Bad Guy Gastro3003 aka Dr. Robert Brunner -- Scam Artist, Forger, Beware!

[Mistyck]

Right, it's a well known fact that once you post documents you can't use them again

Of course it is! Once they're online, you can't EVER use them again. Much like pictures...

 

[Black Adder]

Actually, you're wrong, and it might be a problem. I am not KYTuan's keeper -- I'm not even friends with him. He reached out to me yesterday with a photo of the tortoise Dr. Robert Brunner had claimed died inquiring about information regarding the genetics of the tortoise.

As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, what he wishes to share with the community is up to him. Frankly, he has no motivation nor incentive to share anything. Keeping rare and value animals is an extremely private matter, and it may not be something he wishes to share or disclose. I'll leave that up to him.

On my end, I have already posted the text messages and photo he sent to me showing the tortoise I sold Robert very much alive and healthy.

Am I missing something?
Just because this Tuan sent you a picture of the tortoise does NOT mean he had to have it in his possesion at all, it could have been a photo the "doc" sent him when he was considering buying.
It is quite plausible Tuan has never owned the tort in question and was indeed just trying to flip it for a quick profit (poor tort!)
Either way it would mean the doc is lying as he either did sell it to Tuan or was trying to sell it to Tuan meaning it most certainly is not dead as he claimed.

 

[worldismarble]

Am I missing something?
Just because this Tuan sent you a picture of the tortoise does NOT mean he had to have it in his possesion at all, it could have been a photo the "doc" sent him when he was considering buying.
It is quite plausible Tuan has never owned the tort in question and was indeed just trying to flip it for a quick profit (poor tort!)
Either way it would mean the doc is lying as he either did sell it to Tuan or was trying to sell it to Tuan meaning it most certainly is not dead as he claimed.

Read posts 25 and 34... this has already been answered multiple times.

 

[Fangthane]

Read posts 25 and 34... this has already been answered multiple times.

No, it hasn't - at least, not beyond doubt. The broken English makes the statements in the screenshots more than a little ambiguous. Maybe not a popular opinion, but I think the choice to not come forward and help clear things up is saying some unflattering things about Kytuan. While he clearly lacks the inclination, I disagree with the idea that he doesn't have some responsibility to help expose the truth.

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to discount posts that don't fit with your own interpretation of events, since the following one raises an extremely plausible scenario:

This is not exactly true. When I was first asked about this tortoise only three days ago by Tuan, what I told him was that no #443 offspring were sold directly to Ici Li by any of the three people who have owned dam #443, but that did not mean Ici Li didn't purchase the male from someone who DID buy one of the many #443 offspring. I told him to ask Ici Li from whom he bought the tortoise and knowing that information might enable me to confirm the claim.

Tuan declined to ask Ici Li for that information and told me that he had not bothered asking Ici Li about it because he (Tuan) decided against buying the tortoise because the asking price of $6500 was too high. The confusing thing to me upon reading this thread was that Tuan had told me Ici Li was selling the tortoise and never mentioned anything about Robert Brunner.

I also found out that just yesterday Tuan was attempting to trade this same tortoise to yet another person (Jerry Carucci) when Jerry asked me for my opinion of the animal and sent me photos of the tortoise in the same pen as those which Tuan had sent me on Monday.

I am left with the question of how and why Robert Brunner would know what I had told Tuan only a day or so ago because I have never had any communication with Robert Brunner in any form. Furthermore, if Dr. Brunner doesn't still have the tortoise, why would he need or be given that information by Tuan?

To m, it seems quite possible Robert Brunner still has the tortoise and was offering it to Tuan which prompted Tuan to contact me on Monday. Was Tuan then trying to "flip" the tortoise before even buying it when he offered to trade or sell it Jerry Carucci yesterday? I believe it would appear that way to most thinking people. This is very likely why Tuan cannot post a photo of the tortoise next to a paper with the date on it which I believe someone requested a few posts ago (because the tortoise is not in his possession).

