Glendon McDonald Poor Ethics?

[tool66]

Okay Wes, If you'd like specifics.

The snake was there on saturday from about 2:00 until 5pm. She he pulled it out right before he left and yes people were taking pictures when she put her hand out to pet the snake. She also reached for the snakes head. So that means that this snake with no eyes could have bit her anywhere since it does have a 3' strike range but instead it bites her right where her pulse is on her wrist...the warmest part of her arm. Think that was just luck? I think not. Everyone that was there stated it was her fault, including lynn herself. I'm sure it won't be long before some people confirm this since you have a hard time believing either one of us. Just out of curiousity, what reason would we have to lie? Seamus can confirm w/ rachel if he wants, she was there too.

 

[Seamus Haley]

THE LADIES NAME WAS LYNN AND SHE IS A FRIEND OF GLENS AND WAS A VENDOR AT THE SHOW

Which is why I phrased it as a question rather than a statement and qualified the remainder of my post on a specific answer to that question. I read about an incident where a woman in texas was bitten by a blind scrub, was taken to the ER and stitched up. The severity of the bite and the description were her words, she signed the message board post as "Kim"

SO THE NEXT TIME YOU DECIDE TO COME ON AND POST ABOUT HOW "THIS HAS COME BACK TO BITE GLEN IN THE ASS"...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BECAUSE NOW YOU LOOK LIKE THE FOOL...NOT ME.

His superdocile animal bit someone and it has no ramifications on his earlier statements? He has no idea what or how this animal will react to any given stimulus because he has not owned it long enough to make such determinations. Even if there were two seperate scrub bites at shows in Texas this past weekend (Riiiiiight) the fact that his was involved in one of them is rather telling.

And why would someone go to the ER over a minor cut? Either it requires medical attention and someone seeks it out... or it's minor and they simply rinse it off and get on with life. Can't really have it both ways.

 

[Wilomn]

Okay Wes, If you'd like specifics.

The snake was there on saturday from about 2:00 until 5pm. She he pulled it out right before he left and yes people were taking pictures when she put her hand out to pet the snake. She also reached for the snakes head. So that means that this snake with no eyes could have bit her anywhere since it does have a 3' strike range but instead it bites her right where her pulse is on her wrist...the warmest part of her arm. Think that was just luck? I think not. Everyone that was there stated it was her fault, including lynn herself. I'm sure it won't be long before some people confirm this since you have a hard time believing either one of us. Just out of curiousity, what reason would we have to lie? Seamus can confirm w/ rachel if he wants, she was there too.

If it was the snakes sense of smell, as you have implied by stating that lynn was handling snakefood, then what does her pulse have to do with anything?

If it was indeed her warmth that initiated this strike, then what does it matter what smell was on her?

Is this snake actually 12 feet long? If it is I would hazard to guess that it has SLIGHTLY more than 3 feet of strike range. But if you say so, okayyyyyyyyy.

You and glenn, for whom it is AGAINST the TOS here for you to POST FOR, really need to get together and start telling just one story. You change facts every other post.

No credibility at all.

Stitches? No stitches?

Snake was there a half hour, THIRTY minutes, before the show closed,

No, it was there for THREE hours, 180 minutes, before the show closed.

Yup, you're right. It all means the same thing in the end.

Nothing either of you say can be believed at face value.

 

[DThomas]

I know you guys don't like me posting for glen but if you want an answer to the previous question then this is the only way.

No , Glen needs to post for himself. He has TWO accounts registered here. He can pick one to use. HE already said back towards the beginning of this mess he would post from home.

This is the last warning. Glen posts for himself, or he is not heard.

 

[tool66]

The point of the warmth was that the snake could have bit her anywhere but hit her in the warmest, most accesible part of her arm. I'm sure the snake's strike range is longer than 3', point being he could have bit her just about anywhere. Pictures should be up by the end of the weekend. I'm sure some "credibility" will be restored to our name then. Besides, we aren't the only two that have described the snake in this post. 4-5 people are lying about the size and well being of this animal? okayyyyy Oh and I had the pleasure of looking up your name in the BOI and hell....credibility? hahahahahaha

 

[tool66]

Dennis

Glen is requesting his password through the webmaster. His computer crashed a while back and that is the email address that he registered with.

