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getting " envenomated " can get you ........

crotalusadamanteus said:
I think the thing with bees, wasps and ants is that they are "immediate pain causing" venoms, and there for do not need the deadly effectiveness of an advanced "killing" neurotoxin. If the pain can drive the attacker away, thee is no need to kill.
Snake venoms however, you can sumize do not always cause pain. Actually, if i remember right, very few (in US) cause any pain at all till advanced stages of the envenomation. So the snake can still be killed, even eaten by the attacker, even if the attacker is bitten. So there would be a natural need for a faster acting, more toxic venom with snakes.
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Perhaps, but we are talking about a Mother Nature who has designed the spines on some lizards to kill a snake that eats one slightly too large when it can't spit it back up because of the orientation of the spines causing it to lodge in the throat. In effect, individuals are designed to die to save the species. If nature "decides" that the most effective way to save a species is by mutating to the point of killing off the main threat (humanity), well things could get interesting.....

Right at this moment, what one influence on this planet is the most threatening to most species existing today?
 
WebSlave said:
Right at this moment, what one influence on this planet is the most threatening to most species existing today?
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Politicians?

They control the threat of nuclear warfare, as well as biological warfare which may not be species specific.
Of course humanity in general influences many species, tailoring local flora and fauna to suit themselves.
 
"Right at this moment, what one influence on this planet is the most threatening to most species existing today?"
I think it's human prolificy. As we continue to multiply and take up more space and resources we're constantly squeezing what's left of the wildlife into smaller areas where competition for food and habitat is greatly increased. As we're forcing separate populations of animals to move closer together I think we're setting the stage for hybridization and other adaptations that could be made in an effort to survive in an increasingly harsh world. I think the mutation or evolution of certain venoms is a pure function of natural selection.
 
WebSlave said:
Perhaps, but we are talking about a Mother Nature who has designed the spines on some lizards to kill a snake that eats one slightly too large when it can't spit it back up because of the orientation of the spines causing it to lodge in the throat. In effect, individuals are designed to die to save the species. If nature "decides" that the most effective way to save a species is by mutating to the point of killing off the main threat (humanity), well things could get interesting.....

Right at this moment, what one influence on this planet is the most threatening to most species existing today?
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Vinny?.........................LOL Just kidding Vin. :D

Naturally, like has been pointed out, Man is a threat not only to all living creatures, but a threat to himself as well. We are a greedy, self-absorbed, and destructive animal. And what really sucks is that we have more resoning capabilities that do any other animal, and we still seemingly destroy everything we come across in the name of things like, education, industry, growth, and most of all (IMO) greed. And man in general looks down on animals as being "lesser". We have much to learn.

Interesting way to look at dying to save a species. Certainly not any less true. Mother nature has many lethal designs, in one way or another. Doesn't Australia have an extremely venomous and dangerous ant? Can't recall the name right now, but I seem to recall it messes up many people each year.

Rick
 
this is a very intresting subject. i hope we can learn alout more about the venom evolving right in front of your eyes. like i had said before mother nature controls what happend the human species dosent. and again about my C. Adamanteus envenomation. maybe it wasent 100% neurotoxic since my arm was so swollen. their had to have been some hemotoxic effects in that bite. but since i didnt have any necrosis (tissue damage) or compartment pressure like i did from the atheris chloroechis envenomation. no offence Rick lol. i will e-mail Dr. Bryan Fry about this very intresting subject. becides brint at the zoo Dr. Fry is probly the only person who will have a correst answer on this subject. great reacerch and thinking guys. and i can walk a little better now since my recent car accident. lol
 
Vinny D said:
i can walk a little better now since my recent car accident.
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That's kinda scary...I can only imagine how you walked before your accident, if it's better now. You must have super recuperative powers...just 2 1/2 days ago (a mere 60 hrs) you posted this
today i totalled my car, i broke my pelvis and 4 lower lumbars in my back. it hurts so bad
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Oh, never mind, I'm not going to start
 
hhmoore said:
That's kinda scary...I can only imagine how you walked before your accident, if it's better now. You must have super recuperative powers...just 2 1/2 days ago (a mere 60 hrs) you posted this

Oh, never mind, I'm not going to start
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LOL. I was going to call BS myself, broken pelvis most people would barely be conscious let alone sitting in front of a computer posting in forums. I took into consideration the character as shown in these several threads and figured why bother.
 
minor pelvic fractures might not lay him up too long (happens to women during childbirth all the time), but the fractured vertebrae should.
 