All of the above makes it extremely hard to know who and what to believe in this debacle as far as I am concerned.

The last bold part is something you apparently didn't bother to consider. How much sense would it make to spend thousands on an animal before confirming its lineage? Admittedly anecdotal, but still worth considering.

I think too much of this thread is relying on unverified statements from people who have no apparent interest in being forthright. Considering the above - as well as the choice to remain in the shadows - I'm not sure I can see much reason to take Tuan's word any more seriously than anyone else's in this situation. The tortoise is most likely still alive, but who actually possesses it isn't clear at all.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Would be very helpful if Kytuan would give some input on this deal, he was viewing the thread earlier today.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Ici, I'm curious, when Kytuan was asking you about lineage information, why did you keep asking 'What was your offering price?' 'What's your offer?' (in post #34)?

 

[Bobby Douglass]

I wouldn't deal with either of these guys. I believe Mr. Brunner is a lying thief. Mr. Li is rude and condescending to the members posting in his thread that are trying to help figure the story out. Nothing has been proven by either party in my opinion.

 

[worldismarble]

Ici, I'm curious, when Kytuan was asking you about lineage information, why did you keep asking 'What was your offering price?' 'What's your offer?' (in post #34)?

At that point, I was completely certain that Dr. Robert "Bobby" Brunner had indeed forged the death certificate and the tortoise I sold him was still alive. The weight of my initial suspicions coming true was becoming a reality for me, and I sought to know the price Tuan paid Robert for the tortoise -- any bit of information that could shed light on his deal with Dr. Brunner could prove to be helpful.

I think what folks are overlooking is that regardless of whether the tortoise died, I am owed $1300 by Robert. However, what has been revealed in this thread is actually something far more sinister, and even illegal -- that Robert was willing to go to great lengths, even as far as forging a death certificate from Parrots of the World in an attempt to extricate himself from his debt to me.

It is completely flabbergasting to my mind why any individual in a highly competitive profession requiring 10+ years and many tens of thousands of dollars in education and training would be willing to tarnish his reputation in the public eye any way, let alone on a tortoise deal worth only $5k. I'm not sure if it's pathetic or just downright crazy. The layers of lies and deception Robert was willing to put himself through can only be described as a testament of his insanity.

 

[Dro B]

Bill, if you've been paying attention in this thread, Robert Brunner confirmed a few pages back that he did indeed do a deal with a Tuan, but it was for a "different" radiated tortoise.

In addition, Tuan has no dog in this fight and no motivation nor incentive to post anything. I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that he "cannot post a photo of the tortoise next to a paper with the date on it."

I think you are kind of missing the point here. Posting a picture as a favor to you isn't something that is wrong, rude, or innapropriate of you to ask of him. Of course he has the right to say no, but the way you put it makes it sound like you may be making excuses to people who may think you are a liar as the most appropriate reason for you not getting it from him should be "I asked him and he said no/he cant/doesn't want to. The way you are phrasing it makes it seem as if you may be trying to avoid even trying to ask this guy is kind of the point people are trying to make you understand, even if the majority of us beleive that you are the victim here. Transparency is the only way to keep people from forming conspiracy theories.

 

[tlmoon]

I wouldn't deal with either of these guys. I believe Mr. Brunner is a lying thief. Mr. Li is rude and condescending to the members posting in his thread that are trying to help figure the story out. Nothing has been proven by either party in my opinion.

I tend to agree. There are a lot of claims of "proof" on both sides but nothing conclusive has been posted. Using a wedding ring as collateral for a tort is just bizarre. If you're that short of cash, why would you put up your wedding ring? Don't buy the tort if you can't afford it. It's not like he's hocking it to buy groceries or pay the electric bill. Taking your daughter along when meeting a scary person? Also very strange. I don't think the doc realizes how odd these behaviors seem to others.

Ici, if you are an honest person and you really got scammed, then I'm sorry that happened. But saying that the vet documents are fake doesn't prove that they are. It's just your word against his. And continually posting "proof" from this third party person with no verification also doesn't cut it.

