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Fred Albury... BUYER BEWARE!!! BAD GUY!!!

Listen guys,

You both know that I am no fan of Fred's. However, you are way of base if you think Wendy is anything other than honest in what she has posted, or if you suspect that she is working in Fred's corner out of some sense of deception. That is just not how Wendy works, based on my observations of her attitudes exhibited here for quite a while.

What she was pointing out was that, based on the information identifying sobek on the KS forums, the person posting in those situations described was on the East Coast, whereas Fred, was all the way across the country for all three of those days. Now, could he have used a laptop to post using a server that is based on the east coast? Sure, but just because that is a possibility, don't make the assumption that Wendy is being anything less than upright about her statements.

By the way, in medical school, they have a saying that goes something like this:

"If you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

What that means is that, unlike the natural inclination of most medical students wanting to find a new and rare disease to name for themselves, good and sensical doctors look for the most common answer for the symptoms at hand. I would suggest that maybe you guys should do the same thing here.

Fred has gone over to the dark side. He uses psuedonyms. However, when someone you don't know and have no reason to suspect tells you something that is very plausible, perhaps it's time to quit looking for the extreme possibilities and just accept that sobek is someone different from Fred. He may be a buddy of Fred's, but I think it's a different person.

One last thing, since we all know that Fred is like he is, and there is now ample evidence of his behaviors here for anyone to see, what benefit is there for continually posting more of the same? Maybe, if you two are that cranked up about the issue, this discussion would be better served by going at it via email? Just a thought.
 
"what kind of person would attempt to give this man an alibi even if it was true"

Ivan,

If you really feel that way, add me to your ever-growing list, Sir. I have no desire to do business with those who would ignore the truth simply because it suits them to do so, regardless of their motivations.

I'll say it again. Wendy has done nothing to show herself to be anything other than trustworthy on this forum (or any other as far as I know). You ought to be ashamed of what you just wrote, Ivan.

:mad:
 
ivan, do you ever go beneath the surface on anything? Wendy, in an effort to help those less intelligent than she is, which would be you if you truly think she's lying to help fred, simply stated that she saw and talked to him at the show. I didn't see anything where she said she socialized with him, or went to lunch with him, or agreed with him on anything.

On occasion I see someone I truly detest and have no desire at all to talk to in a public place. Instead of being a rude buttwad in public I try to ignore that person and if they absolutlely won't let me be I at least try to be civil. After one or two monosyllabic (which means one syllalbe words like dumb and fool and you and are) they generally get the hint and move on. Did it ever cross that vast landscape of a frontal lobe you have that it could possibly have been this scenario she was stuck in? Hmmmmmm???

Some people will tell the truth even when it is not pleasant to hear. Some of us stuck up for upchuck even though we despise them. We did this because they were wronged and it was the right as well as honest thing to do

Let me recommend that you, on occasion at least, think before you type.

Wes Pollock
 
Darin...

I don't know where you came up with the "east coast, west coast" scenerio. Both of the posters (Fred and Sobek) are from the same state. Maybe you weren't paying attention. Sobek claimed to be from Arkansas. Last time I checked, that was not on the east coast. But that is neither here nor there, because we know who he really is. In any case, I think it is very important to keep issues like this out in the open where they belong. After all, isn't that what the BOI is for? Protecting people from those who are not what they seem. We are talking about a person who's views on the Open discussion forum are that of an angry and twisted person who is desperately trying to conceal his real identity. That screams of serious issues. Perhaps you feel this type of behavior should be swept under the rug, but I think that since this person is seeping back into the herp mainstream, people need to be warned. This is not normal behavior. Beware!
 
darin chappell and wes pollock

your comments were noted.maybe your right maybe i was a little harsh Darin.I was simply triing to make a point.wendy please forgive me if i offended you.wes my brain is just fine thankyou.I don't really appreciate your school yard tactics.otherwise your comments were well taken.I don't completely agree but we can't all be perfect like you.


Ivan Dochstader
 
Chris, Al tone it down a bit, you both are looking a little to determined to get Fred and attacking others you both know how I feel about him and its the same as you guys but I think your a little to determined.

