Fred Albury... BUYER BEWARE!!! BAD GUY!!!

[Two Tall Tommy]

What's the deal Roscoe?

One day you say that "sobek' and Fred are "definitely" the same guy. The next day you retract that statement for lack of evidence. Do you need a law degree to post here? Did you forget that you lacked evidence, in your mind, the day you posted that "sobek" and Fred are definitely the same guy? What changed in one day? Did you have amnesia that day and forget the rules? Did you suddenly remember the rules the next day? Why can't you stand by what you know is a fact, email or no email? YOU KNOW THAT FRED=sobek! How's that for "relevance"?

Alvaro asked the question of whether or not Fred attempted to sell him an unhealthy snake JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, USING A NAME THAT WASN'T FRED ALBURY. Similar to the Fred = sobek situation, except far more serious. On the Open Discussion forum Fred was only trying to hide his anti-American feelings. But in Alvaro's case, Fred was trying to hide something far worse. After all, there are some highly disparaging comments, made in this thread, about Fred's Argentine Boas. If I were trying to unload an unhealthy snake, I'd probably hide behind someone else's name too. Sowhy do you suddenly have a problem seeing the relevance of your opinion here?

Thomas Brenner

 

[Chris Kennard]

I'm still wondering when "Roscoe" is going to tell us where the e-mail came from or what forum it was sent through and by what user name. What was the subject matter and why was it sent? Lastly, who's name graced the conclusion of that letter? Perhaps this would help to end some of the confusion on this matter. That and a simultaneous appearance by Fred, Sobek and Devin Price. How bout it fellas? Can we get this over with?There is no doubt in my mind that by this point in time you all would have been in contact with each other regarding this matter. Why not put your heads together, set a time when you can all (?) make yourselves available and slap a little postypoo onto this forum?

 

[The BoidSmith]

But in Alvaro's case, Fred was trying to hide something far worse. After all, there are some highly disparaging comments, made in this thread, about Fred's Argentine Boas. If I were trying to unload an unhealthy snake, I'd probably hide behind someone else's name too.

My question was very simple but still remains unanswered. Is there anyone who can provide some input on the health status of the argentine boa a.k.a "747"? Where did the rumor start that this snake was a known puker? Was it in some other forum?

Thanks.

 

[Anaconda Al]

Alvaro, why didn't you buy Fred's "747"?

Did you feel like you were made a fool of when the infamous Fred Albury responded to your email to "Mr. Cortez"? Did you wisely make the assumption that it wouldn't be a good idea to buy anything from Fred Albury today under any circumstances? Did you "run the other way" as fast as you could because of the atrocious way he treats his customers, as illustrated in this thread? or was there some other reason?

I suggest that if you are still unconvinved about the health of Fred's "747" after reading the information about his Argentine Boas in THIS thread, that you call Fred back and buy "747' to see what happens yourself. I'd love to hear the results!

Albert Applebaum

PS I don't see what could possibly stop Fred, himself, from answering your "simple question", why don't you email "A. Cortez" and ask Fred to come on yourself?

 

[Classic Dum's]

Chris please, you know I agree with you Fred is a bad guy who should be tared and feathered. I havnt even read the posts by Sobek but wouldnt be the least bit surprised to find out that it is Fred. But please DONT respond anymore within this thread till you have factual proof. I do not want to see this thread get shut down. Looking at Freds history there will come a day when this thread is needed again to possibly save some people from being ripped off. Right now everyone is bickering over a fact name he may or may not be using(probally is). If it gets shut down because of all this going back and forth, well he wins. I am sure hes loving the webslaves warning and preying you guys dont stop so this thread gets locked and falls off into the abyss never to swim back to the top. If that happens HE WINS! So please be patient he will give you factual proof sooner or later, ill bet $50 on it. Just ignore everyoens responces, yes I am sure some of his freinds will post trying to get you wound up. Ignore it and find the proof. I would love nothing more then to see you drive another nail into his coffen. Patients my freind!

Is there anyone who can provide some input on the health status of the argentine boa a.k.a "747"? Where did the rumor start that this snake was a known puker? Was it in some other forum?

I as well would like to see this info. It was proven that his "maxx pinks" were pukers and thats why he never made good on his deal with John. When he told john the fact of them puking and offered John a choice of the animals or refund he opted for a refund that of course took many months to come, prussure and of course everyone knows the rest of the story. However I had never heard anything about 747 being a puker. So mabye someone is confusing his maxx pink pukers with(which were babies or yearlings or something) with this adult. However if there is proof out there of "A. Cortez" Selling this adult animal as healthy when it infact is a puker someone please post so. If this adult animal is a puker then I would tend to think that maybe Freds whole collection could be infected with something. Which might explain why he is selling off his entire collection. But more importantly then that tracking down everyone who got animals from his collection i think would be in order to let them know. So if anyone knows anything of this adult animal puking please post it!!

 

[The BoidSmith]

Al,

In answering your questions:

Did you feel like you were made a fool of when the infamous Fred Albury responded to your email to "Mr. Cortez"?

No, I didn't even ask Fred what was the reason for that. I have seen many ads in the past where people sell snakes "for a friend".