 

[Wilomn]

The point of the warmth was that the snake could have bit her anywhere but hit her in the warmest, most accesible part of her arm. I'm sure the snake's strike range is longer than 3', point being he could have bit her just about anywhere. Pictures should be up by the end of the weekend. I'm sure some "credibility" will be restored to our name then. Besides, we aren't the only two that have described the snake in this post. 4-5 people are lying about the size and well being of this animal? okayyyyy Oh and I had the pleasure of looking up your name in the BOI and hell....credibility? hahahahahaha

I must say that your point about the snake hitting her in the warmest part of her arm instead of "bit her just about anywhere" is ALMOST believable. The only thing I can see wrong with your heat emmitting area theory being the target becauseof that heat is that it was ALSO the CLOSEST part of the girl to the snake. THAT seems much more likely to be a target, but I will admit you MIGHT just be right. Moot point and this time as she WAS bitten and according to HER report it was much MORE serious than YOU would lead us to believe.

If he was really keying into her heat and NOT her smell, or more correctly the smell of the gliders and guineas she had been handling, then the snake could have struck from MUCH farther away. Whick is why I would tend to think this was a smell initiated strike more than it was a heat initiated strike. Unless of course EVERYONE ELSE who was nearby or had handled the snake previously had body temps somewhere around room temperature, or, slightly LESS than human norm.

I don't think anyone has questioned your accuracy as to the size of the snake. My question was more along these lines, for a 3 foot strike range to be the maximum this snake could achieve it would have to be somewhere in the 5 to 6 foot range which is SOMEWHAT smaller than the 12 foot range CLAIMED previously. But then you guys DO NOT have the habit of misstating yourselves do you?

Which brings me to the last part of your post, Hell and my being the Honorary Mayor there.

You see, I do, on occasion, get somewhat overzealous in persuing bad guys, you know, lying scumbags that take advantage of the ignorance and general lack of knowledge of newbies. I have been somewhat relentless in my pursuit of one or two of them and it HAS irritated some here that I was so relentless. The flip side of that coin is that I was 100% right about those lying scumbags, each and every one of them. Not that there are all that many, but more than one is one too many. Take that for what it's worth, you have to decide the value.

So far you guys have lied, and supposedly joked, gotten mad and then lied. You're off to a running start for good guy of the year.

This thread really isn't so much about the snake anymore as it is the character of you two. Or lack thereof.

 

[tool66]

I haven't lied about anything. I've told everything to the best of my knowledge and that's all I can do. If some facts got mixed up or twisted around, that wasn't done intentionally.

About the heat emmitting thing, I have been bit and have seen people get bit (as I'm sure you have to) by snakes w/ eyes and a lot of times in those situations they get bit on the hand or the closest part of the body to the snake. This snake bit her on the wrist and it wasn't a nip, he hit perfectly and held on for a couple of seconds. Where did you hear about the bite from again? Whatever you read must be a little exaggerated. She required no stitches. The smell could have made the snake more aggressive since it hadn't eaten in a while. As we posted before, the snake does have a rather large appetite. (and for the record the guy that sold the snake fed it 5-6 rats weekly, glen said he fed rabbits so the story was never changed or twisted) Point being the snake has obviously adapted to it's "deformity" and probably wouldn't be smacking his head into the glass anytime soon. And I thought this thread was taken out of hell because it was about the snake and we were going to stop attacking each other and "act civil"? Like I said before, once the pictures are posted a lot of people that are saying we are lying about the snake won't have much to say, that is if they have better sight than my kids will...right?

 

[Wilomn]

As far as pictures, I don't know that they will prove anything. I just want to see what this snake looks like.

