Gregory Bowman aka thedietcokeguy Inquiry

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

USF&W DMA

I just got off the phone with USF&W DMA and here is what they said.

Python Molurus Molurus is App I and ESA and requires CBW permit for both shipper and receiver.

Python Molurus Pimbura is App I and ESA and requires CBW permit for both shipper and receiver.

Python Molurus Bivitattus is App II and no permit requirements for Intrastate travel on either end.

Mr. Bowman You are guilty of illegal transport of an ESA animal as well as you do not have the required CBW permit for the animal and you have admitted it on this site. If I were you I would be getting prepared for such a pursuit of criminal action from the USF&W DMA. Because of your actions of desiring to get Steve in trouble, you yourself are going to be subject to fines, and possible jail time for this violation.

 

[Seamus Haley]

This is a bit off topic and if it's an issue worthy of additional discussion, I should probably start a thread in the Python forums but...

It was my understanding that P. m. pimbura was not a widely accepted subspecific designation as of yet... I know it had been proposed by more than one person and taxonomy is a science where people will agree even less than in most other specific aspects of biology but... I had not heard of any alteration into an "official" or even really commonly accepted designation outside of a slang useage to denote a Sri lankan locality animal...

I had understood that the suboccular scale count was the differentiating factor between the two perviously accepted subspecies and that the count for Sri lankan animals was identical to that of P. . molurus rather than P. m. bivitattus and that there wasn't really a morphological difference of substantial enough magnitude (tissue difference rather than simply pigment difference) or a signifigant enough limitation of interbreeding to substantiate the proposal for subspecies differentiation...

Obviously if there's an official designation with USF&W, rather than just a comment of "They're indians", there has been more evidence shown that supports the subspecific claim... Without turning this thread into a discussion on the matter, since the status of Indians and Sri lankans are the same no matter what they are classified as, I was wondering if anyone had access to the specific information if they could either private message me or e-mail me at [email protected] with either a brief rundown of the argument that finally validated the designation to a greater degree or the name of the publication that caused the acceptance by a wider group of people.

Thanks and sorry for the intrusion.

 

[HerpVenue]

Rich,

I assure you; if you knew who I am or who is monitoring your site, you would not think that.

Have Faith, Grasshopper. The truth shall set you free.

No slight on you; its just some of your members needed to be rutted out of their holes.

As Ive said, most of them are great people.

Gregory Bowman

"operation chameleon may be a lizard with a hernia"

if you knew who I am

An armchair lawyer?
A guy who keeps misusing the term libel?
An animal rights activist?
PETA?
A guy that think WAY too highly of himself?
A guy from the third dimension who hails from the Planet Pangea?

who I am or who is monitoring your site, you would not think that.

PETA?
Animal Rights activists?
Ambulance chasers?

its just some of your members needed to be rutted out of their holes.

actually lately there has been a myriad of people like you coming out of holes.

Have Faith, Grasshopper. The truth shall set you free.

Set me free? Last time I checked...it was not me who posted libelous cr@p and cried about it.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

USF&W have both P.M.Molurus and P.M.Pimbura listed as the same classification as both P.M.Molurus but have a note that the subspecies of P.M.Pimbura has not been clarified as a different sub species and therefore fall under the same rules and regulations as the P.M.Molurus. I don't know the exact differentiating characteristics of the subspecies but if you contact USF&W DMA you might be able to get more information on that.

 

[HerpVenue]

I think you should, however, consider asking some questions as I have done; most have gone unanswered by the parties in question. Most due to the fact that criminals rarely admit their actions. Their silence shows their guilt.

Well we have asked some questions that you refuse to answer.
We have asked for pictures etc et cetc.

I guess in your own words... YOU ARE GUILTY

 

[ms_terese]

I doubt Mr. Bowman is making up a name here. I mean, he did have Steve and Neil ship animals to him under that name, correct? So I would take it to mean that Mr. Bowman is, shall we say, "connected" to people of importance, or at least that's the impression that he is trying to convey to Rich Z.

Again, I say no worries. Much like Susan Smith, if there was some sort of undercover operation in place by *ANYONE* to gain information about this site or its members, the last thing a person would do is *WARN* Rich Z. about it.

Threats are only warnings, and the people you must be aware of are the ones who don't give any. Those who spout off typically have no other ammunition.

