Good Guy Report Tere Salazar of Obsession Dragons Tucson, Az

[Denisebme]

I have never done business with any of the parties here, so I have no dog in this fight at all. $45 is a reasonable shipping charge. Not only does the person who is shipping pay for the actual costs of Fed-ex, but they also pay for all the shipping supplies, including reptile containers, insulated boxes, and hot or cold packs depending on the season. While I am fairly new to this business, and new to fauna, I have kept and bred retiles as a hobbyist for years and have never and would never argue over a $45 shipping fee.
I've watched the BOI threads concerning Tere, Mike and Paul, and I've seen some of the bad blood, a lot of it justified. I would never hesitate to do business with Tere, and in fact, I look forward to having that opportunity. I would also never hesitate to do business with Paul, who seems like a real stand-up guy. Mike, all I can say is that at this point, you'd be better off just letting it go, these people tried to help you and no matter how it gets spun, they do not deserve to have their reputations smeared because it didn't work out so well.

 

[connorrm]

Can I get an AMEN??? LOL

 

[Beardie]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Linda McBride

 

[repfriend]

I disagree.

Look at it as you might.

Shipping and Handling cost is towards......SHIPPING and HANDLING.

And shouldn't be used for profit. Period.

And to say that Handling should cost $35 out of $45 is a bit out there.

So should other honest sellers charge $75 for shipping and it would be alright? After all, they have to use good boxes, styrofoam, etc etc as well.

And what if some not so well looked upon individual would have done this? I wonder if people would still think that this particular practice is "ok"?

Sorry, its just wrong. It's deceiving. The customer thinks that that part of the funds is applied to shipping and handling, when in fact, it is not.

Just a fact.

I'm not even going to using a MILITARY BASE to abuse their system to ship reptiles at a reduced cost, while they aren't even allowed on base to begin with. People living on base get certain privilidges. And people abusing those privilidges are the ones that ultimately cause those privilidges to be dis-continued.

I respect everyones opinion, and realize their will always be differing ones. To each their own.

And this is just my humble opinion.

 

[Tere Salazar]

I Charge Actual Shipping Charges!!!

I disagree.

Look at it as you might.

Shipping and Handling cost is towards......SHIPPING and HANDLING.

And shouldn't be used for profit. Period.

And to say that Handling should cost $35 out of $45 is a bit out there.

Maybe you should try reading everything before you post. I set up my website a few months ago, when Mike was here, in fact. HIS suggestion was to charge $45 for shipping, and pocket $35 when I use base facilities. Had you read my response, you would have seen that I didn't feel right doing that, and haven't done that. I also put the figure of $45 on my website, simply because if I don't use the base facilities to ship, I still have to pay shipping elsewhere...rest assured it would cost more than $10. I charge actual shipping charges. That is, I charge what I'm charged. I HAVE NOT EVER CHARGED ANYONE $45 FOR SHIPPING WHEN SHIPPING ONLY COSTS ME $10.

The only reason that figure still exists on my website is because I have not updated the terms and conditions page of my website since I set it up because I haven't sold any dragons to the public from my website. Further, I will not quote a shipping charge of $10 on my website because I may not always use base facilities.

Suffice it say that due to the threats that I have received from Michael Shomaker regarding having me thrown off base for owning reptiles and for having people stay with me, I have contacted both Housing and Legal, and have been informed that I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. Housing has no problem with me having lizards on base, and due to the fact that my visitors were VISITORS and NOT RENTERS, there is also not an issue there PERIOD. So please relax.

If you would like to post on a thread with my name on it, I would appreciate it if you would read everything posted so that you have full knowledge of what's going on before you post.

 

[Beardie]

I would like to point out that the "discount" on shipping is a benefit for people IN the militarty to help them out NOT the customer. Tere already stated that she hasn't charged that even if her site does list it as the fee. It is very common to list a shipping charge on web pages. It gives the customer an idea of what other expensenses to anticipate when buying something. If "you" prepaid your shipping and she added on for her boxes and handling it would come out to about that maybe more depending where it is being shipped or if you wanted it delivered UPS.
Basically, if you don't like what someone charges then don't buy from them. To try and lable someone as "bad guy" because you don't like their posted shipping charge is petty.
The mess on this thread and the other one incurred because TWO different people took a chance (including bending rules to help someone else) and got taken advantage of when they naively let someone move in with them without knowing them well enough. It sounded to me, after reading the two threads, that they offered Mike a "hand UP" not a "hand OUT" like Mike wanted and now Mike is twisting things around to make them look bad to get even for them not just giving him everything.

