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GILBERT THOMPSON

One of the really annoying things about the computer and these types of forums is that EVERYONE gets to be 6'4' and 250lbs.  I think it's totally hilarious that people, who don't know each other, won't do business with each other, and couldn't pick each other out of a crowd if their lives depended on it, start talking about how tough they are and how sorry everyone else is going to be at the next big reptile show.  Yeah.  Right.  Whatever.

I was talking to Evan Stahl about this at the Tinley Park show this past weekend, and we had a pretty good laugh about the "Conan of the Computer" syndrome.  Me?  Oh, I'm a creampuff!

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Other  than Dana's name being at the top of the post, I did not refer to her at all.  I doubt she took any offense.  I was answering a comment she made in the first paragraph of my post
 
HEY GILBERT, YOU SAY I AM WRONG ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAID. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US ALL EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN. I DEAL IN FACTS AND I STATED THEM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTRADICT THEM, PLEASE DO SO, AS WE ARE ALL WAITING. AS FAR AS YOUR MEANINGLESS THREATS, I WILL BE AT THE DIXIE REPTILE SHOW IN BIRMINGHAM, AL THIS SATURDAY AND WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS THIS FACE TO FACE. I'M A MAN OF MY WORD AND I CAN BACK UP ANYTHING I SAY. I'M NOT HIDING BEHIND MY COMPUTER. I WILL EVEN MAKE SURE I POST A PICTURE OF MYSELF ON MY PICTURE TRAIL ALBUM FOR YOU, SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE ME. I WON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TAKE THE FIRST PUNCH TOUGH GUY!! TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND CUSTOMERS, I KNOW I SAID I WOULD STOP RESPONDING TO THIS IGNORANCE, BUT I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF! PEOPLE LIKE GILBERT ARE WHAT'S RUINING THIS HOBBY.
 
I have tried for a couple days, very hard to not touch this topic. I can't leave it alone after some of the comments Gilbert has made here.

Gilbert APPROACHED ME with a VERY substanital dollar value trade. If I remember correctly it was $12,000 or $14,000 we were discussing. He repeated put together lists of my animals to go against lists of his animals to work out a trade. In a period of less than a week he changed his mind about 5 times. I did not get upset because we spent hours on the phone and he is just a really super guy.

So finally, I did get upset when after he told me that we had a deal, 100% done, I saw the animals listed on Kingsnake.com. I told him that I was upset and he told me that he was really sorry and that he just really didn't know what he wanted to do. At this point I apologized and told him that I really enjoyed talking with him and thought he was a super guy but that his indecision lost me many large sales on the animals that he had now decided he no longer wanted and that I would be happy to keep in touch but chose to not do business with him.

He then emailed me offering a couple other trades. I declined. Repeating my above comments.

At this point, he asked me for a reference to deal with other people. I nicely told him that I was not able to be a business reference as I have never had a transaction with him. He then got nasty and sent me a threatening email. I told him that I was sorry but was not going to tell other people that he was great to deal with and that in fact, he was lucky that I did not tell them he was a pain to deal with.

I then blocked his email. I did not hear from him again until he posted something on a thread about me that I was a good guy. And Gilbert, I really do appreciate that, but the same goes for me that goes for you. How can you recommend doing business with me when you never have?

The reason that I am posting here now is because of a comment that Gilbert made that I take as VERY OFFENSIVE!

"I don't have to sale an animal to live. I make my money elsewhere. Therefore, I feel I can give better guarentees and stand behind my animals no matter what."

I tell you what Gilbert. I DO make my living producing and selling animals. That is all that I do. I have done this for 15 years now. And I am willing to bet anything that after I work 25-28 days a month on average with my animals for 15-20 hours a day that I am much more aware of my animals and can offer much more to my customer.  I also find it funny that you would insult Joe Dembinski (who is a super guy by the way) by labeling him an animal peddler when all that you have to sell you bought! You are not selling anything you produced! All of the Hondurans that you committed to taking and left me hanging on, I PRODUCED HERE.

And I realize that as you have done to every other person here, you will probably make a personal attack on me here, so I guess I will end by reminding you that you called around to a bunch of important people in this industry to get references on me before we dealt and they all gave you excellent reviews of transactions with me and yet you still jerked me around and backed out of all of our deals.

