Fred Albury... BUYER BEWARE!!! BAD GUY!!!

[Chris Kennard]

oops

Forgot again. Chris Kennard

 

[HerpVenue]

1) admit to never doing business with anyone?
I said Fred...not anyone. Are you saying you have done business with Fred? if you have then i stand corrected. HAVE YOU DONE BUSINESS WITH FRED?


2) admit to not liking him because my feelings were hurt on a forum???
sure thing...just for you.

My problem with Fred is simple. I'm tired of the sneaky way he stabs the "lesser" people of the forums with his sharp, condescending remarks while sucking up to the bigshots with his aimless posts. You think I'm the only one who notices and complains about it. Wrong! I'm just the only one with the guts to do it publicly.

Fact is I never made either of those remarks.
I guess you never made the remark that your SIMPLE PROBLEM with him was how he treated people in a forum.



The rest of your post is comparing apples to oranges.
I totally agree with you. You called him a scammer. Therefore proof was necessarry. I said you and the other guy are both from PA and both joined in June. No need for proof. It is right there in front of your faces. Is that the apples and oranges you are talking about?


or are you talking about the fact that it took me six months to ship someones animals? Because that is not apples and oranges. I had problems. Fred claims to have had problems. I had excuses. So did Fred. It took me a LONG timne to complete the transaction. It has taken Fred a long time too.

 

[Anaconda Al]

Hey Ritchie.............

It sounds like you got your wittle feewings hurt. Shake it off kid and keep your head up. I'll take you to the candy store tomorrow?
But seriously Columbo - you figured us out. Chris Kennard and I are Friends. Is that against the TOS? Why don't you go run and report that? It doesn't, however, change what Fred is up to.

I see you have a thing for quotes. I'd copy some of yours, paste them here and pick them apart limb by limb. However, you really come up short when it comes to having anything of value to quote. You seem to have a thing for petty small talk and arguing
over the extreme small stuff. Did you get rejected at law school?

I'll stop here because you've demonstrated what a sensitive guy you are. I wouldn't want to hurt your wittle feewings.

Bye Bye Ritchie

Albert Applebaum

PS Go buy some snakes from Fred

 

[HerpVenue]

It sounds like you got your wittle feewings hurt. Shake it off kid and keep your head up. I'll take you to the candy store tomorrow?

Ummm let me see... wow you got me. I asked you questions not because I wanted proof...but because my feelings were hurt.

However, you really come up short when it comes to having anything of value to quote. You seem to have a thing for petty small talk and arguing

Yeah you are right. me asking you questions is absolutely of no value. Sorta like you guys coming here to cry about your feelings is no value. You saying he was a scammer was no value.


you know what? never mind. Forget all that I can piss higher than you BS. I wanted proof and I got it....(after 10 pages)

This would have all ended a long time ago if you all learned how to read. it took me many times of asking before you figured out all I wanted was "somekind" of proof.


p.s. can you show me a quote were I said my feelings were hurt?.....thought so

 

[Python Dreams]