Didn't glen say that the snake WAS FEEDING ON rabbits when he had only had it for 2 days and then come on and say it WAS FEEDING ON RATS?

See where the confusion comes in? If only one of those can be true, then one must be false. If one of them is false then it is a lie. If it is a lie, someone told it. If someone told it, and only you and glen, or just glen, are the only ones who have said anything at all about the feeding habits of this snake ..... do you see where I am going?

YOU two have twisted things. YOU two have misstated things.

If you want to see uncivil. look up some of the gubitz or upstate exotic threads.

 

[gamerjjt]

I have read these past two pages of name calling, and it is kinda childish.

I was there standing about 4ft away from Lynn when she got bit. The snake had been out for about 10 minutes while some of us got some pics, don't worry Wes, they will be posted tomorrow. Anyways, the snake was cruising around, like a normal snake would, then Lynn reached for the snakes head, I guess to "pet" it. She knew the snake had no eyes. When her had got about 1-2 ft from the snakes head, he nailed her on the wrist. When the snake hit her, she started to jerk her arm, that is when the cuts happened. The snake would not have done caused any damage if she would not have started to "rip" her arm away. The strike was basically Lynn's fault for sticking her hand too close to an unknown animal. She knew where the animal came from, and of it's "disability." I have not heard if she needed stictches, but there was speculation at the show that she would. I have not talked to anyone who has seen, or talked, to her to see if she actually ended up getting stitched up.

Wes, when I post pics tomorrow, would you like them emailed to you and posted, or just posted. I will leave it up to you, and this is a legitamate question. I am not trying to sound like an @$$. If you would like them emailed to you, leave your email address here. The pics will still be posted either way.

Jason

 

[Wilomn]

Anyways, the snake was cruising around, like a normal snake would, then Lynn reached for the snakes head, I guess to "pet" it. She knew the snake had no eyes. When her had got about 1-2 ft from the snakes head, he nailed her on the wrist. When the snake hit her, she started to jerk her arm, that is when the cuts happened. The snake would not have done caused any damage if she would not have started to "rip" her arm away. The strike was basically Lynn's fault for sticking her hand too close to an unknown animal. She knew where the animal came from, and of it's "disability." I have not heard if she needed stictches, but there was speculation at the show that she would.
Jason

It sure doesn't sound like this snake singled lynn out by her body heat as has been alluded to here. Not if he had been out and handled for the previous 10 minutes.

Sounds like he SMELLED her and then bit the smelly part, her hand, wrist, whichever part of her it was.

I would imagine that a 12 foot snake would have teeth long enough to do damage regardless of whether or not she "jerked" her arm away. Scrubs are tree dwellars, are they not? Are NOT tree dwellars KNOWN for having extra large teeth to help them hang on to the prey they prefer?

Blaming lynn's injuries on lynn is correct. But in saying that it was BODY HEAT that led to it you are INCORRECT. If it was JUST body heat why didn't anyone else get nailed?

Sorry guys, this one doesn't stand up either.

Is there some reason you think I would not be able to find pictures in this thread and would need them mailed to me to find them? Or, was that just a halfassed attempt at being a smartass? If you want to email them to me that's fine. Look at the bottom of EVERY post I make, there is a little tab that says email, if you click on that you can email me whatever you like. It's not too hard, others have managed with no problem at all so I'm sure, that should you so desire, you could do it too.

 

[gamerjjt]

Is there some reason you think I would not be able to find pictures in this thread and would need them mailed to me to find them? Or, was that just a halfassed attempt at being a smartass? If you want to email them to me that's fine. Look at the bottom of EVERY post I make, there is a little tab that says email, if you click on that you can email me whatever you like. It's not too hard, others have managed with no problem at all so I'm sure, that should you so desire, you could do it too.