Vinny D said:
today i totalled my car, i broke my pelvis and 4 lower lumbars in my back. it hurts so bad. so take it easy on me lol j/p
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I thought he was joking when he posted that. Hence the "lol j/p" but even if he wasn't, with access to laptop computers and wireless internet, he could still be here, even after consuming large quantities of painkillers! :)
 
Well, you know, when I read that post from Vinny that he had just had an accident, the thought that went through my mind was "That guy just isn't living right........" I think he needs to run to the pharmacy and get a heaping supply of Luck Changing pills.

Vinny, not downing you or anything, but I think you need to change something in your lifestyle. The way you are going, you're never going to live to see retirement age.
 
are you kidding!! with god on his side like that..i think he might be the only one to reach retirement..sure he might be missing a couple of body parts..but still..haha :rofl: im just playin vinny :raspberry
 
hhmoore said:
minor pelvic fractures might not lay him up too long (happens to women during childbirth all the time), but the fractured vertebrae should.
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Don't have any experience with that Mechanism of Injury, I assume it's both isolated and "less severe". My experience is trauma related MOI's. Usually, not always (my experience), it takes a bit of trauma to fx a pelvis, and there is usually peripheral damage. I have known a person to be able to walk (with much pain, and only for very short distances), but none of them had fx vertebrae let alone four. I'm sceptical that someone broke their pelvis AND four vertebrae, and the same day? is posting on forums. I could be wrong though.
 
ladyserpent7 said:
here we go again..sigh :no01: :willy_nil does this poor guy have to defend every little statement..cut some slack boys :raspberry
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Every little statement, NO, but his posts from the gitgo have been very grandiose, or something. Maybe toned down posts would be a little more believable.
 
yes, i did total my car and broke my pelvis. but not completley broke it in half so it only hurt's when i put pressure on my left leg. so why dont you ask before you post something like that. and i also broke 4 lower lumbars in my lower back. which dosent hurt that bad. only when i twist my back or bend over. i could walk just fine before the car accident. even though i was a starting point guard and quarterback through middle and high school years. so thanks for being so nice.
 
thanks web slave. but i cant help it if some one cut;s right in front of me while im driving. accidents happen. either a car or snake bite. my life is good. except for the pain in my groin lol. but stuff happens. and for me to over come all of this makes me a strong person. unlike some of you who sit on the comp 24/7 trying to find 1 little thing that tryes to make you look better by putting me down. so are we going to start this again. i hope not!!! it was just a minor fracture to the left side of my pelvis which does really hurt. about the vroken vertabra in my back i might need surgery. but the doctors(people who know about this stuff. not you ppl) say thay think ill be ok. so please lets not all jump on vinny again ok. thanks for reading
 
yes, im on some good pain killer's but i dont have a laptop yet. im getting one so i dont half to limp my a** to the comp room. the broken vertabra in my lower back isnt major or they would have alrady done surgery on it. it only hurts when i put pressure on my left leg, bend over or turn my back. sitting in the comp chair dosent hurt that bad. so do i half to appoligise for some 1 cutting me off. yes i was speeding, but i was only doing like 10 over the limit so it would have happened anyway or maybe not. i was driving and the on comming car didnt have his/her turn signal on so i didnt think anything of it. then they turned right in front of me. i had 2 choises hit the car or swirve to miss it so i swerved and lost control. i went through a fence and pushed a hugh a"" bolder about 15' give or take. when it was over i opened my eyes and all i could see was dust and the witnesses running to my car. the car that cut me off kept going and never came back. when EMT got their they had to cut my door off to get me out, even though my passinger side was fine. i dont know why i couldent get out that way. probly so i didnt get hurt anymore. so if you guys think i was wrong for getting into a car accident which waset my fault you have issues. thanks
 
Vinny D said:
yes, i did total my car and broke my pelvis. but not completley broke it in half so it only hurt's when i put pressure on my left leg. so why dont you ask before you post something like that. and i also broke 4 lower lumbars in my lower back. which dosent hurt that bad. only when i twist my back or bend over. i could walk just fine before the car accident. even though i was a starting point guard and quarterback through middle and high school years. so thanks for being so nice.
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You are blessed. In my experience as a nurse, most fractures I have dealt with are accompanied by a lot of pain and swelling, so you are very lucky not to have those symptoms.
 
thank you. i know i do have a little swelling and brusing around where my pelvis is fractured but not in my back. and if it wasent for the pain killers i wouldent be sitting on the comp right know lol thanks for your concern...
 
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