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Hues1 said:
Monte...I respect you a great deal because of your "neutral" level thinking and also because we've done business in the past.

But here are the FACTS...

All Mack snows were received by me around the first friday of November 04...all passed health and fecal examinations. All Macks were then again examined in the first week of December (secondary/follow up) all passed examination. All animals came exclusively and directly from John Mack...all animals were held onto from the first week of Novemeber 04 and non were shipped until the first week of January 05...(almost 8 weeks of isolation and non-contact with ANY other reptile...they were ALL housed INDIVIDUALLY in shoebox sized rack units). I for one am very cautious with my collection and my reputation as being able to provide healthy/parasite free animals...thus the holding period prior to shipping.

Then there are 2 Mack owners who have already stated here on this thread that they have done 2 more follow up fecals/examinations and both of those Mack snows came back with clean bills of health. We have a 3rd. Mack owner who claims their gecko is healthy and in tip top shape...albeit a fecal hasnt been done, but the Mack has been in their possession for over a 3 weeks now.

Now we have lubinsky and poe...no quarantine and no ethics...they receive the Mack male and immediately proceed to breed him with their females.

once again...where did it pick up amoebas from ?
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How do we know it actually had ameobas? because Poe said it did? So far you have spent 56 pages proving he is a liar, why are you so sure he is telling the truth now?
 
How do we know it actually had ameobas? because Poe said it did? So far you have spent 56 pages proving he is a liar, why are you so sure he is telling the truth now?
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do you honestly really think this went on for 56 pages solely because of amoebas ?
 
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But here are the FACTS...
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once again...where did it pick up amoebas from ?
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Alex, don't worry. No one in their right mind thinks it came from you. We can see the facts from reading the other posts. It is staring us in the face.
 
My point to the above post was that it is highly unlikely if not impossible for the bug to have come from Alex Hue or Dan L...... It was either a totally fabricated story on Dan Ps part to try and save face by making someone else look bad or the snow caught the bug from Dan Ps infected collection.... Thats all I was saying......
 
uh , from feeders most likely . the gecko was fine when he arrived . the females i put him with are completely negative . its really none of your business . it does not affect you . i am the one who has to deal with it , and care for the animal , and i am doing that just fine . get a life Alex !
 
Dan L, I knew why you posted about the red stripe male, you were mad at me and lashing out. I know it was not you that called me, no need to post phone bills. I have met you and I am pretty sure you would not do such a thing and say such horrible things. I am about to call SW Bell to find out for sure, but after I listened to the message several times again this morning, I am thinking it has to be a young kid. I don't know for sure that it was anyone involved in this thread. I will post the results of my conversation with SW Bell and when I know for sure who left the message. Basically it was someone screaming how mad they are at me and how I am ruining their life. Whoever it was said I suck and my husband sucks and even said something about my son Conor. They also said our reptiles suck. So you can see why I thought it had something to do with this thread.
 
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do you honestly really think this went on for 56 pages solely because of amoebas ?
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No, but it was listed as a FACT in your previous post, which is why I wondered where the proof was that they existed.
 
Alex like I told you before, some people do not fully read the thread or the posts within it...... They see what they like and only then, do they stick their neck into it..... Sometimes all it takes is someones name to trigger them to start in on the thread....
 
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No, but it was listed as a FACT in your previous post, which is why I wondered where the proof was that they existed.
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Actually it was list as fact by Dan Poe himself..... So I still do not see where Monte can say I was assuming anything.....

Anyway, How have you been Sam..... How is the family????
 
Gregg M said:
Alex like I told you before, some people do not fully read the thread or the posts within it...... They see what they like and only then, do they stick their neck into it..... Sometimes all it takes is someones name to trigger them to start in on the thread....
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Gregg, was that directed at me? Because I have been reading this from the get go, I chose not to post before now because I had nothing to say, now I had a question so I posted it..... it still has yet to be answered.
 
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uh , from feeders most likely . the gecko was fine when he arrived . the females i put him with are completely negative . its really none of your business . it does not affect you . i am the one who has to deal with it , and care for the animal , and i am doing that just fine . get a life Alex !
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If it came from the feeders then would it not be throughout your entire collection then??...... just a thought.

i would doubt that comment about the feeders unless you want to name the company...
 
Gregg M said:
Actually it was list as fact by Dan Poe himself..... So I still do not see where Monte can say I was assuming anything.....

Anyway, How have you been Sam..... How is the family????
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Which leads back to my first statement, if this whole thread is about Poe being a liar, how can you then trust this as a FACT? I think it is being easily accepted as a fact because it further makes him look bad, if it was something that made him look good, no one would accept it as fact....