Dude, I was not trying to be a prick, like you obviously are. I just wanted to make sure you saw them, since you seem like you are very interested in knowing what this animal looks like. I guess that is what I get for trying to be a nice guy. I guess it looks like all atempts at trying to be nice is failing with you. I have noticed that though, you are always on the defensive. Were you not breastfed, and have a complex about that or what? I have taken your crap long enough. You are a real prick you know that, can't you just realize that not all people are bad, and not everyone is "out to get you". I guess this is what I get for trying to make it easier for you. Damn man. I guess I will post them here. What you could have said though is "No, just go ahead and post'em here, I am sure I will be able to find them."

Jason

 

[Wilomn]

Your honesty from the beginning would have made it easy for me. All the twists and turns you guys have tossed in are suspicious. I don't need niceness, just honesty. Seems you have a hard time with that one.

I asked you to post them here in the thread, where ALL of our contact has been. You're not quite as good at being a smartass as you might think you are but that really isn't the point here.

Whether or not pics are EVER posted make no real difference to anything here. The snake, well, it's just a snake with no eyes. Whether or not it breeds with its sister, another female, or never is not up to me.

The thing that IS up to me, and the one which seems to have TOTALLY slipped by you, is what I think of you and how you have acted since the start of this thread. Others, many more than you might think, have also seen this behaviour of yours and will act as they see fit.

I DON'T trust you. I suspect that I am not alone in this. That is NOT good for business.

Post pics, don't post pics, tell the truth or lie. It's all up to you. So far your choices have been somewhat questionable, at least to some of us.

 

[glenn]

so here i am...finally got to log on...let me THE OWNER OF THE SNAKE.... speak for himself...
1. the snake does have a longer strike range...it only needed the 3 ft...
to whomever called lynn "stupid"....stop being like that...she made a mistake..all of us have...i consider lynn my friend and she may have had a lapse in judgement, but shes
not ...anyone who owns these types of animals gets bit...more often then not by their own fault.
their were NO STITCHES" the "scrape" (THAT WAS LYNNS' OWN WORDS WHEN I SPOKE TO HER YESTERDAY) was minimal....
if the snake was bting simply out of heat then for the hour i had him out when we first got there with the snake around my neck 3 to 4 other people within 1-2 ft, then why not strike then? he had plenty of oppurtunity to bite "heat" at any given time...or i guess you know that too cause you were their right? evrything that has been asked of me to present as far as proof of anything has been given...come up with any opinion that you have and it is just that...opinion...i have handled the snake...jason has seen it...i have fed it ..rachel has watched me handle it...matt has handled it, fed it and sold it to me b/c i've been doing it for around 15 years...if its for money then i would have sold it for far more than what i paid it for...but i guess that's not true either since i can't prove it to you by giving you names and prices and a personal reference of them and the family geneaology.....evryone who has seen, handled and experienced this animal has agreed with me and backed up what i say...
seems like the people who have read about these animals and seen all the tv shows and had friends who own them know everything...but the people who have had hands on experience with the snake in question seem to know nothing...and wes..your clutching at straws...your pulling out evrything you can to prove that i'm wrong and the snake is not what i say...so since you know more about the snake than i do i want evryone to believe you...the all knowing all powerful brain of the world....let's not belive us...i mean, i have had the snake for only a week, right...that's a week longer than anyone else here....jason, rachel, matt and corey are to my knowledge the only ons who have seen it...seen the bite...talked to the person who got bit and watched the animal be as docile as a ball...but yeah, wes, seamus, darin...yeah...i'll take your word for it.
rrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhtttttttt........you want to talk about character attack...why don't you go back and read this thread and look at your ethics, your treatment of new people and the way you have spoken to anyone who has DARED disagree with the almighty MAYOR OF HELL.......i don't think i could be more impressed.....(are you catching the sarcasm)...
jason, i need to pick up a couple of small rabbits from you on friday to feed the sickly, dumb, confused eyeless snake...i'm gonna have to force feed it by hand...i guess the 2 rats and the bird i watched it nail w/o hitting anything but the food source was a figment of my imagination...cause wes, seamus and darin say so...

come on with it.....i got something for you bunch of bullies...as i said everything you all ahve said has been reading, researching and common knowledge of a species of snake....personally i would rather speak to someone who has actually THE SNAKE THAT THE SNAKE IS IN DISCUSSION...IS REFFERING TO...hey, uh, wes darin seamus....when was the last time ya'll handled my snake?
just wondering.

