Sounds like a deal...
Vinny won't talk about his bites and we won't mention it. Lets have no more
Vinny won't talk about his bites and we won't mention it. Lets have no more
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getting " envenomated " can get you ........
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old guy
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Well.,,,,I AM old and
wondering how this all got away with these NUMEROUS post that I made thread wise originally ! LOL ! Seriously though > some of you keeping , wanting to keep or whatever on venomous doesn't or won't even be a part of that equation at least in my state because the bill has been passed as to BAN the keeping of hots I just found out. So...............
wondering how this all got away with these NUMEROUS post that I made thread wise originally ! LOL ! Seriously though > some of you keeping , wanting to keep or whatever on venomous doesn't or won't even be a part of that equation at least in my state because the bill has been passed as to BAN the keeping of hots I just found out. So...............
Vinny D said:
Venomous ban in Kansas...
Mike,
Will that effect the Rattlesnake Round-ups in Kansas? Any excemption clauses or permits available?
Mike,
Will that effect the Rattlesnake Round-ups in Kansas? Any excemption clauses or permits available?
Also back to the original question...
"kicked out of some zoo related jobs while on duty or can get you FLUNKED out of some herp classes/schools/colleges while attending. Anybody know or is aware of this ? We have a private school in the KC area that use to auto flunk you in the advent you got tagged while in class or field trip. I don't know if it could happen while not attending class or the above, let's say at home or whatever. I do know that while the class was down in the Yucatan Peninsula that the Professor warned of such and one in particular individual got reprimanded for picking up a small snake without edifying the species which happened to be a micrurus ( coral snake ) of non normal micrurus coloration !"
I do know of a Texas University Professor that tells his students that if they get bit in the field they automatically fail the class.
"kicked out of some zoo related jobs while on duty or can get you FLUNKED out of some herp classes/schools/colleges while attending. Anybody know or is aware of this ? We have a private school in the KC area that use to auto flunk you in the advent you got tagged while in class or field trip. I don't know if it could happen while not attending class or the above, let's say at home or whatever. I do know that while the class was down in the Yucatan Peninsula that the Professor warned of such and one in particular individual got reprimanded for picking up a small snake without edifying the species which happened to be a micrurus ( coral snake ) of non normal micrurus coloration !"
I do know of a Texas University Professor that tells his students that if they get bit in the field they automatically fail the class.
old guy
New member
One word > NO ! And it just got worse..........
From the last several years to my knowledge ! The up coming event of the Sharon Springs Rattlesnake roundup : Special event hunting date > 4/15 through 5/14 with festival on 5/13-5/14/06. Open area for commercial basis that allows snakes < ? and parts to be sold ( to whom and for what reason ? Back to the event ? ) This is very vague or I'm having a reading/sight/understanding problem. The permit allows 10 Prairie rattlers ( I'm sure in the past several years it was only 5 ) per day. Any other species will not be allowed < oh >! If I read it right and knowing the years past > a special permit ( cheap ! ) is available for the event and leading up to it making the normal resident and non-resident hunting license not necessary ( if I read it right ). This was an update just recently on the state wildlife web-site.
As I have stated on several herp web forums, try to find out about the recent ban and the leading proposal before passing of the ban of keeping hots in Kansas ! it's there but a normal or even above normal intelligent herper can't find it on the wildlife web-site even as a proposal regulation or even updated regulation/bill presented/ passed. This is what really p****s me off !
From the last several years to my knowledge ! The up coming event of the Sharon Springs Rattlesnake roundup : Special event hunting date > 4/15 through 5/14 with festival on 5/13-5/14/06. Open area for commercial basis that allows snakes < ? and parts to be sold ( to whom and for what reason ? Back to the event ? ) This is very vague or I'm having a reading/sight/understanding problem. The permit allows 10 Prairie rattlers ( I'm sure in the past several years it was only 5 ) per day. Any other species will not be allowed < oh >! If I read it right and knowing the years past > a special permit ( cheap ! ) is available for the event and leading up to it making the normal resident and non-resident hunting license not necessary ( if I read it right ). This was an update just recently on the state wildlife web-site.
As I have stated on several herp web forums, try to find out about the recent ban and the leading proposal before passing of the ban of keeping hots in Kansas ! it's there but a normal or even above normal intelligent herper can't find it on the wildlife web-site even as a proposal regulation or even updated regulation/bill presented/ passed. This is what really p****s me off !