I was just using the IP's as an example of what happens regularly on the BOI. I have seen you post IP's on numerous occasions. I am not saying it is a bad thing either, just that sometimes you are wrong. It doesnt change the fact that you have already led public doubt to whatever these individuals might say. With the talk of all these forums going on, has it ever occured to you that maybe they have talked about this in a different forum and knew that something like this was coming up. If "so-called buyer" says that Tom Baker ripped me off and have talked about it in other forums. He then decides to post it on the BOI and someone in the other forum decides he will go to also state how he has heard about this for awhile. Thats how I understood it. Maybe I am wrong.... I only posted because I saw it going away from the issues of Fred Albury and on to how these two guys are maybe just one, and they have a ruthless vendetta against someone. Maybe they are one and they have been making up the whole story. Maybe their story is correct.... Your "proof" to me just doenst seem to convincing. Doesn't say that it is not true either.
Also, I think most people on this thread might not have done business with Fred. It has nothing to do with the story they have and, if true, what it says about the character of the person in question. Your allowed to do whatever you want, but so am I and so are they. I'm just telling how it appeared to me from the outside. Whenever someone is viewed highly here it is a whole different story. I felt like these guys were being jumped on because they have a complaint about a (at the moment) bad businessman. They have provided the proof you wanted.... Now what? Their proof is every bit as much of proof as yours. Neither are 100%. So you asked questions and got the proof you needed and now what? Just drop it? Why ask for any proof if thats as far as you want to take it? So I guess, I dont "Got It".
Finally, the difference between you and a "Bad Guy" is that you always offered the refund. If you would've told them that they would have to wait til your ready or for any reason their cash was not available to them, then maybe you would be a "Bad Guy". Things do happen, animals die, people get arrested, family members pass on or become very sick.... Thats no reason to stay out of contact, or hold anyones money for any length of time. Thank God (I'm not religous) for the BOI otherwise I dont think things would be handled so easily (sometimes and maybe). Well, now your aware that as of today he has semi-cheated two people. It was also stated earlier that Seamus (I think) would rather deal with someone who has corrected mistakes then someone who has a perfect record???? That is a pretty silly statement from an appearingly very intelligent guy (if it wasn't you Seamus, my apologies). Just because something goes wrong with a purchase and you handle it perectly, does not mean that it was a bad sale. You would not hear about how the Python died in transport and the seller said you were out of luck, because the seller would have taken care of his end and refunded the money. The buyer than would know that you are an honest, and trustworthy businessman therefore ensuring future sales. You would still have a perfect record. Am I now to understand you would rather deal with someone that after 11 months, and only after bringing it public, did they apologize and offer to finish their end of a sale (meaning he has and probably has spent their money!!!!! Their money, not his). Statements like that are what intrigued me to post and somehow if this was about someone not so highly regarded as Fred, alot of statements here would probably have been completely different.
Thanks, Tom Baker

 

[Anaconda Al]

One more thing Ritchie...................

You obviously think that because of your own particular botched transaction, there is nothing wrong with what Fred has done to Ann and Landon (perhaps just the tip of the iceburg). You think that you are an ok guy, therefore you don't think that you deserved the kind of attention that Fred is now getting. Somehow, you thing Fred is also an ok guy, so he must be getting a bad rap. Stop projecting Ritchie! Your logic is flawed across the board. The more you blather, the more you sound like Fred (your alias). But this isn't about you. Forget your "big man on Campus" act for a while and let Fred answer some questions. That is if he's man enough.

Albert Applebaum

 

[Chris Kennard]

Ritchie, I never said I dealt with Fred one way or the other. You made the comment that I made reference to that and I want to see the proof! I still want to see proof of where I said MY feelings were hurt. You haven't produced the proof. Isn't that what you're all about...proof? I've never dealt with Fred and that is irrelevant to the thread. What is relevant according to you is proof. I think after all the needling you've done for proof you could provide it as well. You seem to strictly enforce the rule that if you are the accuser, the burden of proof is on you. Where exactly is the post where I said my "feelings were hurt" and that I never had any dealings with Fred. Those are your words not mine. Hasn't this charade gone on long enough Ritchie? You are trying so hard to discredit every little word anyone says in opposition of Fred that it has become silly and I'm embarrassed to even be entertaining your ridiculously nit-picking posts anymore. You got what you wanted yet you still nag like a bitter old man who is pissed at the world. I know you're not a stupid person and you're probably not a bad guy, but if you're gonna' be on the wrong side of the fence, do it for the right reason, not because you so desperately want to be the guy who shot Billy the Kid.


Chris Kennard

 

[Anaconda Al]

Oh Ritchie........................

Your questions only served to mask your unconditional support for a scam artist. Your "requests" for "proof" were meaningless in that your petty behavior continues after having some pretty good "proof" to form an educated opinion of Fred. Your hidden agenda is now not so hidden. Excuse Tom Baker for not bashing me like you are. Do you thing he's from PA also Columbo? Shame on him for not agreeing with you!