I agree just because Wendy seen him there doesnt mean he couldnt have posted it. On many ocassions at several differant shows I have seen computers and some times 3 or 4 in the same show either set up on someones table or behind it and logged on to the net. I dont know what the IRBA show is like but most shows that are in hotels, the hotels will have computers logged on in the loung. I think I have done 4 differant shows this year where the hotel had one in the loung not 30ft from the show doors. And ya after we caught him lieing about his brother via ISP I very well could see him running to a differant computer trying to cover his tracks and use a differant ISP then usual. However that doesnt mean you have to attack Wendy for it. I
agree in a sense why in the hell would someone defend scum like Fred and be associated with him. Just take it easy guys and clam down a little Fred is to much of a moron to stay out of the lime light forever. As many times as hes swallowed his foot youd think hed given up by now. Just him posting in the forums again shows hes starting to get comfortable. Its the same thing he done last time he got himself in trouble ran off then slowly started creaping back and it didnt take long till his mouth and warped sense of logic got him in trouble again. Just be patient and I am sure he will give you guys something to post and everyone who reads will say "Chris, Al good job guys, thanks for watching out for us!". Its in his nature hes to stupid to learn from his past mistakes. Right now you guys just look a little to determined.



As far as the eastern time thing I may be wrong but I am pretty sure ksnake works off an eastern time setting meaning it doesnt matter if you post from within FL or Africa it comes up as eastern time.
 
Wilomn...

If Wendy can't stand the heat, I'm sure she can speak for herself, or she should stay out of the kitchen. She's no angel in my book. She came on here with a condescending attitude on Fred's behalf. I believe her exact words were, and I quote, "Now unless you two have anything new to add, go wag your tongues over the back fence instead of here". Wendy, who are you to dictate orders to us? That sounds to me like someone who's agenda is to speak on Fred's behalf. In any case, let's recap shall we? Wendy insinuates we have nothing to add. Wendy added that Fred was at a show, right near his house, lol, so he couldn't possibly have posted on KS. Boy you cracked the case wide open there wendy!
 
Um...lets see, because it is the truth,

Wow, I happened to work the same show and I happen to walk around the show and see everone there. I also happen to look at all the booths and yes, I said "HI" to Fred. Now, if you want to call that "socializing" go right ahead. I call it "being polite".
As for the laptop thing, I think you are stretching it (unless they hooked up internet access in the mens bathroom since the last SD show), but it is a possibility.
As for running home, if you lived in Califorinia, you would know that to get anywhere from downtown San Diego and back again would take multiple hours.
And yes, I have been keeping up with your halfbaked insinuations that amount to nothing more than speculation and gossip. Try posting proof. Quite frankly, I think what you have been posting is a disgrace to this sight and not what it was intended for.
Now, I am by no means condoning any of what Fred did do. I think it is pretty rotten and yes, I would say he is a bad guy. But just because he is a "bad guy" does not mean you have to create stories about him. In my opinion, that doesn't really make you any better than he is.
 
Jason...

Read Wendy's post. She was condescending to Al and I before we responded to her. Like I always say, don't start nothin', won't be nothin', lol. Her closing remark in her first post was uncalled for. Next, there is nothing overbearing about seeking the truth dilligently. As far as people ever thanking us are concerned, that will never happen. In light of some of the posts here, I think Fred could push someone off a cliff and still get back into the good graces of alot of these people. It doesn't matter. Now, was your post about his puking boa being sold by Cortez less abrasive than our posts? Come on Jason.
 
Wendy...

Fred lives in San Diego. The show was in San Diego. If you are insinuating that it would take him several hours to get home and back, then you must know where he lives. How would you know that if you aren't his friend?
 
Now, was your post about his puking boa being sold by Cortez less abrasive than our posts? Come on Jason.
Im not talking about being abrasive towards Fred say what you will about him I think it funny. Just calm down a little dude you guys dont have any factual proof about sobek being Fred, ya I agree I think its him but sitting back reading these posts it looks like you guys are on the war path. All I am saying is be patient and Fred will bring the proof to you, he does everytime. Every time he speaks he gets tangled in his lies and bull[bleep] hes spent so much time lieng he doesnt even know what the truth is anymore why do you thin he always has his freinds cover for him.

