you remember me, I met you a few times at some of the west palm shows.

My feelings are this, I think that some of us who have been here a while can sit back and see that the site is in a hectic state.....but is that a bad thing???

Absolutely not. I think you will see things sort themselves out. Especially with the paid subscriptions. While initially a select few may feel that they are "higher up" than others, they will soon see that that is not the case.

I guess only time will tell.

TOM
 
sorry forgot....

turtlepimp said:
Nobody seems to want to say the name Chris Johnson,so I will.This guy kills me.He kisses ass on every sale to get his buyers to post here,than is a total prick to anyone he competes with.I wonder if his new buyers look here first to see "it was a pleasure taking your money" over and over and over again.

I gotta say here, that maybe this is what the industry needs....some dealers that kiss the ass of their customers. I mean, what can be wrong with trying to make your customer happy....I realize that this isn't the only point of your post, but I have to admit that I ask people to say something if they would like to to help me out and maybe get me some more customers...thats the nature of the business.

TOM
 
"Oh most of them are here, for certain. And you know what else? ALL of the big breeders and dealers of tomorrow are here as well. Because where else can they get as much exposure and good press as they can here? This is the teething ring of all the "big dogs" in this industry, right here, right now.

The BOI just doesn't knock around the bad guys. It also gives the good guys the absolute best leg up that they can get anywhere on the web. In my humble opinion, of course. "


I don't want to sound like a rear end kisser, but that was very well said, and I agree 100%
 
I will say this

The BOI is certainly a humbling place...and I have yet to see someone be able to bull**** their way through this place yet.
TOM
 
I agree

Zoo Supply said:
I gotta say here, that maybe this is what the industry needs....some dealers that kiss the ass of their customers. I mean, what can be wrong with trying to make your customer happy....I realize that this isn't the only point of your post, but I have to admit that I ask people to say something if they would like to to help me out and maybe get me some more customers...thats the nature of the business.

TOM


Golden rule is to make the customer happy! PRep points and trader Rating points are here for a reason.. No reason to push people to give you points..If they do they do.. I have givin people points! people have givin me points.. I have even asked people if they knew how to do the points thing, in order to benifit us both!

I AM SUPER KIND AND HELPFULL to each and every person who asks me a question or buys things from me! Thats how buisnesses are made! Kindness! and help from others...The BOI IS A GREAT PLACE TO COME! And very very usefull, If you don't want the so called bullies to CRACK down on you'' Don't SCAM! and definetly don't try and put your 2 cents in if you absolutely don't have a clue!

Thats why people such as Tosh have a hard time! They use this forum as a growing point! Move on to another were they have Brown nosed everyone! Then come back here and talk $hit about this site!

What a growing proccess! And such a good help! If you want to talk $hit say it to the wall!!!!!especially if you don't want us talking back!!!!

Isaac
 
Good pick up, Isaac.
ToshaMc said:
I'm well aware of ball pythons feeding habits I've been rasing them for 25 years.
and from 1/17/2005 on KS
ToshaMc said:
1. Does anyone have a copy of Dr. Seward's Ball Python Breeding video they could lend me, I'll be happy to pay for any shipping, I would just like to look at it before actually buying it. Does it include how to sex a snake, I've seen it done but it's been a while. Can anyone recommed any other videos that they like.

2. Does/Has anyone ever let a snake incubate (?) her own eggs or does everyone remove them from the mom and put them in incubators? Is there a better success rate if they are in incubators?

3. I have 1.1 that are currently housed together. I was planning on separating them next year before they were able to breed. But if I don't cool them, is there a chance they won't breed.

I'm not actually going to start breeding until next season, my girls aren't arriving until the end of the week and my boys I won't be picking out for a couple more months. I'm sure that a lot of other questions will come up between now and then. Which reminds me:

4. Can anyone share their quarantine set up.

Thanks!
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Tosha
OUTED, eh Tosha? Either you're a liar or you've had a very unsuccessful 25 years. :rofl: :rofl: :slamit: :raspberry
 
turtlepimp said:
Nobody seems to want to say the name Chris Johnson,so I will.This guy kills me.He kisses a$$ on every sale to get his buyers to post here,than is a total prick to anyone he competes with.
Andrew Sury

Damn, who pissed in your wheaties?

You know what, as a buyer I want the seller to kiss my a$$. He is getting my money and it makes me feel good to be wined and dined and little. Just like when you buy a new car, the car salesman will do ANYTHING to make the sale. WHY ???? Because it is his job to make the purchaser HAPPY!!!! I kiss the a$$ of my buyers. Why, because I want to make them happy. For me at this point the money is moot. I don't even break even at the end of breeding season. Many people don't, but every year they make sure to moisturize their lips in preperation for the new a$$ kissing season to come.
 
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