Did you wisely make the assumption that it wouldn't be a good idea to buy anything from Fred Albury today under any circumstances?

This very same boa was up for sale months ago. My first thought was that Cortez had bought the snake from Fred, and was now selling her. After knowing it was the same snake that was up for sale I decided against the purchase. Why? First thought that came to mind was there was something wrong with the snake. I was also aware of the past bad dealings, and yes, that played a part in the decision.

Did you "run the other way" as fast as you could because of the atrocious way he treats his customers, as illustrated in this thread?

No, we exchanged 2-3 e-mails if I remember right before I decided not to go for the boa.

I suggest that if you are still unconvinved about the health of Fred's "747" after reading the information about his Argentine Boas in THIS thread, that you call Fred back and buy "747' to see what happens yourself. I'd love to hear the results!

I'm not planning on going for his "747". I'm not that enthus into finding out myself if the snake is in fact sick. As a matter of fact I already got another BCO that will hopefully arrive Tuesday.

or was there some other reason?

Call it "intuition" if you will, but there was something telling me I needed more information, and thus the question which still remains unanswered:

Is there factual information that Fred was trying to sell me a sick boa?

Regards.

 

[Anaconda Al]

Yes Alvaro, there is plenty of "factual Information" that........

Fred was trying to sell you a sick Boa:

It's a fact that other snakes in Fred's collection (Argentine Boas) are/were "pukers"

It's a fact that infection may spread to the whole collection if even one snake is infected.

It's a fact that Fred was evasive in attempting to sell "747". Some here act as if "A. Cortez" is simply acting as a broker for Fred when IN FACT you had absolutely no contact with "A. Cortez", so nobody but Fred is selling Fred's snake.

It's a fact that Fred is a con artist who beats people out of their money buy selling snakes.

It's a fact that there's nothing but shady business surrounding the "A. Cortez"/Fred Albury alliance.

When you look at all of the above, there is plenty of factual information to lead you to believe that your "intuition" was right on the mark in making an excellent decision to back away from Fred's "747". What more do you need? Fred is always concerned about his reputation, so I'm sure that if there was nothing wrong with that snake, he'd be all over this thread right now proving me wrong. The FACT that he isn't is your biggest piece of FACTUAL INFORMATION available.

What is it that you are driving at here? You backed away from buying "747" simply based on your "intuition". You didn't seem to need any "facual information" then, why the big "to do" about "factual information" now? Where are you going with this? What's your point?

Albert Applebaum

 

[The BoidSmith]

My point is simple.

It's a fact that other snakes in Fred's collection (Argentine Boas) are/were "pukers"

That I know from this thread, and was probably the driving force into not buying the snake. It's the same reason why although I like some animals posted by another individual I never ever inquire as at least one of his animals was diagnosed with IBD in the past.

It's a fact that infection may spread to the whole collection if even one snake is infected.

I agree with you 100%. But the fact is that I can't prove that snake in particular is infected. Speculation at the most. Don't get me wrong I am not by any means defending Fred, I'm speaking about a boa being ill or not. That is my question.

It's a fact that Fred was evasive in attempting to sell "747". Some here act as if "A. Cortez" is simply acting as a broker for Fred when IN FACT you had absolutely no contact with "A. Cortez", so nobody but Fred is selling Fred's snake.

True. His evasiveness as you said is due to the fact that everyone knows about his past bad dealings. He wanted to sell the boa. Again, I'm not defending him but I can't tell if the boa is sick from this. You focus yourself in Fred while I'm focusing in the health status of the boa.

It's a fact that Fred is a con artist who beats people out of their money buy selling snakes.

Yes, it has been proven here. Is this telling me that the boa is sick?

It's a fact that there's nothing but shady business surrounding the "A. Cortez"/Fred Albury alliance.

All I know is that Fred Albury has been using A. Cortez name. I have never dealt with A. Cortez, never spoke with him, never seen an e-mail from him. You may be right though.

When you look at all of the above, there is plenty of factual information to lead you to believe that your "intuition" was right on the mark in making an excellent decision to back away from Fred's "747".

I think so too.

What more do you need?

All I wanted to know was if 747 was a puker. All I wanted to know was if Fred Albury was trying to pass me a sick snake that could have jeopardized my collection.

Fred is always concerned about his reputation, so I'm sure that if there was nothing wrong with that snake, he'd be all over this thread right now proving me wrong. The FACT that he isn't is your biggest piece of FACTUAL INFORMATION available.

The only thing that I know is that he is not posting. Do I know if that boa is sick? No I don't.

What is it that you are driving at here? You backed away from buying "747" simply based on your "intuition". You didn't seem to need any "facual information" then, why the big "to do" about "factual information" now? Where are you going with this? What's your point?

Here is my point again. It was stated in this thread that this boa was a puker. I want someone to tell me that this is true. Was this discussed in another thread that I'm not aware of? If this was the case, Fred would have knowingly tried to sell me a sick boa. That, I don't like.