Tim Cole said:
Vinny D
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Venomous Laws
I think their were so many posts. Because it took a long time to TRY and get my point across. And about the banning of venomous reptiles in some states. Right now me my mom and the curator at the zoo, are trying to get a bill pased, so that people cant just go to a show, with no venomous reptile experience at all. And buy a death adder or something. That will cause almost instent death with out the proper AV and you cant get death adder AV here in PA. last year at the Hamburg, Pa show i witnessed a 16 year old kid bought a fremale north Australian death adder, i asked him if he had ever worked with venomous reptiles before. His answer was no so, i had him take the snake back to the seller. And i told the seller that he was only 16, and you think a death adder is a good first hot? it made me feel good because if i wouldent have said anything, and that kid went home and it seemed nice and went to hold it and it nailed him. and i read about it in the papper or news. i would have felt really bad.
old guy said:
I think their were so many posts. Because it took a long time to TRY and get my point across. And about the banning of venomous reptiles in some states. Right now me my mom and the curator at the zoo, are trying to get a bill pased, so that people cant just go to a show, with no venomous reptile experience at all. And buy a death adder or something. That will cause almost instent death with out the proper AV and you cant get death adder AV here in PA. last year at the Hamburg, Pa show i witnessed a 16 year old kid bought a fremale north Australian death adder, i asked him if he had ever worked with venomous reptiles before. His answer was no so, i had him take the snake back to the seller. And i told the seller that he was only 16, and you think a death adder is a good first hot? it made me feel good because if i wouldent have said anything, and that kid went home and it seemed nice and went to hold it and it nailed him. and i read about it in the papper or news. i would have felt really bad.
Rockford
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Awesome.....just what experienced and responsible hot keepers need.....more legislation.
YOUR ACTIONS ALONG WITH OTHERS WILL DEFINITELY LEAD TO FUTURE LAWS BANNING COMPLETE POSSESION BY EXPERIENCED AND RESPONSIBLE KEEPERS AS WELL.
Great job Vinny..........
YOUR ACTIONS ALONG WITH OTHERS WILL DEFINITELY LEAD TO FUTURE LAWS BANNING COMPLETE POSSESION BY EXPERIENCED AND RESPONSIBLE KEEPERS AS WELL.
Great job Vinny..........
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Like I said before, Vinny, you are our worst enemy. Not only did your carelessness, irresponsibility, (and ,yes, stupidity) earn you two venomous bites (or do we count that shed fang incident as a bite, too?), but now you are turning into the legislative poster boy??Vinny D said:
Don't get me wrong, I understand your mom being upset about your bites (I'm sure they cost her a fortune, both financially and emotionally) and wanting to turn this into HER cause; but WTF are you doing there. Let me guess, if you (the great and experienced 19yo "herpetologist") cannot manage to keep himself out of range of fang...how can a lesser mortal be expected to do so.
Just remember Vinny - once you set the wheels in motion, they spin on their own...you can't control where they go, or where/when they stop.
Scott Ashton
Gnitubirtnoc Rebmem
Vinny and his mom are poster children for legislation/regulation.
They need the government to protect them due to their lack of the ability to make intelligent, informed decisions. And if Vinny and his mom can't negotiate daily life without guidance from the government, how could anyone else?
Its people like the Dragos that suck the teet of the government raw and empower politicians to protect us all.
They need the government to protect them due to their lack of the ability to make intelligent, informed decisions. And if Vinny and his mom can't negotiate daily life without guidance from the government, how could anyone else?
Its people like the Dragos that suck the teet of the government raw and empower politicians to protect us all.
Vinny Vinny Vinny, We don't need any more legislation involving reptiles. All we need is EDUCATION. If people would use there head, and learn about something FIRST, before going and obtaining it, (includes handling, restraining, husbandry, available antivenins, etc) and then treat it as a responsibility, (which any pet is) we would not be reading stories about 16 yr olds getting themselve envenomated. Either by S.F.E. (stupid feeding error), S.H.E. (stupid handling error), or self impalation of shed fangs.
I am starting to believe you are one those who is real hard to learn, for the simple fact you BELIEVE you know more than you do, and so don't take criticism well. Criticism is how we learn and get better at things. Or at least ONE way. LOL I am not saying it to come down on you either. Just saying, sometimes we ALL need to step back and take a look at what others are saying. Especially if a lot of it is pointedly directed at You.