I still stand by what I said, ..... Tere and her husband ARE GOOD GUYS!
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Linda McBride

 

[repfriend]

Maybe you should try reading everything before you post. I set up my website a few months ago, when Mike was here, in fact. HIS suggestion was to charge $45 for shipping, and pocket $35 when I use base facilities. Had you read my response, you would have seen that I didn't feel right doing that, and haven't done that. I also put the figure of $45 on my website, simply because if I don't use the base facilities to ship, I still have to pay shipping elsewhere...rest assured it would cost more than $10. I charge actual shipping charges. That is, I charge what I'm charged. I HAVE NOT EVER CHARGED ANYONE $45 FOR SHIPPING WHEN SHIPPING ONLY COSTS ME $10.

The only reason that figure still exists on my website is because I have not updated the terms and conditions page of my website since I set it up because I haven't sold any dragons to the public from my website. Further, I will not quote a shipping charge of $10 on my website because I may not always use base facilities.

Suffice it say that due to the threats that I have received from Michael Shomaker regarding having me thrown off base for owning reptiles and for having people stay with me, I have contacted both Housing and Legal, and have been informed that I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. Housing has no problem with me having lizards on base, and due to the fact that my visitors were VISITORS and NOT RENTERS, there is also not an issue there PERIOD. So please relax.

If you would like to post on a thread with my name on it, I would appreciate it if you would read everything posted so that you have full knowledge of what's going on before you post.

I have read it all, thank you very much

The first time I replied about the shipping and handling was to the "alleged practice" of doing so. If you didn't, then I believe you did the right thing.

My other replies were TO OTHER PEOPLE that said , they would see nothing wrong with overcharging the S+H like this. If YOU read carefully, you will see that as well.

Its nice to see that Housing will make an exception for you. Hopefully they will revise their rules/terms for everyone else, as well Sure would be nice if all the other people on base will be allowed to keep reptiles from now on.

Yes, visitors are allowed. But did you mention that you were "charging" your visitors? No matter how you twist it, their "helping out" is still charging for the cost of living with you.

As previously noted, there are no "bills" on housing. You do not pay for electricity, water, garbage, sewer, etc. The only bill you have, is for things like cable/dish/internet/phone. If you already had internet access, a router would hook up any other computer in the house. Groceries at the commissary only cost about (+/-) half of what they cost off-base.

If housing on that particular base is fine with all that, again, good for you.

Frankly, based on YOUR OWN post in the other thread, I'm still flabbergasted and think something just don't smell right about the whole deal.

No matter who tells the truth, its still simply mindboggling to me that someone would admit to a "houseguest" (stranger, only known through internet and phone conservations) messing with their childrens mind, calling their children cruel names, turning their children into "racists" (all your words) and NOT kicking them out right there and then. As a matter of fact STILL refering to that person as their "friend", and being worried for them, when that person prepared to leave.

But, there are two versions, yours and Mikes. I don't know either one of you, but going by BOTH of your posts...no matter who is telling the truth, I would steer clear of both of you.

This is the BOI and I'm simply stating my opinion based on YOUR or OTHERS posts. That is all.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[repfriend]

I would like to point out that the "discount" on shipping is a benefit for people IN the militarty to help them out NOT the customer.

So what is your point? That this is a benefit to help out people in the military, to turn a PROFIT on the shipping and handling charge?? Guess I don't get that.

Tere already stated that she hasn't charged that even if her site does list it as the fee. It is very common to list a shipping charge on web pages. It gives the customer an idea of what other expensenses to anticipate when buying something.

And if she didn't charge this, then she did the RIGHT thing, no doubt about that. My post was regarding that some people said it would be "ok" to do so...which I happen to disagree with

If "you" prepaid your shipping and she added on for her boxes and handling it would come out to about that maybe more depending where it is being shipped or if you wanted it delivered UPS.

No matter how you twist it, if someone pays $10 for shipping, yet charges $45 for shipping and handling, sorry...it is never right, and it doesn't come out that much for any other seller, or you would see $75 to $80 s+h charges from other trustworthy sellers.

Basically, if you don't like what someone charges then don't buy from them. To try and lable someone as "bad guy" because you don't like their posted shipping charge is petty.