Albert Applebaum

 

[Stardust]

I have to agree 100% with Tom Baker on everything he has said. I have seen the same things go on, I have tried to voice it only to get shot down.
On this one Ritchie I think it is about time for you to get a little humble. You did accuse them of getting their feelings hurt and so on, there is no proof that I can see to that affect. And since that is what you require, turn around is fair play.
On a bigger note, I would really like to see the "man of the hour" come on here again and post for HIMSELF.

 

[HerpVenue]

Your "proof" to me just doenst seem to convincing. Doesn't say that it is not true either.

But I do not remember saying that they wre in fact the same person. I had a doubt in my mind so I enumerated some strange coincidences about them.

Finally, the difference between you and a "Bad Guy" is that you always offered the refund.

AH yes. You are right Tom. I do see what you are tal;king about now.

I still want to see proof of where I said MY feelings were hurt.

Fine. You NEVER said your feelings were hurt. But your simple problem with him is how you and others were treated in a forum.

Where exactly is the post where I said my "feelings were hurt" and that I never had any dealings with Fred.

Jimeny Christmas. I have already said it. If you have dealt with Fred then I stand corrected. I was wrong for posting that. Now answer the question...Have you had any business dealings with Fred?

Your questions only served to mask your unconditional support for a scam artist. Your "requests" for "proof" were meaningless in that your petty behavior continues after having some pretty good "proof" to form an educated opinion of Fred.

So thanking you for finally posting the proof is petty behavior..Okay. got it. me saying enough of the "I can piss hihger than you behavior" is petty behavior.....got it. Me trying to end this pissing match because I got my proof is petty behavior ....got it.



like I said before. I will say this again.
I got the proof. Enough with the pissing match.

 

[HerpVenue]

Do you thing he's from PA also Columbo? Shame on him for not agreeing with you!

Woah. where did that come from? I thought me and Tom were having a good discussion I thought he made some good points.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I told you I have not had dealings with Fred.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

This is getting rediculous. Landon himself will tell you that he was not treated unfairly here. He was asked for some kind of proof which he successfully provided. Fred didn't deny any of it. Everyone here knows that Fred absolutely did the wrong thing. I personally believe that he was less than honest several times. Landon presented Fred with many reasonable options to complete the deal with no success. FRED SCREWED UP! There is no doubt about it. What else would you like for him to do? Everyone has enough information to make their own judgement without investigating a plane crash. Some will choose to deal with him, some will not.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

I'm curious. Al and Chris, you have alluded to a long history of scamming and bad deals Fred has been involved in. With the exception of Anne and Landon, do you have any specific examples
? Other than the plane crash deal, I haven't noticed any specifics.

The guy has admitted he is completely at fault. He is obviously guilty of crappy customer service over the last year for questionable reasons. He is not denying that. I find the excuses pretty thin too. Bottom line is, either he sends the animals out Friday, completes the transactions, and the deals get upgraded to completed deals that were handled badly or he fails to send the animals and earns a permanent "bad guy" label.

I also looked the posts on this thread over carefully and found no one who was actually supporting Fred. About the strongest comment I heard was "let's wait and see how he does on fixing the situations". Hardly what i would call overwhelming support.

I have done some careful searching of the past threads on this site and have not found any previous knocks to Fred or his reputation. I think specific examples of past deals that went bad other than the two already detailed would be most useful if they, in fact, exist.

Incidentally, before either of you ask, I do not know Fred in the slightest and have never done any business with him. It just seems to me that you guys have a little deeper agenda than you are letting on. No one gets this steamed over a guy they have never had any direct contact with. In all candor, you two are more pissed about Landon's deal than he is.

 

[Seamus Haley]

I'm not going to wander back to find things to quote, I'm just going to address the points that occured to me as I can remember them, which means I'll probably miss a few.

Yes, I would rather deal with someone who has made a mistake or two and handled it than someone who has never made one. If someone corrects a situation to the satisfaction of the other involved party when an accident happens, I have a greater trust that they would do the same in the unlikely event of something going wrong with any transaction I may enter into. Someone with a totally spotless record is an unknown, if they've never had to handle a problem, I have no way of anticipating if they would do the right thing or not.