 

[Wilomn]

so here i am...finally got to log on...let me THE OWNER OF THE SNAKE.... speak for himself...
1. the snake does have a longer strike range...it only needed the 3 ft...
to whomever called lynn "stupid"....stop being like that...she made a mistake..all of us have...i consider lynn my friend and she may have had a lapse in judgement, but shes
not ...anyone who owns these types of animals gets bit...more often then not by their own fault.
their were NO STITCHES" the "scrape" (THAT WAS LYNNS' OWN WORDS WHEN I SPOKE TO HER YESTERDAY) was minimal....



"Now the above word SCRAPE, was most likely not the best choice for her to use or you to copy. Has ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE AT ALL, ever been SCRAPED by a snakes open mouth? Sandpaper scrapes, chisles scrape, nails on a chalkboard scrape, snake teeth dont."


if the snake was bting simply out of heat then for the hour i had him out when we first got there with the snake around my neck 3 to 4 other people within 1-2 ft, then why not strike then? he had plenty of oppurtunity to bite "heat" at any given time...or i guess you know that too cause you were their right?

"This was EXACTLY MY POINT. It was not using its "spidey" senses to find prey, it BIT lynn because she SMELLED like FOOD. Thank you for verifying that it was not a sense of smell that got her bitten."

evrything that has been asked of me to present as far as proof of anything has been given...come up with any opinion that you have and it is just that...opinion...

"I cannot make sense of the previous word blunder:

i have handled the snake...jason has seen it...i have fed it ..rachel has watched me handle it...matt has handled it, fed it and sold it to me b/c i've been doing it for around 15 years...if its for money then i would have sold it for far more than what i paid it for...but i guess that's not true either since i can't prove it to you by giving you names and prices and a personal reference of them and the family geneaology.....evryone who has seen, handled and experienced this animal has agreed with me and backed up what i say...

" again with the inability to make a complete sentence and I am unaware whether you had a point there or not."


seems like the people who have read about these animals and seen all the tv shows and had friends who own them know everything...but the people who have had hands on experience with the snake in question seem to know nothing...and wes..your clutching at straws...your pulling out evrything you can to prove that i'm wrong and the snake is not what i say...so since you know more about the snake than i do i want evryone to believe you...the all knowing all powerful brain of the world....let's not belive us...i mean, i have had the snake for only a week, right...that's a week longer than anyone else here....jason, rachel, matt and corey are to my knowledge the only ons who have seen it...seen the bite...

"or was it a scrape"

talked to the person who got bit "no, it seems it WAS a BITE afterall"

and watched the animal be as docile as a ball...but yeah, wes, seamus, darin...yeah...i'll take your word for it.
rrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhtttttttt........you want to talk about character attack...why don't you go back and read this thread and look at your ethics, your treatment of new people and the way you have spoken to anyone who has DARED disagree with the almighty MAYOR OF HELL.......i don't think i could be more impressed.....(are you catching the sarcasm)...

''impressing someone caught lying as many times as you have been, someone who was going to do SCIENTIFIC studies on this animal, and what ever happened to that little sideline, someone who KNEW there was an eyeless SISTER out there and NEVER mentioned it while talking about FLOODING the market with this snakes offspring, is not something REAL high on MY priority list. It seems that you have missed ENTIRELY the fact that I am merely the HONORARY Mayor of Hell and that it is a joke, you know, something to evoke humor or, dare I say it to one who does it SO well, laughter."


jason, i need to pick up a couple of small rabbits from you on friday to feed the sickly, dumb, confused eyeless snake...i'm gonna have to force feed it by hand...i guess the 2 rats and the bird i watched it nail w/o hitting anything but the food source was a figment of my imagination...cause wes, seamus and darin say so...