And things are good, family is great. How is your new baby? Getting much sleep.... :raspberry
 
No, but it was listed as a FACT in your previous post, which is why I wondered where the proof was that they existed.
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So if they didnt exist and the e-mail poe sent to Chris of TSE claiming his Mack snow has amoebas was all fabricated and a way to "get back" at me for not selling him a Mack snow.....this is suppopse to change the fact that he's unethical, undermining and a liar ? or is it suppose to change the fact that amoebas didnt originate from lubinsky and he isnt a liar, undermining BS artist ?

Or maybe because poe might've possibly lied about having amoebas that we should just not talk about it and act like because we're not sure if he has it or not then we should give him the benefit of the doubt and HOPE he doesnt pass it around ?

Or maybe we should be doing EXACTLY what we're doing and that is to be proactive about it and assume he has it because he claimed to have amoebas himself... dont know about you...but if someone tells me they "Think" they MAY have amoebas in their collection...I run run run far away.

poe didnt even say he "thought" he had amoebas...he stated "my Mack snow has Amoebas"
 
Sam, you should know better than that..... If it was directed at you I would have quoted you..... It was aimed at Monte..... I thought I cleared that up in the post bellow..... I can see where you might think I was talking to you though.... Sorry for the confusion Sam....
 
Hues1 said:
So if they didnt exist and the e-mail poe sent to Chris of TSE claiming his Mack snow has amoebas was all fabricated and a way to "get back" at me for not selling him a Mack snow.....this is suppopse to change the fact that he's unethical, undermining and a liar ? or is it suppose to change the fact that amoebas didnt originate from lubinsky and he isnt a liar, undermining BS artist ?

Or maybe because poe might've possibly lied about having amoebas that we should jut not talk about it and act like because we're not sure if he has it or not then we should give him the benefit of the doubt and HOPE he doesnt pass it around ?

Or maybe we should be doing EXACTLY what we're doing and that is to be proactive about it and assume he has it because he claimed to have amoebas himself... dont know about you...but if someone tells me they "Think" they MAY have amoebas in their collection...I run run run far away.

poe didnt even say he "thought" he had amoebas...he stated "my Mackk snow has Amoebas"
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I agree alex. He's going on about it as if it was pinworms....
 
Gregg,

Sorry - but I'm not trying to preach to you at all. I was just hoping I could stop you from getting athlete's tongue from sticking your foot in your mouth so much. hehe.

Oh come on now, I don't care who you are, now that's funny!

Seriously - I think that a lot of stuff needs to be sorted out before you go casting about with your synopsis/commmentary.

signed,

the Hippie . . .

PS - Alex, thanks for the info. I just don't want anyone to jump the gun, that's all. I have no problem with you.
 

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like I said Monte, I do not need you to do anything for me..... Maybe one thing.... Point out where I put my foot in my mouth.....
 
Hues1 said:
So if they didnt exist and the e-mail poe sent to Chris of TSE claiming his Mack snow has amoebas was all fabricated and a way to "get back" at me for not selling him a Mack snow.....this is suppopse to change the fact that he's unethical, undermining and a liar ? or is it suppose to change the fact that amoebas didnt originate from lubinsky and he isnt a liar, undermining BS artist ?

Or maybe because poe might've possibly lied about having amoebas that we should jut not talk about it and act like because we're not sure if he has it or not then we should give him the benefit of the doubt and HOPE he doesnt pass it around ?

Or maybe we should be doing EXACTLY what we're doing and that is to be proactive about it and assume he has it because he claimed to have amoebas himself... dont know about you...but if someone tells me they "Think" they MAY have amoebas in their collection...I run run run far away.

poe didnt even say he "thought" he had amoebas...he stated "my Mackk snow has Amoebas"
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Alex, I think you are closer to the mark in your first paragraph, and I for one am not suggesting that Poe isn't unethical, undermining, or a liar, as this thread has shown.

All I am saying is that you can't say it's a fact when there is no proof just because it further proves YOUR point. Especially if you are using that claim against another poster simply because he hasn't jumped on the "Lynch Poe Bandwagon."

The thread has served it's purpose of exposing what was done in regards to your snow project, any further regurgitating of the same info is just beating a dead horse and providing cheap entertainment to the masses.

Take the high road and put this think to bed already, you have exposed the plot, and proven your point, what could you gain from further dragging it out? Certainly losing your temper and ranting about how you were F***Ed isn't putting a very positive shine on you or the people you may represent.
 
Take the high road and put this think to bed already, you have exposed the plot, and proven your point, what could you gain from further dragging it out? Certainly losing your temper and ranting about how you were F***Ed isn't putting a very positive shine on you or the people you may represent
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You know Sam...I would usually take you up on the offer...but unless you spent the time, energy, preperation, and 10's of thousands of dollars to ensure that EVERYONE associated with this project is successful with it based on YOUR word alone...then I hate to say it bud, but you dont really know how it feels.

I've proven my point....that I agree with, but non the less...if someone wants to challenge my points as in the case of poe and lubinsky, I believe I have every right ot defend my opinion, facts and point as much as they have the right ot try and refute everything thats occured up til now.
 
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