That is my two cents. Evan Stahl
 
I have stated before and do again that I am not a snake person.  I am also not a hypocrite.  I once posted in the Dan Bifield threat that if he simply admitted his fault and said he was sorry and tried to bring things on the level, that he would have a chance at saving a sliver of reputation.  In the beginning of this thread, I lost some respect for Gilbert's way of doing business as a purchaser.  Somewhere around page 2-3 I bgan to (for some reason) think that Gilbert was getting burned more than necessary.  That all changed with the childish antics.  Here now, though, he is admitting that he was being childish and has apologized for it.  

Before this thread, I accorded Gilbert as much respect with regards to what he said as I do anyone on this board.  After this, I will accord him less respect than I did, but much more so than if he had not apologized for his responses.  

Gilbert, I'm sure a lot of people lost respect for you due to the manner in which you responded before.  Your apology may not mean something to everyone, nor am I completely sure that I buy into it, hook, line, and sinker, but it is a start, and it did not go unnoticed.  I hope you continue in this more professional manner, and take your lumps when you've got them coming.

If anyone feels I missed something, or that this assesment is in error, please let me know.
 
I got upset and forgot, Darin, you are so right. It was good to talk with you even though we talked about such lame people! I guess that you could pick me out of crowd at a show if you saw the 5' banner above my booth or the shirt I wear with my name on it! Just giving you a hard time. oh, and I'm only 6' but unfortunately pushing 240 lbs! Evan Stahl
 
I am sorry you feel that way Bill.  I will infact be at that show.  I will not bring anything to you.  If you feel you have something to do.  Then by all means do it.  I will in trun email you a pic of me.

Evan, You have the right to say everyhting you did.  I changed my mind alot.  I still think despite the fact you spoke of me the way you did.  That you are a good guy.  If you knew me personally you would also feel different.

Humblely taking lumps!
Gilbert Thompson
 
Not to side with Gilbert, but I do believe he his in law enforcement. My brother is a Columbus Police officer and some of the "wording" Gilbert used in our conversations will only lead me to believe he is. I also know a well known breeder (who I trust) who also confirmed to me that he was, and her word is good enough for me, even though she also stated that you have been known to back out on deals.

I know there are bad cops, just as theres bad dealers and breeders. But there are MANY more good cops out there and Id hate to see this thread even change ones persons thoughts on the matter. I have befriended many on the force and actually some are customers. And for the record, NO Im not stating if Gilbert is or isnt, a good cop. This thread isnt about his job and how he does it.

Now, with that being said. You called me a "peddler". If your referring to that fact that I sale and re sale herps. Then, I guess Im a "pettler". Has anyone bought and re sold herps ? Be it once or hundreds of times, then your a peddler. I see you sold those Beadeds Gilbert, didnt you buy them ? Well, if you did and did re sale them, then your a "pettler" too. If thats the worst I am, then so be it. I have befriended many of the top breeders in this hobby and they have come to me on many occasions for personal stock, so they apparently know what kind of quality they will be getting. I do NOT sell stock that isnt in my hands or have things on consignment. Never have and never will. I mainly stick with honest breeders and 90% of the time its their stock Im selling. Because I do cash, trade and trade/cash deals. I give not only the breeder, but my customers another avenue to aquire what their looking for (some breeders and dealers may not want what their offering in trade or want straight cash). I only sell herps that meet my level of quality. If they fall short, then Im upfront about it (be it color, size, feeding, etc.). If you heard something so negative about me, then state it here or email me and state who and what was said ? Im curious. I cant think of a single person that can say I did them wrong in any deal. I can honestly say Im friends with ALOT of my customers and keep in regular contact. I work full time and this is a hobby. This is why I love this hobby so much, IS because of all the people Ive befriended (be it customer, breeder or someone just asking advice). The day I view it as a needed source of income or the day I view it as strictly business, is the day I walk away. No offense Evan !! LOL !! I know Evan has worked hard for what he has and sells. Felt I should state that because something about "jobs" were mentioned somewhere in this thread. Thats why to date I never had a policy on "holding" herps. Maybe I should. If someone gives me their word and seem like nice people, I try in most cases, to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they changed their mind so be it. Believe me Gilbert isnt the only one in 15 years that has backed out on a deal with me and you dont see me posting them. Everyone has the right to change their mind. But NEVER had someone back out 3 times. I only responded because there IS a trend here.