"Gentlemen, I don't recall saying any such things, do you?"


come on with it.....i got something for you bunch of bullies

''And whatever might that be? Please enlighten me."

...as i said everything you all ahve said has been reading, researching and common knowledge of a species of snake

"yes, and your point is?"

....personally i would rather speak to someone who has actually THE SNAKE THAT THE SNAKE IS IN DISCUSSION...IS REFFERING TO...hey, uh, wes darin seamus....when was the last time ya'll handled my snake?
just wondering.

Seamus, Darin, I have never seen several types of snake. Please do NOT speak to me of them, as I know nothing of them until I see them, "THE SNAKE THAT THE SNAKE IS IN DISCUSSION...IS REFERRING TO" oh wait, now I can talk about it if it is the snake that the snake is in discussion to???? Wait, I'm confused. Apparently I am NOT alone in this.

jason, you came out of the gate telling several stories on this snake and what you were going to do with it. You got called to the boards for your stories. Don't be mad at me because you have made a fool of yourself. You had AMPLE opportunity to come clean. You didn't. We know it.

Case closed.

 

[Wilomn]

The words in quotes (") above are mine and were NOT stated by jason.

 

[tool66]

Seamus, Darin, I have never seen several types of snake. Please do NOT speak to me of them, as I know nothing of them until I see them

Have you ever held a 12' eyeless scrub???????? There are only two, you got that much from this thread right? I don't think you have held an eyeless snake before have you? And of course none of us have ever held "several types of snakes" before. And who are we coming clean to? You? Being the Mayor of Hell doesn't make you the Mayor of the Reptile world. But I guess since your opinion is held in such high regard on this website, referring to the posts made about your credibility, then I guess we had better stop lying to you and be careful about what we say. RRiiiggghhhhttttt

 

[glenn]

well wes, sorry if you can't make sens of the statement...i had already had a few drinks when i posted last night...but you're very much right...like i said you're grabbing a straws...scrape or bite...of course it was a bite...the severity of the bite was why it was described as a "scrape"...as i posted this was EXACTLY how it was stated by lynn...but i guess using words from the mouth of the person who got bit doesn't matter on this website anyway...since "it tore down to the muscle tissue"....but lynns probably lying too i guess.....
flooding the market was also meant as sarcasm, but i guess again YOU have managed to twist and distort statements made by people in order to make your feeble points.....(whatever they are, i still don't know cause you haven't made any point as far as i can tell)
as far as lying....i have no idea what the hell your talking about there...everything i have stated has been the truth...some statements as, i said have been truth and fact.....
as far as the sister...it's in houston and i'm not sure what point your trying to make by putting that out there because it couldn't be bred with it's sister anyway, so like i said, i have no idea how that is relevant....
AS FAR AS ANYONE HERE TRUSTING ME....I NEED MY WIFES TRUST AND MY CHILDRENS...NOT YOURS....so i could personally care less....
my thoughts onto breeding the snake were originally thoughts of a project i would be interested in pursuing....i still may, i may not.....my main interest in these animals is in my collection of them...what i own and house are for my personal interest and enjoyment...as i said, it's not money driven, if it were...the snake would have been sold several days ago......
one thing i will agree with you on is that A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS WEBSITE....everyone i spoke with on saturday at the show was told about the website...by me....as far as it hurting "my business"...my business of purchasing more animals for my collection has IMPROVED. several of the people who i have been lucky enough to meet have shown a great interest in my snake and have given me their numbers in order to purchase more exotic snakes at wholesale pricess rather than retail....thanks for ruining my business....huh huh
and enlighten you was to my ability (albeit, finally) to defend myself against everyone rather than have to have other people speak for me....come on with it is meant to say now you can direct your attacks to me....not everyone else...i own the snake..the decision to do whatevr the hell i want with the snake is mine...so you want to talk trash talk it to me now.....
on second thought, i don't think you need to worry about it....i'm going to log off cause i'm at work and i don't want to waste another day discussing this with you people....the only way i can "hurt my business" is by lowering my standards and continuing this discussion....i'm truelly afraid people will think less of me for assosciating myself with most of the people here.....
racheal, matt, corey, jason and lynn...these are friends and associates whose opinions matter to me....not anyone else's here....so continue this thread and discussion....but you're going to have to do it w/o me....i may peek in here and their just to see if the level idiocy has raised (i don't think that's going to happen) or lowered (this would definately seem more probable).....