That, I agree with. If I see a price, and the price for shipping and handling and I don't like it, I don't buy. Simple. But that has nothing to do with, whether its right to STATE a price for SHIPPING AND HANDLING, that is grossly inflated and the money paid for S+H will CLEARLY "not" go towards just that.

The mess on this thread and the other one incurred because TWO different people took a chance (including bending rules to help someone else) and got taken advantage of when they naively let someone move in with them without knowing them well enough. It sounded to me, after reading the two threads, that they offered Mike a "hand UP" not a "hand OUT" like Mike wanted and now Mike is twisting things around to make them look bad to get even for them not just giving him everything.

I read the other thread and everything posted by both parties. Which is precisely why I still shake my head about BOTH of them, no matter whose version is right. Btw. that is still something that only THOSE TWO will truly know, as well.

I still stand by what I said, ..... Tere and her husband ARE GOOD GUYS!

And thats great. It is your opinion and you stand up to it. I respect that completely. Just like other people can have differing opinions. Thats the nature of "opinions". You should respect that as well.

Like I said previously, no matter WHO told the truth, based on THEIR VERY OWN WORDS, I think BOTH were wrong.

My humble opinion.
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[Tere Salazar]

You Know What?

I think maybe I will just stand up in the execution line for you, Repfriend. Get your guns ready...since you are so quick to execute someone who was trying to help out someone in need...someone who loves other people besides themselves, and is willing to sacrifice a little to help someone out. I think that would be a person with a heart...and not something they call a heart that's really just a big cube of ice.

Yes, I made poor choices. Have you not ever done that when faced with this situation, or have you just never had the heart to care when someone else is facing homelessness? I made mistakes, just like everyone else has...except you of course. If I could do things over, I would. But I'm human, I make mistakes, and I learn from them. I've said it a million times...HARD LESSON LEARNED. I WILL NEVER HELP ANYONE OUT AGAIN!!!!!

What doesn't help is people like you coming here telling me how I should think and feel....or not feel. My family and I have been through HELL in the past six months. Trust me, what's on this forum is NOTHING compared to all the stuff that can't be discussed on here. So please, take your opinions somewhere else. I've had enough...and I'm tired of having the MISTAKE of Mike Shoemaker thrown in my face.

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Beardie]

Misty,

I never stated that I don't respect someone elses opinion I think that is your assumption. Your intitled to your opinion like anyone else but you did miss what I was trying to state and took it as an attack on on how you felt on this issue. That is not the case.
Their (Tere's) web site states that they ship Fed Ex Or UPS. I never said I would agree to to pay inflated charges only that its common to list that price on web pages.
The two people I am referring to as offering a "hand UP" is Tere Salazar AND Paul Sage...TWO unrelated individuals (both Fauna members)who tried to help out Mike but instead got taken advantage of.
I get the feeling from you that if someone tries to help someone else out and were naive about how they go about it and the dangers involved that they deserve what they get. This, I don't agree with but I can except that others might think differently. Thats fine.

_____________________
Linda McBride

 

[repfriend]

I think maybe I will just stand up in the execution line for you, Repfriend. Get your guns ready...since you are so quick to execute someone who was trying to help out someone in need...someone who loves other people besides themselves, and is willing to sacrifice a little to help someone out. I think that would be a person with a heart...and not something they call a heart that's really just a big cube of ice.

Yes, I made poor choices. Have you not ever done that when faced with this situation, or have you just never had the heart to care when someone else is facing homelessness? I made mistakes, just like everyone else has...except you of course. If I could do things over, I would. But I'm human, I make mistakes, and I learn from them. I've said it a million times...HARD LESSON LEARNED. I WILL NEVER HELP ANYONE OUT AGAIN!!!!!

What doesn't help is people like you coming here telling me how I should think and feel....or not feel. My family and I have been through HELL in the past six months. Trust me, what's on this forum is NOTHING compared to all the stuff that can't be discussed on here. So please, take your opinions somewhere else. I've had enough...and I'm tired of having the MISTAKE of Mike Shoemaker thrown in my face.

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop being over dramatic. I have not said anything that comes close to being compared with "executing" you, for crying out loud.

Please remember that YOU brought your own post and words to the BOI. Did you expect that noone would have their opinion and say about it?

Did YOU not have a opinion and say about what others have said?

If you did not overcharge for shipping and handling, THATS GREAT, just like I have said before. I replied to people that thought it would be ok to do so. I don't think it is. Which is why I posted.