Ive been in this hobby for 15 years. First a as collector. Then for years a BREEDER (Frilled Dragons, Beardeds, Rainbow Boas, Dumeril and others). About 5-6 years ago, I got burned out and sold all my breeding stock AND caging. Well, it only took less then a year (and befriending Don Hamper who hooked me line and sinker) to notice my love for herps never left and bam Im back into it. But at that time I got recently married and my wife was one month along with our first child. Prioritys change, so I got into buying and reselling herps to pay for my new and steadily growing collection. BUT, I was going to do it right. If it took 15 years to get where I want to be at, and build a good rep along the way, so be it. I wasnt going to get a bad name to shave off a few years. I know this didnt need to be stated here, but just in case anyone was curious, now you know.

Bottomline, is you did agree on 3 different occassions and backed out on all 3. I ALWAYS gave you the benefit of the doubt, until this last one. If you remember on the 2end deal you said you had a family situation. I emailed my concerns and hoped all would be well for you. It wasnt until our third deal, that I found out that was a lie as you addmitted getting preasure from another breeder you owed money to. I never said you ripped people off, lied, had bad stock or sold bad stock. Only that you have a hard time making up your mind. You have told me (as well as countless others) that to hold it for you and it was a done deal. I honored that. I could of easily backed out on you for the cash sale on the "het. clown", but didnt even though I could of used the cash more than our trade deal, at that time. Why ? I gave you my word. I even gave a crack in the door in my response by stating you were a nice guy to talk with (prior to this thread all my conversations with Gilbert where pleasent ones). Instead of saying I was wrong, you start a lame name calling game. As I told others that emailed me, I wont play it that way, its not worth it. Your thread above is a start in the right direction and this may end up being a useful thread. I know Ive now learned a thing or two on "holding" herps. See 15 years and still learning !! LOL !!

Joe Dembinski
 
You know Gilbert, if you read my reply you would see that as I have from day one, I have never said anything but that you were a really super person. I just think you need much work on your business skills. If it were just me I would let it go but you have done the same to so many others here. Why don't you tell us why?

Also, why were you so harsh to Joe Dembinski. I know Joe many years now. I saw him this weekend. He deal with and is very well liked by most of the best people I know in this industry. I doubt he deserves the labels you branded him with here. The only animals he deals with are the top of the top notch stuff.

You are doing a good job of "handling" everybody. By agreeing that you are wrong and putting yourself down, which is a very time honored psychiatric professional method of calming angry people. It would be nice instead, if you would just actually say something with substance to explain why you have behaved the way that you have. And I don't buy into this "getting called to work at anytime" especially since you were on leave when we talked. Evan Stahl
 
Thanks Joe. That is very cool of you to say. The day that I stop loving these animals is the day that I exit this business. I am not getting rich and have way too much work to do. If not for my love of these "kids" I would have bailed years ago. In fact, as I rebuild up a collection larger and larger and produce more animals again, I find myself loving them more and liking me more. Evan Stahl
 
Hello im sure not many of you know me or know of me for that matter I am Josh Broom no one special I work for Bill Cagle before this post I wouldnt care to put my thoughts on this thread but here goes...


Gilbert I first off think you are shady for the simple fact that you are convinced that you are the only man with money and your money is your power. hey man Im poor and all you do with your "rich" talk is make me think you are a rotten child.
As far as your backing out on your deal with Bill. Dude you missed a helluva deal. I personally know bill keeps his animals clean and taken care of because believe me its full time work and you will never go in there and see a sick snake  nor a dirty cage. So what your shadyness has done is gotten Randy A killer brazillian which I must say . Congratulations Randy
you got on nice snake. Gilbert also what does your cattle buisness have to do with all this "NO ONE CARES" and you backed out on a deal you said you read up on. I dont care if the animals cost me 5 dollars i want to know things about the breeder first so why not have looked before you even said you wanted the animal. Just my opinion on the matter


Josh Broom
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If you'll e-mail me the pic I'll post it for you.