 

[Sasheena]

Doesn't ANYONE know how to use punctuation anymore! I just can't READ sentences that are 5000 words long!

Seems to me that Glenn or Tool or somebody said the snake bit the girl due to her heat. Then it was her smell. Then Glenn or Tool or somebody chastised others for even thinking it was smell, after themselves being chastised for thinking it was heat.

What in the universe has all of this to do with the simple issue.

It would be so NICE if each of the main players in this thread... which would probably be Seamus who started it and Glenn who owns the snake, would state their unequivocal positions as to the issue.

Glenn, ignoring all other posts, perhaps instead of a reaction, you could just share with the BOI your thoughts, feelings, intentions etc regarding your snake. I KNOW you don't HAVE to. I KNOW you may not CARE what people think. But in the midst of all this brouhaha, it would sure be NICE if you could CLEARLY state your position. Show everyone here your professionalism.

Seamus (and any other person who feels strongly on the issue) it might also be nice if you could simply state your position on the issue as well. State what you understand to be wrong, why you think it is wrong, etc.

Finally a note about Wes.... He calls himself the mayor of hell. Nobody voted him into office, nobody appointed him. It's just a joke. A person's credibility here is based on the face they present to the herp community through the written word, and sometimes through photographs. While everyone knows that Wes has a few issues with one other member (hence the VAST majority of his penalty points), in general he is not considered a BAD guy, nor one with a lack of credibility.

Now... My OWN position on the eyeless snake. If he has a sibling that is eyeless, it sounds genetic, and if it is genetic, it would be a shame to mess up the breeding population by including a recessive deleterious gene. I am sure his pattern is absolutely wonderful, I look forward to seeing a photo of him, but I'm not so sure it's worth risking a whole bunch of "het for eyeless" snakes slithering around.

 

[Darin Chappell]

"i guess the 2 rats and the bird i watched it nail w/o hitting anything but the food source was a figment of my imagination...cause wes, seamus and darin say so"

I never said anything of the sort, Mr. McDonald. I have not attacked you personally in any way. I have merely stated that, due to the implications of a genetically introduced deformity into a small genepool such as is found in scrub pythons in the United States, it is unethical to propagate the trait found in your animal. Please do me the kindness of not attributing anything to me that I have not specifically said. I choose my words very carefully, and I don't appreciate you trying to put others into my mouth.

That being the case, let me state clearly: I believe it is imparative to make certain that this animal (or any like it) never breeds, by whatever means are necessary. If that were possible by simply keeping it isolated as a "pet," then fine, but I have no confidence that such is to be the case here. Even with the best of intentions, one can never tell what will happen "down the road" with an animal as it changes hands. However, once it's been culled, I can KNOW for a certainty that it will never pass the deformity on to another generation.

As to Tanith's statement about the painfulness of freezing snakes, well I have no idea how one could know that for a fact, but that is of little import to my position. I care not for the manner of euthanizing the animal, so long as it ends in the same desired result.

However, all of this is moot. Mr. McDonald will with this snake as he sees fit. He will either breed it, or he won't. He will either cull it, or he won't. He could come back here saying that he had indeed thought it over and culled the animal, only to be breeding it as best he can with every scrub python he could attain. We would never know the difference.

At least, not until those eyeless babies started showing up all over the place ...