The whole deal with that Mike person? I simply replied to what YOU said. You put yourself out there with your version, Mike did the same with his. Both of you have to expect people voicing their opinion.

Tell me where I called you names. Tell me where I executed you.

My heart is not a lump of ice...sorry. I have done many good deeds, I believe in Karma STRONGLY. But never will I put the safety and well being of my own children in line for it. They are the first priority.

So you made mistakes, and you have learned from them. Good for you. And regardless of what you think of me I DO wish you the best.

But if you didn't want anyone to react to your own post/words, or only "favorable", well then you shouldn't have put it out there.

 

[repfriend]

Misty,

I never stated that I don't respect someone elses opinion I think that is your assumption. Your intitled to your opinion like anyone else but you did miss what I was trying to state and took it as an attack on on how you felt on this issue. That is not the case.
Their (Tere's) web site states that they ship Fed Ex Or UPS. I never said I would agree to to pay inflated charges only that its common to list that price on web pages.
The two people I am referring to as offering a "hand UP" is Tere Salazar AND Paul Sage...TWO unrelated individuals (both Fauna members)who tried to help out Mike but instead got taken advantage of.
I get the feeling from you that if someone tries to help someone else out and were naive about how they go about it and the dangers involved that they deserve what they get. This, I don't agree with but I can except that others might think differently. Thats fine.

Perhaps it was a misunderstanding. I simply stated that I thought it was wrong to charge for something, if the funds don't go towards it. Thats all.

I never said that Tere deserves to get whatever. I think she paid for her mistakes. I simply stated MY OPINION on being flabbergasted about allowing a person to stay, after it was established that this person was messing with her kids in all these ways.

Helping someone is a great thing.

And now I'm out. I said my opinion, I'm stickin to it, and since I never had any business with either of those people, nor will I ever, thats all that needs to be said.

 

[Tere Salazar]

He was here a month

Repfriend-

Yet another thing you didn't bother reading. He was only here a month. Would you prefer that I would have kicked him out on the street? I preferred to tell him to leave, give him a short but reasonable amount of time to accomplish that, and supervise any and all interaction with my children in the meantime.

And yes, I knew people would have differing views. But I didn't expect someone to say don't help out a person in need because they MAY endanger your kids' minds AND to imply that I'm a less-than-good mother because I did that. I've seen one other thread where you've said that about someone else...and let me tell you...you need to take that opinion somewhere else. IT DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS THREAD.

Maybe the person you need to look at is you...

I am done arguing with you also. You weren't there...you didn't know what happened. And no matter how many people who KNOW try to expain it to you, you just don't get it. Please find another BOI thread to know it all on.

Further...I will be VERY HAPPY to do without your business.

 

[Tere Salazar]

Hit submit too fast.

If you will look at the dates of the original thread with Mike, it took place in early October. It was done and over with then. The most recent upcropping of this thread wasn't posted by me, but by Dennis Hultman. Personally, I just wish everyone would leave me alone.

 

[repfriend]

Sigh...

Ok, YOU said (amonst other things):

"The reason Cory was paying Mike’s expenses is because during Mike’s brief stay here (6/04/05 – 7/29/05), he had great difficulty finding and keeping any employment, often times staying up all night and sleeping the majority of the day, which makes job hunting near impossible. He used just about every excuse in the book, including that he didn’t have transportation to get out and look for a job.

I think the entire time Mike lived here, he may have scooped poop for the dragons 3 times, and fed them 5 times. The remainder of the time, John and I would feed, water and scoop for his dragons. Whenever it was time to clean the house up, Mike would lock himself in his room and pitch a fit.

Mike was known for snacking in his room, often times spilling drinks and getting food all over the furniture and carpet, then refusing to clean up after himself. He couldn’t even take care of dragons, let alone clean up after himself.

Mike was absolutely cruel to my children, calling my 6 year old son a “whiny little girl” and telling my 4 year old daughter she had a “fat butt”. Mike schooled my children, however, in how to become racist pigs.

I watched as Mike left here, incredibly worried about Mike because I didn’t know Paul, and was concerned about how he would treat Mike"


You put that out there.
And I voiced my opinion. Didn't call you a bad mother, didn't call you any names, simply replied to your post.

If anyone did that to my kids, yes, they would find themselfes on their behind on the street so fast their head would spin. If you think THAT makes me a bad person, so be it.