I agree though I hadnt really read it Wendys posts closing statemnt is rather rude and does apear as though shes defending Fred.

All I am saying is give it a little time and you can rest assured that Fred will give you all the undisputable proof you need to have an open and shut case against him. Just be patient.
 
Jason...

You have a point there, but just remember, if we had let up the first time around, we might not have accomplished what we did. Also, if someone posts with regard to something I've said, I will respond. Lastly, I never said that proof doesn't exist. :D Like you said, things have a way of showing up.
 
My perspective.......

Darin, I realize that you are "no fan of Fred's" and I respect what you have just posted. It seemed to me that Wendy wanted to play "hard-ball" judging by the following comment she made: "Now, unless you two have anything new to add, go wag your tongues over the back fence instead of here." I'm a fan of "hard-ball", but if she's not a friend of Fred then I stand corrected. As far as proving that Fred and "sobek" are two different people, Wendy failed miserably.

I think that the most important thing to remember here is that just a few weeks ago, according to Alvaro on p.43, Fred Albury responded to an email that Alvaro sent to "A. Cortez". Fred told Alvaro that it was his Argentine Boa that "A Cortez" was selling on Fred's behalve. Alvaro is a guy who has 1,204 posts to this site, and I would guess that Fred recognized him and played it straight. Good idea Fred!

Fred's Argentine Boa, "747", happens to be a snake that has been the subject of controversy and is known by some as a "puker". This snake is owned and is currently being shopped around by Fred, BUT UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME! Could Fred be screening "A. Cortez's" emails for the perfect sucker? Given the nature of this thread, what would you think?

Hiding behind someone else's name (assuming a false identity) is what the recent activity on this thread is all about. Two months ago "sobek" decided to take me on in the KS Open Discussion forum in an argument about the war in Iraq. After my esteemed associate ("Boapit") suggested that "sobek" might be Fred, due to grammatical errors (not dropping the "e" when adding "ing" amongts mant others), I took a closer look. I compared his views on the war to a flame that Fred started on the Boa forum many months ago. "sobek's" views were undeniably Fred's. "Boapit" and I then badgered "sobek" to reveal his true identity. Eventually, he provided an exact address in Little Rock, Arkansas that turned out to be non-existent. "sobek's" IP was a California address. "sobek" claimed that he was "Devin Price", yet whenI responded to his posts, using "Devin Price" as MY user name, Fred, whoops "sobek", would not address the same name issue. Given all of the attention on Fred/sobek/Devin Price right now, it is astounding that we haven't seen any of them here making any comment whatsoever to disprove my contention.

After reading about how Fred treated Landon, Ann, and John I will make every effort to alert potential buyers if I see that Fred is hiding his identity in any way. I've watched how he uses KS to lure his victims in, and, although it may only be a childish discussion on the war, I think that anytime Fred Albury is wearing a disguise it is a serious matter. Especially when, on another forum at the same time, he is projecting the friendly, alluring image of the guy who could never stiff a customer. Beware of Fred Albury, he is once again on the move.

Albert Applebaum

PS Personally, I would run the other way from a guy who claims that "republicans are capitalistic swine" if he were trying to sell me a snake.
 
Can I get the cliff notes?

OK, what I have so far is:

Fred said he was wrong ... points for honesty but it's a far cry from making things right ..... shouldn't buyers be "compensated" for time delays (if you can even call it that) of that magnitude?

Fred has more than one alias, or has been using brokers .... I could care less either way.

I myself have corresponded with Fred and he was very polite and prompt in relpys ... However I did NOT carry out any transactions with him.

If you come on this thread and question Fred's reputation, honesty or ethics you get views from both sides, even though the tide isn't looking to be in his favor .... BUT, if you come on and dare to admit that you had a "good" experience with him you are automatically an idiot, a scammer, a friend or buisness partner of his, owe him something or can't see things for what they are ...... and are attacked by FC's version of the Keystone Cops (still have to wonder about the relationship between that groups members). ******NEWS FLASH BOYS: MAYBE HE DIDN'T STIFF EVERYONE!!!****** Maybe he had a few deals go really good for people ..... but strong-arming anyone that defends him by saying they had a good experience with him will keep other people that DID have those positive experiences from posting for fear of the same treatment.