I think there is something sketchy going on, maybe you both caught up scamming each other, who knows? I'd wager the real story is probably even more convoluted than the strange story posted here.

 

[Lucille]

I tend to agree. There are a lot of claims of "proof" on both sides but nothing conclusive has been posted. Using a wedding ring as collateral for a tort is just bizarre.

I agree, if in fact this was a wedding ring. In another thread, Brunner offers some watches as part of a trade (and was turned down).

The offer he made me was for some watches

Of course, in most circumstances two adults can and should be able to strike any deal they want as far as exchanges and values, but I am interested in whether Brunner's trade items are

A) Actual items of value and what Brunner says they are, in which case it is to me bizarre to use one's wedding ring as collateral on a tortoise deal, or
B) A box of worthless baubles, each having a made up story in order to boost their value in a trade.

If Ici has the time, he could take the ring to one of the many many jewelry shops in NYC, offer to sell it, and get a written purchase offer which would serve to help determine its value.

 

[juliasara]

I was wondering the about the ring too and meant to ask before how lci knew the ring is fake. The pics of it he posted are not close enough to see if there are any markings on the inside of the ring. I really hope lci takes Lucille'said advice and has a pawn shop or jeweler give him a written value of the ring.

 

[ElexisC]

Ok...NOW I remember you! You are the Dr. Who pretended to have to go preform a surgery but got busted looking at the BOI when you were supposedly in the OR! ROFL! I just KNEW we were going to see more of you!

Hint: It doesn't change the validity (or lack there of...) of documents which prove your case by posting them here. In fact, your refusal to post these supposed documents actually makes you look like a liar. You wouldn't be lying again, would you Doctor...?

~Beau

I had thought that very early on while reading this, I'm still reading but yea I remember him saying he had to go do surgery and Lucille I believe pointed out that a doctor in his practice WOULD NOT be preforming surgery.

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[Lucille]

I think someone else pointed out about the practice, I caught him in a fib, he was here online, on Fauna after he said he was leaving to go do surgery:

Amazing what they can do these days. They must have a computer set up in the surgery suite and it must be tuned in to Fauna


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[worldismarble]

I think someone else pointed out about the practice, I caught him in a fib, he was here online, on Fauna after he said he was leaving to go do surgery:

For those reading this thread carefully, our good Doctor has made many "fibs."

 

[Lucille]

Speaking of fibs, Ici, have you got served yet or was that just another lie Brunner has perpetrated?

not the one that died!!!
YOU ARE THE FRAUD...Faking Texts
And posting my picture and info is Illegal

You will be getting small claims papers this week

And if you do anything to my wedding band ----You will pay alot more than its worth in court

 

[worldismarble]

Speaking of fibs, Ici, have you got served yet or was that just another lie Brunner has perpetrated?

I have text messages from Dr. Brunner going 2 months back claiming that he was going to take me to small claims court to sue me for not returning his fake ring. Even in this thread and in private messages, he has threatened to sue me. So far, nothing yet...!!

 

[Beyond GenetiX]

Speaking of fibs, Ici, have you got served yet or was that just another lie Brunner has perpetrated?

Now Lucille, the week isn't over yet.

 

[Lucille]

I have text messages from Dr. Brunner going 2 months back claiming that he was going to take me to small claims court to sue me for not returning his fake ring. Even in this thread and in private messages, he has threatened to sue me. So far, nothing yet...!!

If it is fake like you say he isn't going to get far, because you can't sue for the return of an item in New York small claims, only for $.
http://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/pdfs/smallclaimshandbook.pdf

 

[worldismarble]

If it is fake like you say he isn't going to get far, because you can't sue for the return of an item in New York small claims, only for $.
http://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/pdfs/smallclaimshandbook.pdf

I don't think the good doctor's intent was ever to sue me or to actually get anything from me other than what he has already taken. Dr. Robert Brunner's tactics are to intimidate, bully, and threaten in order to silence as he has demonstrated here as well as in the other BOI thread.