There are many ways to do good deeds in life and to be a good person, one doesn't have to do "what you did" I assure you. You don't know me, I only know of you what YOU yourself posted for others to see and comment on. Which I did.

I'm glad to hear that you supervised and shielded your children from him, once you figured him out. You didn't mention that before and again, glad you did.

Correct. I wasn't there. I have to go by YOUR words and the post you put out there for everyone to build their opinon on. Which is what I did. No more, no less.

Still wishing you the best

 

[PaulSage]

I respect everyones opinion, and realize their will always be differing ones. To each their own.

Yeah. And thanks so much for yours. Honestly. I’m a better person after reading your OPINION six times.

Tere and I were pretty clear on why we ever brought any of this to the BOI. It was to warn other people about how Mike played us. I don’t really see the need for anyone’s grandiose opinion the matter.

The first time I replied about the shipping and handling was to the "alleged practice" of doing so. If you didn't, then I believe you did the right thing.

My other replies were TO OTHER PEOPLE that said , they would see nothing wrong with overcharging the S+H like this. If YOU read carefully, you will see that as well.

That’s great… so why not start a thread in the shipping forum about the ethics of shipping charges? Why do it here? Tere already said she hasn’t overcharged for shipping, and I doubt you’ll find anyone to offer proof to the contrary. You are allowed to post outside of the BOI, you know. I noticed that only 1 of your 80 posts haven't been on the BOI.

Frankly, based on YOUR OWN post in the other thread, I'm still flabbergasted and think something just don't smell right about the whole deal.

From Webster’s: Flabbergasted: to make speechless with amazement

If only that were the case…

And now I'm out. I said my opinion, I'm stickin to it, and since I never had any business with either of those people, nor will I ever, thats all that needs to be said.

Thank you.

 

[repfriend]

It doesn't matter "why" you posted what you did. Once you post, you invite "reactions, opinions and answers". Whether you like them or not.

Besides, even tho I am more inclined to believe you and Tere simply by "gutfeeling" it IS still yours and her word against Mikes. I don't think any hard facts or proof has been provided about some of the alligations.

If some people post in THIS HERE THREAD how it should be ok to overcharge for shipping IN THIS HERE SITUATION/SELLER, then I will reply IN THIS HERE THREAD what I think about it.

So I have only posted in the BOI. Oh my. Thanks for pointing out that I "could" post elsewhere. Much appreciated

And Paul...yes I was/am speechless in amazement about some of this whole story. However, I'm typing you know...

from Websters: "speech" = 1 a : the communication or expression of thoughts in SPOKEN words b : exchange of SPOKEN words
2 a : something that is SPOKEN

If you want to pull this whole thing down by getting snarky (yes, i know the meaning of that word) and having a "smart aleck attitude" in order to ridicule me, go ahead. It really doesn't change any of the facts.

But thanks, anyway.

And now, I'm truly out. Like you mentioned, I have explained what I replied to and WHY often enough.

 

[Denisebme]

You have a right to disagree, but as I said, I've been doing this for a while, and $45 is not unusual at all. Shipping and HANDLING is exactly that. It costs money to ship live animals, they need specific packaging, and normally time out of ones day to make sure they arrive at their destination safely. I will never and have never argued over reasonable shipping costs, and $45 is reasonable, end of story.
For everyone else, you have a choice, you can buy from someone who charges flat rate shipping charges, or you can order from someone who doesn't. To debate the shipping costs later, or make an attempt to damage someones reputation over clearly published shipping charges, is petty and unreasonable. It is the buyers choice at the time of sale, after that, its a moot point.

 

[Denisebme]

Tere,
I'm sorry I jumped into this thread when I did. It seems like I opened the door for someone else to be a jerk. Personally, I think you are handling what appears to be a difficult situation with class and I truly wish for you the best.

 

[connorrm]

I would like to say that on the other thread I told Tere that I was going to get a dragon from her anyway. A friend of mine was looking for one and told me to keep my eyes peeled. Tere contacted me asking me if I was serious and I replied YEP sure am! She had that money later that night. Tere has so far made the experience marvelous for my friend (who btw still can't beleive that a lizard is coming in the mail LOL). She is so excited and I can't wait to post a trader rating for Tere when all is said and done. She has been so wonderful through this it almost makes me want to buy a dragon from her just because she is so easy to get along with!! So if anyone's rep is ruined in my eyes its Mike's cause well, I have never had an internet sale go so smooth.