Al, I don't know Fred, I have never bought from Fred, and from what I have heard in this thread probably never will. My question is very simple. If the issue of the health of the boa "747" was discussed elsewhere please point me to that thread. I want to know that, and apparently so do other people here.

Kindly,

 

[Anaconda Al]

Thanks for your answers Alvaro

"If the issue of the health of the boa "747" was discussed elsewhere please point me to that thread"

I can answer that question for you, but if he manages to find an unsuspecting vicitm to sell "747" to, I'll bet the house that you'll have plenty of after the fact discussion on the issue.

I realize that, in the interest of being thorough and fair, you are looking for absolute proof. Fair enough, I respect that.

I, on the other hand believe that the circumstantial evidence is convincing enough by itself. Someone else, without your prior knowledge of Fred, may end up buying that snake from him and being very disappointed. I would't think that a lack of absolute proof should get in the way of getting the word out that Fred is still out there trolling for victims. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt when he can't even use his real name in HIS ad.

Albert Applebaum

 

[Anaconda Al]

Correction: sorry Alvaro, I meant to say

I CAN'T answer that question for you.

Albert Applebaum

 

[Chris Kennard]

"Sobek's e-mail to me...

Hi chris Your more then welcome to come visit me anytime. I really mean that!
I got plenty of places for you to crash. No need in wasteing money on hotel
room Maybe we can even sit down, and discuss each others views on these
subjects with out fighting. I know you stand by your views, As do I. I respect
some one willing to stand up for their views reguardless If I agree with them,
but bickering like we are in grade school "not excluding myself" will
not bring any new stuff to light. You have an open invitation buddy. Room and
bord is on me. I'll even pick ya up from the air port Shoot me an email, and
let me know you are on your way.. Take care, SoBeK

Devin Price
11206 Mara Lynn, apt. G6
Little Rock, Ar 72211

P.s. the Sobroke comment was a tad funny, I must admit

This message was sent to you by the user: sobek



This is the e-mail sent to me through KS by "Sobek". The spelling of "wasteing" (Fred normally forgets to drop 'e' before adding 'ing'), and one of his favorite signature phrases, "as do I", may be a trivial clue that this is in fact Fred, but in my eyes, a clue nonetheless. In any case, I could not find a match to the name and location. I couldn't even find the location. I am however going to give "Devin" the benefit of the doubt here as I am certainly no computer wiz and may not have used a reliable resource to substantiate that information. Perhaps someone else will have better luck. I hope that this will be a step in helping to resolve the mystery that surrounds the question of who's who here. I must admit I am VERY suprised that we have seen neither hide nor hair of any of the people (Sobek, Fred, Devin) in question.

 

[Anaconda Al]

What a coincidence...........

Fred just posted on the Indigo forum. Notice how he spells "comeing". Like Boapit just pointed out, Devin Price/"sobek" seem to have the same problem as Fred when it comes to dropping th"e" when adding "ing". Notice also how he blathers about "employers GREED" in this post, and compare it to "sobek's" disdain for "capitalistic swine". Fred, on many occasions has voiced his dislike of 'the rich", just like 'sobek". What a coincidence.

"sobek's" email to Boapit (posted above) contained the following P.S> : "P.s. the Sobroke comment was a tad funny, I must admit"

It's interesting to note that Fred Albury, every freakin chance he gets, loves to mention that he is poor, down on his luck, and BROKE! Boapit was addressing Fred Albury when he called 'sobek" "Sobroke". "Devin Price" wouldn't have known what the hell Boapit was referring to, let alone find it a "tad funny". How provocative!

Albert Applebaum

 

[Anaconda Al]

PS

Why is it that the Open Discussion forum has come to a grinding halt since this thread about Fred Albury has come alive again. Why would "Devin Price"/'sobek" suddenly refrain from posting his political diarrhea over there at exactly the same time Fred Albury found himself in the spotlight? Why is Fred Albury posting today, while "sobek" seems to have dropped off the face of the earth? Where are you "sobek"???????????????? Can you feel the heat of those San Diego flames all the way in Little Rock, Arkkansas?

Albert Applebaum

 

[Darin Chappell]

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[snakehunter86]

Thanks for the heads up some people are ridiculous!

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Just a Heads Up

Freds Back............ARGENTINE BOA CONSTRICTOR(Adult,Proven Female)
Available:


Adult Female Argentine Boa. This female produced 18 healthy young in 2002. High contrast dark brown-black and white. She has been used in many classroom presentations. A large, High Contrast Female Argentine. I hate to sell her, but lost my I job, if I hadn't I would definetly keep her. She is currrently eating large rats on a 9 day cycle. She has not been bred this season, but has been brumated. This snake is the infamous "747" that many people have bought babies from.



Price: $300.00

Payment: Acceptable methods of payment are postal money orders. I do not accept personal checks, pay-pal, credit cards or payment plans.





Thank you for your interest.



Fredrick Albury
AZTEC REPTILES

Fred Albury has attached this image:

 

[Boavoyage]

Fred was not back... His ad was posted Feb. 2003. It just that some one brought it back up on Aug. 01, 2004, because he was interested in the snake...

 

[Bill_Leverton]

My Bad

Thought he was back to make good.