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first time Hogg Island Boa Breeder

Maybe some good will come of it. Maybe I can just keep the babies and see what I can make out of them.
I just enjoy animals and love how these two snakes look. The coloring they have is so gorgeous. If no one else wanted these, I'd keep them because I enjoy how they look. Maybe I'll get a surprise with a baby that pops out.
 
those of us that try to preserve true hog isle locality boas (yes, it is a locality of BCi, not a subspecies) do our best to ensure the lines are 'pure' hog. You have to trust the person you buy from and get as much history/generational information you can get.
It's a hobby for most of us as well : )
 
A mutt may show majority of hog gene's but could still carry that red tail gene. Also if they were crosses with red tails wouldn't they be much larger? These two are quite small, about the same exact size as hogs.
 
Colombian red tails can be as small as 4' and as large as 11' (reportedly) when adults. Your boas appear to be the same build and length of a pretty typical Colombian boa.

Hog Islands can exceed 6', but 6' is pretty typical.

I know you really, really want these animals to be Hog or mostly Hog, but they simply are not. I'm sorry, but they are not.
 
You yourself could have a nice looking mutt since you are relying on someone who may be trying to make a quick buck with a lie. It's not hard, so all I am saying is how do you find out 100% for sure?
And can you ever really trust the person giving you this info?

Sorry, not trying to be rude in any way. I'm just trying to figure out what I can do with these snakes now. Regardless I'll have babies. I just need to know what route would be the best. What are my chances of just making more pretty snakes for my own enjoyment?
 
This is a photo of a Colombian boa at 7 years old (she is nearly eight now). As you can see, she is not a monstrous animal. Properly fed Colombians do not become obese, overstuffed sausages.

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Jacob, what you are engaging in at the moment is called "rationalization". Also a couple of other really interesting defense mechanisms. You're making the psychology student in me try to peak his head out.

Beyond that, to whatever list you have made out of people with pure bloodlines of Hogs, you can add me to it. When I bought Hog Island boas, I made sure that I went to reliable breeders that could directly trace their stock back to Bob Sears. Bob was the first person to ever import them into the US and he collected his animals directly from the islands and flew them back himself. It's a pretty solid bloodline if you can make sure the animals came from him.

Even if they were $300 a piece, which I think you went against that somewhere in this thread that you seem to be adding to at a pretty maddening pace, it's not a horrible loss. It's an expensive lesson, sure, but make it the lesson worthwhile. You can't just throw money at something and assume it's gonna work out later. Invest some time and thought into what you're doing before you invest the money.

What you do with those snakes is your choice, of course, but I can pretty well tell you that nobody is going to want the babies for anything more than pets, and that's if you're lucky. Getting rid of that litter of snakes is going to be a chore that will probably cost more money than it produces.

Chris
 
All I am asking is there anything else I can breed these with to make pretty babies? Regardless of being "crosses" or not.
I just want to know what I can pair them with to make more pretty snakes. I don't care about making more hogs, that is out the door. I just am simply asking WHAT can I do with these to make more beautiful snakes? Do I cross them with other morphs or breed them together and make more of these? I am just asking for some help. I need to do something with the hand I have.
 
Honestly, in my opinion, there is nothing you can do with them that would make truly desirable babies. Breeding for yourself is great, but you have to figure out what you're going to do with the rest of the babies after you make the ones you want.

Also, don't assume that pure Hogs are small, I have an absolutely pure 12 yr old female that is a solid 7' and around 18 lbs.

Chris
 
PrismaSandBoaMorphs said:
All I am asking is there anything else I can breed these with to make pretty babies? Regardless of being "crosses" or not.
I just want to know what I can pair them with to make more pretty snakes. I don't care about making more hogs, that is out the door. I just am simply asking WHAT can I do with these to make more beautiful snakes? Do I cross them with other morphs or breed them together and make more of these? I am just asking for some help. I need to do something with the hand I have.
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The answer from most people in this thread is "No."

As I've said.

Some people would breed them, sure, I would not.

I would set them aside, resell them, do more research into breeding and boas themselves and then decide on what I want to do.

I've had boas for six years and am just really settling down with breeding projects this year. I tried two years prior and was not really as ready for it as I am now.

Boa breeding is also a crap chute. Just because you put two together and they breed does not mean the female takes, the male is sterile or any other thing that can and does go wrong with boa breeding. Boas are not nice enough to read all the books and watch all the videos we have.

I do not think you thought this through beyond just wanting to make snakes.
 
JCCS said:
Honestly, in my opinion, there is nothing you can do with them that would make truly desirable babies. Breeding for yourself is great, but you have to figure out what you're going to do with the rest of the babies after you make the ones you want.

Also, don't assume that pure Hogs are small, I have an absolutely pure 12 yr old female that is a solid 7' and around 18 lbs.


Chris
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True story, I've seen her in person. Gorgeous girl.
 
Ou are acting as if I have to defend something. All I am asking is that someone tell me what I can do with the snakes I currently have. You can't tell me they are worthless because they are crosses. I'm asking what should I breed them with for best result since I am breeding them anyway?
 
You wanted advice, you got it. Then you got pissy because it wasn't the advice you wanted to hear and talking about subjects of which you know nothing about. That would be getting defensive. I've said my piece on what I would do if I were in your shoes. If you don't want the boas, I would find a home for them with someone who does, just don't try to represent them as pure Hogs.
 
Jacob, respectfully, I would have to agree that it's probably best not to breed these animals. The market is glutted with lower-end or cross-bed specimens from too many species as is (for example, look at the countless male ball pythons in need of good homes), and these (the ones you did not keep) would just be more of the same. Again, said with utmost respect -- I'm terribly sorry you did not purchase the animals you thought.
 
personally I avoid buying crosses (except my hypos but that was because I got into them before I realized they were locality crosses as well). Some people don't care if a boa is a cross and will buy the babies only for their looks (some call these 'designer boas' others call any morph a 'designer boa'). Others put importance on it and will not buy crosses.
 
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