The only two people who really had reason to be upset have stated that, while not happy with the way things happened, they're also not, at this point to the best of my understanding, angry about it and will, once it's corrected, be satisfied.

The plane crash issue... First of all, really doesn't belong on the BOI, IF someone Fred had been in a delayed transaction with had decided to bring it up and had doubts, then it would belong here... two jibbering fools who decided they didn't like the fact someone corrected them on an internet forum posting something like that with no proof out of the blue when motivated by a personal dislike... That's unacceptable. There has been no proof shown about the issue either... there was a news story and some highly disreputable circumstantial evidence, nothing even close to displaying a definite conclusion. Anyone who's so ignorant of basic logic as to justify calling someone a liar and a scammer with THAT GARBAGE as their backup has got to be an imbecile, no two ways about it.

 

[Anaconda Al]

Fair enough John...................

It wasn't who said "long history of scamming" but I know of Ann, Landon, and another guy who was looking for Fred on KS's Indigo forum like Landon did and around the same time as Landon. If you want specifics feel free to look up the post. That's on you. I don't know about you, but three separate situations like this are enough to convince me that it's time Fred Albury is recognized as a "Bad Guy".

True, I've never had any business dealings with Fred myself, but I've heard through a reliable grapevine about others who have, and their experience with Fred is comparable to Landon's and Ann's. In addition, I've dealt with Fred quite often in the KS forums enough to know what kind of character he is. He's offended me many times with his disparaging and condescending comments. I have a right not to like him (not hate) As I've said before, I've said my piece to him and I was satisfied with the results.

My opinion of Fred is that he rips people off. I know this because this exact issue was argued on KS months ago, and Fred never came clean then. As I said before, I'm rooting against a known "Bad Guy" here. I personally don't like con artists and that's why I may appear to be "steamed". You may not have been around for the prior arguements on KS so I can understand why I may appear to have gone overboard here. If Fred did the right thing back then, I wouldn't be here now - it's that simple.

As far as my appearing to be more pissed than Landon, think about it. Fred has accused Landon of being friends with Chis Kennard and myself, because of our desire to see Fred make good on their transaction. Fred doesn't like us. Because of all the attention Landon has brought to Fred's seedy ways, Fred is putting the heat on Landon to make us go away. Fred refuses to believe that Landon and we are not friends. Landon knows that if he shows too much animosity towards Fred, he may never get his snakes, or a refund. And Landon probably believes that if he can show Fred that he is not friends with us (which he isn't) that, again, Fred is more likely to make good on the deal. It didn't work for Landon on KS, and I'm curious to see what happens here.

As a result of speaking out against Fred on KS, I was branded a troll by his supporters. I may have came on a little strong in this thread because I saw the same thing happening again. I heard people exploiting Landon's situation just to say how well Fred always treated them. Enough! like I said I'm rooting against the bad guy here and I want to see him get the recognition that he deserves, and I'm perfectly happy with that.

Albert Applebaum

 

[Anaconda Al]

Seamus............................

You are a colossal jackass!

Albert Applebaum

 

[Darin Chappell]

OK, Chris and Albert,

You two decided to post here on the BOI for the very first time on this thread (continually ignoring the rules of the TOS, I might add, Chris) just so you could inform us all that you both think Fred is a bad guy. Mission accomplished. We know that's what you think. We know why you think that. What else do you need from this board?

Many of us have a hard time questioning a man about the validity of his family member's death, when the actual people involved in the deal gone sour have no problems with the excuse he offered them. Are they thrilled it went this way? Hardly, but the deal is about to be fixed. If it is, then it's over as far as the protagonists are concerned. If it isn't fixed THEN there will be another issue to be faced.

Until then, what EXACTLY are you wanting us to do for YOU???

 

[Seamus Haley]

You are a colossal jackass!

Oh no... I made condescending remarks on an internet forum...

I bet this means I'm a con artist too.

Can't wait to see the BOI posts about that one.

 

[Anaconda Al]

Darin, the only thing I want you ("us")

to do for me(since you asked) is STAY OFF MY SIDE.
Thank you!

Albert Allblebaum