Rick
I am starting to believe you are one those who is real hard to learn, for the simple fact you BELIEVE you know more than you do, and so don't take criticism well. Criticism is how we learn and get better at things. Or at least ONE way. LOL I am not saying it to come down on you either. Just saying, sometimes we ALL need to step back and take a look at what others are saying. Especially if a lot of it is pointedly directed at You.
Rick
pasam
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But wasnt this you? You went out and got a snake and then acted stupid and got bit, twice!
old guy
New member
With the last post from Vinny
and other post from Vinny, I feel like I'm at a Alcohol recovery session where i did it but don't you do it ! LOL ~with all respects Vinny, I do not see it as to you or your mother or the so called curator job of trying to work on legislation or agendas of such as to your past incidents.
and other post from Vinny, I feel like I'm at a Alcohol recovery session where i did it but don't you do it ! LOL ~with all respects Vinny, I do not see it as to you or your mother or the so called curator job of trying to work on legislation or agendas of such as to your past incidents.
Vinny D
New member
OK, so you are saying that it's a bad idea for people who are NOT at all experienced with venomous reptiles, to be able to go to a, lets say Hamburg,Pa show. And get a venomous snake. i think it's you people that need to open some eyes and see that TRUE reptile hobbiest and/or professionals in their feild want people to have to volenteer at a zoo to get proper training. "i have grew up." You guys think that people needing to have a permit to keep venomous reptiles, is a bad thing well thats BULL. Because i know many herpetologists who think it is a awsome idea. Not to stop people from being able to keep venomous animals, but for all keepers to have ALL hots on record for the state and/or hospitals. Some people here in pa do not keep any kind of bite treatment information. Rember im from Florida, I grew up with the legislation involving reptiles, and it just expired a couple of months ago. So i guess that Dr. Bryan Fry or Brint Spencer and hundreds of other reptile experts think it a great idea, for the safty of hobbiests and reptiles a like. Im not a bad guy. i have grown up ALOUT. So if you honestly think that is such a horrible idea in the world of herpetology, well than i dont know what to say. And i know exactly what you all mean about this may ban hot's period, BUT their is alout of people including me "in the past", who didnt have the PROPER training with venomous reptiles who have them right now. Do you understand what i am saying? i just talked to a 13 year old kid in Ohio who just got a monocle cobra "NO LIE" i tryed to tell him, But this is what im trying to say. Im ALL ABOUT SAFTY in hot keeping now. Before it was just fun I WILL ADMIT THAT, but no more fun. I study and work with reptiles because i love them. i dont want people to not be able to keep venomous reptiles as long as they are experienced. And a permit will help out alout with that and you know it. Im not your worst enemy at all. So please stop saying that.
Vinny D
New member
OLDGUY, it has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MY ENVENOMATIONS, it is for the safty for hot keepers and thats it. Why do you think Florida's venomous leg, works so great. You dont thing it's a good idea????????
Vinny D
New member
shavemycoinpurse said:
It has nothing to do with that what so ever. like i said it is just for the people who are not experienced, and go to a show and buy a cobra to be cool. floridas laws are great. i can see that you DO NOT HAVE the respect for the safty of proper hot husbandry if you do not agree with a venomous permit system for keepers. it has nothing to do with being a POSTER boy!!
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
For the record, I don't have a problem with a reasonable license/permit system for a variety of reasons. I do have a problem with restrictive and prohibitive legislation. Florida is a world apart from Pennsylvania: from the number of importers/exporters and reptile dealers to the number and size of the reptile shows to the many reptile related attractions...reptiles, including venomous, are BIG business. There are a lot more people that are understanding, and accepting, of reptiles; and there is a whole lot more support for the rights of people to keep them (from the people that sell and exploit them)...And those supporters have a big voice and bring lots of revenue to the state. You aren't there any more, Vinny...its cold up here, in more ways than one. And you may have the best intentions in the world with what you are proposing, but I have seen the wheel in motion and it is scary. Being proactive and stepping up to the plate first can sometimes be a good thing, but you'd better have a good solid draft and A LOT of strong support before you present it. You mention safety, and the argument will be "well wouldn't it be safer not to have these dangerous animals in the first place." Then you have to try to defend why we should be allowed to keep venomous reptiles...and that is pretty much a losing battle. AND, with your history, you are (as I mentioned before) the perfect poster child for prohibitive legislation.