Wendy gave her honest (as far as we know) opinion about meeting Fed and it didn't appear to be a bad experience.

Ivan doesn't like Wes using "school yard tactics" even though he used them himself in replying to Wendy .... hypocratical much?

Last ..... personally .... NO, I wouldn't deal with Fred, but that is my option and my decision to make freely and without being bullied or ridiculed for it. The same would hold true if I decided that I WOULD/had dealt with him ... and if I had a positive experience with him (other than brief e-mail correspondence) I would post it in this thread because I, for one, refuse to be bullied, strong-armed or intimidated into saying anything other than what I believe or to be held silent by the same tactics. Besides that ... I'm a private collector just recently into breeding a few select species as a hobby so I have nothing to lose .... bash me if you like, it is of no concern to me. I have given my honest view and refuse to take a side other than everyone should be able to speak their mind freely and without abuse and everyone should be free to make their own decision on who they deal with based on facts, experience and the reputation of the person they are considering dealing with.

That is my opinion, I posted it, I believe in it, and I'll stand behind it.
 
EXCELLENT POST BABCOCK!!!!!!!!!!

Albert Applebaum

PS ibelieve that this post is about Fred, not you.
 
Sorry Al

if the post subject got a bit muttled there .... the point is simply this:
people should have the right to give their opinions of Fred (or anyone else), good or bad without retalliation (not to be confused with intelligent debate) from those that don't like him .... hmmmmm ... could have saved time and just put that :uhh:
 
Actually there isn't internet access for the general public (and vendors) at the San Diego show. If there was I'd be the first with it. I am sure you could bribe a security guard to take you to an office with internet access, bring in a wireless system and post via that, have a wireless system in the car, etc etc. So while not impossible Fred accessing the internet during show hours during that time is improbable.

I find it humoruos that being polite in passing with another vendor at a show places you in league with the devil having sold your soul. Fred and I do not see eye to eye on many things, one being his treatment of the originators of this thread (and those like them). There is just no room in this industry (or any for that matter) for those type of actions.

I am a big believer in the purpose of this forum. The biggest complaints I hear about this forum from others (and since I hear them you can assume Wendy does as well) is the tendency for some threads to turn to gossip and drama. The other being that there is a supposed "clique" (which I disagree with just people with similiar standards thinking along the same lines). To combat that and increase the worth of this board all people/businesses must be treated the same. This means providing proof of allegations and something more than just interenet gossip (hence the remark comparing some of those to old hens gossiping at the back fence) even when it's about a proven bad guy. So Wendy's comment comes from this and the fact that she get's that annoying "mother" attitude when telling people to play nicely. :D

Chris,

San Diego is a very large city. I know that Renegade Reptiles is located in Ramona (these are the people that Fred came to the show with, they parked next to us in the parking lot). With no traffic they are 40 - 50 minute drive just on the freeway, without navigating through the downtown area. With day time traffic there is no "quick" trip from downtown to the suburbs.
 
Fred's Argentine Boa, "747", happens to be a snake that has been the subject of controversy and is known by some as a "puker".

I for once would like to know if we can take this information as a fact. The boa was being offered as healthy and ready to be bred this season. I want to know if I was being offered a sick boa.

Thanks.
 
Hey Guys,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, it was my turn on the swings and then there was no line at the big kid slide.

It seems that some of us who have made very valid and worthwhile post about fred are not too tolerant of others not hating him to the point that they won't even say hi to him. fred is scum but not everyone will treat him that way. Some, like Wendy, just aren't that way. She's also out Cult Sex Symbol and when you mess with the Symbol of a Cult as big and strong as ours...... well it just shouldn't happen.

Please continue to bring all of fred's little forays into the criminal world to light.

Please lighten up a little as well. We all know what kind of person he is and agree with you that he should not be allowed to continue as he is.

Oh look, the merry-go-round is empty! Who's gonna push?

Wes Pollock
 
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