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Evan and Joe,
         I have appologized.  I don't understand what else you could want!  I am sorry but I feel all of my reasons are not wanted.  What does it matter?  People will formulate an opinion and probably already have no matter what.  
People in time will have an opportunity to see me personally and we can chit chat.
 I am not a bad person, not a bad cop and now that you mentioned the on leave deal.  Everything in the shooting turned out well.  I was no billed by the grand jury and I have to live with it the rest of my life, Evan.  Even though it was me or him that night.  
Yes, I am still on leave and all the guys/girls hope to see me back soon.
I am doing buys with other agents.  As I had to run out the other night when I was suppose to meet Justin.
In other words slowly getting back into the swing of things.  I hope my sleeping problem will come to a halt before long.  The problem I seem to be having is dealing with the age of him.  Bottom line it hurts like hell!!!!!!!  I have to stay busy thinking of other things.
 I sure don't think this was an appropriate place to bring that up.  But sionce you did the whole world knows.
I hope a brief biography helps and brings some entertainment to some.  I am sure it will.  I enjoyed talking that night and it helped.  I wish it hadn't and didn't know it would be brought up on here.
Thanks guys,
Gilbert Thompson
 
Josh,
 You are right in feeling that way.  I can assure you it was not meant that way.

Bobby did you get the pic?
Thanks,
Gilbert Thompson
 
Sorry, I'm kinda slow, here are Gilbert's pics.
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HEY GILBERT, I DIDN'T BOTHER TO OPEN THE ATTACHED PIC IN THE EMAIL YOU JUST SENT ME. I WOULD NEVER BE THAT FOOLISH. I DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE DISHONEST. I ALREADY TOLD YOU...I COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE OR HOW BIG YOU ARE. YOU CAN HAVE THE FIRST SHOT. TRUST ME, I CAN TAKE IT. YOU HAVE ONCE AGAIN PROVEN TO US ALL THAT YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE THAT YOU "WILL DEFINATELY BE AT THE DIXIE REPTILE SHOW" IS JUST ANOTHER LIE. YOU WERE GOING TO COLLECT COLLARD LIZARDS....LIE. YOU WERE GOING TO BUY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN REPTILES FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT BREEDERS....LIE. YOU WERE GOING TO BUY A $1200 BRAZILIAN AMARALI FROM ME....LIE. YOU WILL BE AT THE BIRMINGHAM SHOW THIS WEEKEND....LIE. SHALL WE GO ON AND  MAKE OURSELF LOOK ANYMORE IGNORANT? YOU BROUGHT ALL THIS ON YOURSELF. YOU REALLY DO NEED TO GET SOME THERAPY. YOU KEEP SAYING THAT YOU HAVEN'T LIED, BUT ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS LIE. IT'S OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH THE TRUTH FROM A LIE. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND I'M NOT SAYING ALL THIS IN ATTEMPT TO HURT YOU. YOU NEED HELP. NO SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT SOMETHING OR SOMEONE IN YOUR LIFE HAS CAUSED YOU TO BE THIS WAY AND I FEEL FOR YOU. I AGREE WITH A COUPLE OF THE GUYS THAT POSTED ABOVE, WHY DON'T YOU COME CLEAN AND EXPLAIN YOUR ACTIONS? I KNOW THIS MAY NOT SEEM POSSIBLE, BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. IF YOU REALLY ARE A MAN AND A COP, YOU NEED TO START ACTING LIKE BOTH. SO FAR YOU HAVE ACTED LIKE A MORON.
 
Gilbert,

 First off, if you did apologize to me in a previous thread, I missed it. That's all I was looking for in the first place. I try not to hold grudges and never have.

 Secondly, you state that no one wants to listen to your reasons anyways (still indicating you had some). Well, lets take a vote ?? Who wants the chance to possibly see some dirt on me ?? If its true, Ill admit it right here. If there's another side, Ill state it. If its a bad deal, selling bad animals, ripping someone off or not backing up my word. Then shoot. If someone doesnt like me personally, then you just better keep it to yourself, as that will be hearsay and I think we know what this board thinks of those. Plus, more than likely, they would deny saying it IF I would confront them on it anyways. If its a bad deal, then they can also post here or start a new thread and Ill go from there. Bottomline, I believe you didnt hear anything about me (at least bad). When we spoke on the phone you even stated that the people you talked to about me all had great things to say. Honestly, I think you felt "backed into a corner and started biting before looking at who you were biting at" (NO Im not saying Im anybody. Its just a saying). If that is the case, then admitt it, and Ill at least be done with this thread unless something else requires my involvement.

Thirdly, Even didnt ask you to go into detail on the public board about your professional personal issue. YOU chose to do that. He only stated it because it was in conflict with one of your excuses.

Joe Dembinski
 
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