Scott Ashton
Gnitubirtnoc Rebmem
Vinny D said:
This has nothing to do with "respect for the safety of proper hot husbandry" and everything to do with unecessary legislation. Since you clearly have done extensive research on the need for such legislation in Pennsylvania perhaps you could share some of the data you have collected.
Tell me Vinny - how many teenagers other than yourself have been envenomated by venomous snakes in Pennsylvania in the past 5 years?
How many envenomations have there been to anyone in Pennsylvania (again other than yourself) in the past 5 years?
How many venomous animals are sold in the commonwealth each year?
What percentage of venomous animals sold in Pennsylvania are sold to those under the age of 18?
Vinny D
New member
Im pretty sure 6 people have been envenomated in the past 5 years, but only 2 in captivity including me.
As for how many hot's that were sold in PA i couldent tell you ALOUT. i go to just about every Hamburg show. and i see all kinds of species of hot's leaving the builging.
As far as how many people under the age of 18 have purchased a venomous snake since i have been here. All i know is ALOUT I NEVER see one vendor card someone at a show i have been too.
Im not trying to prove anything. I just think it is a good idea for a permit system in the state of PA, so that people cant just go buy a hot. thats all i was trying to say. this is not something i havent even started, but me and Brint and been talking about it for a while. And he is highly respeced in the world herpetology. I respect you guys and i have listened to alout of the great information i have received from you guys. I know what it is like to almost die from a snake bite.I just dont want it to happen to others.
As for how many hot's that were sold in PA i couldent tell you ALOUT. i go to just about every Hamburg show. and i see all kinds of species of hot's leaving the builging.
As far as how many people under the age of 18 have purchased a venomous snake since i have been here. All i know is ALOUT I NEVER see one vendor card someone at a show i have been too.
Im not trying to prove anything. I just think it is a good idea for a permit system in the state of PA, so that people cant just go buy a hot. thats all i was trying to say. this is not something i havent even started, but me and Brint and been talking about it for a while. And he is highly respeced in the world herpetology. I respect you guys and i have listened to alout of the great information i have received from you guys. I know what it is like to almost die from a snake bite.I just dont want it to happen to others.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
So, just for the record, you pretty much described yourself there, Vinny...except you keep going on about all your great experience. Given that, should somebody like you be allowed to purchase venomous?Vinny D said:
Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...what does a permit system have to do with the "safety of proper hot husbandry". As I've said before, you can't regulate stupidity...and reaching your hand into a hot's cage to change the water bowl is, well, stupid. Oh, I know, you've seen the error of your ways...you've learned ALOUT, and you are a responsible keeper now. But you keep talking about your "projects" with one breath, and swearing that you don't work with venomous anymore with the next.Vinny D said:
Is there anybody reading this thread that can't see Vinny on the poster?Vinny D said:
Well, Harald covered that one better than I could.
I'm not a Florida native, and don't have to deal with their laws or anything. But from what I understand, (and correct Me if I am wrong) their guidelines are based on EDUCATION. Meaning so many hours of school and so many hours under a "qualified, and licensed" hot keeper to even apply for the permit to own a hot. This is not a bad thing.
But, when you sart a movement like this it gets carried away fast if all angles are not thought out and planned and checked for loopholes, etc. etc. etc. Like Harald said, some will try for the "no hots at all" point of view, and sadly, a lot (not alout) of people will agree with this. The thing is, most of these people who have the voting power, have never even owned a lizard, let alone a snake, or venomous snake. Which makes them IMHO ignorant of the subject and having no business with this voting power.
Can you see where it would lead to? Bans and restrictive legislation from people who know virtually nothing about the black and white they are voting on.
Rick
I'm not a Florida native, and don't have to deal with their laws or anything. But from what I understand, (and correct Me if I am wrong) their guidelines are based on EDUCATION. Meaning so many hours of school and so many hours under a "qualified, and licensed" hot keeper to even apply for the permit to own a hot. This is not a bad thing.
But, when you sart a movement like this it gets carried away fast if all angles are not thought out and planned and checked for loopholes, etc. etc. etc. Like Harald said, some will try for the "no hots at all" point of view, and sadly, a lot (not alout) of people will agree with this. The thing is, most of these people who have the voting power, have never even owned a lizard, let alone a snake, or venomous snake. Which makes them IMHO ignorant of the subject and having no business with this voting power.
Can you see where it would lead to? Bans and restrictive legislation from people who know virtually nothing about the black and white they are voting on.
Rick