You know, when this began, I felt truly sympathetic with all the parties that such well intentioned actions had gone so horribly wrong. I don't know Steve Markevich, but it seemed that he actually made a *mistake*. I know of Neil's reputation, and the advice he's given to me has shown outstanding character, and I was sad to hear that a healthy snake he'd shipped had taken ill. Greg Bowman seemed passionate about the animals' conditions, and I respected that.

Now.....hmmmm.....I'm feeling that Greg Bowman may be less than honest, and have ulterior motives. I hope he has a clear understanding of the consequences of that. Most of all, I hope I'm wrong. I hate being suckered.

 

[HerpVenue]

Its clear that some of you will be loyal to these parties no matter the facts or circumstances and as such, you have no accountability to post whatever you feel will make them look like victims. It does give me a clear idea of who the players are in this game.

Pangea RESEARCH. Needs to do more RESEARCH.
A lot of these people you are accusing of being loyal.......well ... I guess you just do not have your facts straight.

The fact that I think Neil owes you absolute NOTHING does not mean I am loyal to him. On the contrary....it was not that long ago that I was grilling Neil to kingdom come. He was one of the two instances that my gut feelings were actually wrong..

Actually in Neal's case I should have listened to my gut feeling . I was right about the hired help.

 

[Blackwater Reptiles]

I Know it's none of my business but.....

To Rob...

Python molurus pimbura is not recognised as a subspecies of P.m.molurus and has not been recognised since at least 1999 C.I.T.E.S. That's why the two are treated as the same species... for all intents and purposes, they are in the eyes of the law.

As to the question of the applicability of LACEY act and Illegal intent, transport, and all that stuff.... I'm under the same impression as Ken Harbart.... if the animals are/were legally obtained (at this point there aren't anymore Indian Pythons being legally imported into the United States AFAIK), and that would mean that the animals in question would have had to have been smuggled into the US, in addition to the rest of the nonsense associated with this thread, then there could be LACEY act trouble too....

The bottom line is that these are probably mutts that look like Indian or Sri Lanka pythons, as there are probably darn few "pure" animals left...... In point of fact, many many breeders used to cross a Burmese into their "Indians" and "Sri Lankas" to get past the very restrictions this entire (waste of space IMHO) is being written about.....

Odds of these animals actually being "pure" Indian pythons is probably about the same as me being "Pure" English...... My best guess is this is much ado about nothing, but I'm neither a lawyer, toxonomist or expert on anything else, so my words add up to meaning about as much as anyone else's I guess......

Can we get back to flogging Adam Block again? Now that I have proof that he's a tiny little man, it backs up my Nepoleon Complex theory that I've been working on........

What a mess......

Tom Townsend

 

[Neil Gubitz]

WOW!....

Well, I am kind of shocked that NOBODY has even mentioned this pos I posted a couple of pages ago.... so.... HER IT IS AGAIN!!


Hey folks.... You want to see something REALLY FUNNY???.... It seems that good ole' Mr. Bowman isn't only satisfied with suing ME and STEVE.... he seems to get a kick out of (TALKING ABOUT) suing other people AND businesses.... INCLUDING KINGSNAKE.COM!!

Look what I just found!!.... This is from Mr. (Sue-happy) Bowman HIMSELF....



Im filing a lawsuit against kingsnake for conspiracy to commit fraud in that they have been sent previously letters showing clear fraud by its posters without doing a thing._ I will hit them hard in the wallet for allowing fraudulent dealers to use their forum, while violating the TOS, and not banning them from the site._ Very simply,_ they are going down.
I would love to hear from others who have had problems with kingsnake._ After I informed them of my intent, they changed their site to post a disclaimer on each page;_ albeit transparent to liability when they are well informed of illegal activity on their site, it shows they are trying to be "blameless".__
Lets keep the trade clean and run the dot com losers out of town on a rail.
Thanks
Gregory Bowman
Pangea Research Foundation


You NEVER QUIT, do you???.... ROFLMAO!!!!

....Neil

 

[ms_terese]

Where did he post that, Neil? On Fauna, or on KS?

 

[HerpVenue]

Pange Research Foundation?

Why are yo suing all these people? Do you need money that badly?

Are you suing as gregory bowman? or are yousuing as pangea Research Foundation.

And you say you are suing.........how come no one has gotten papers served yet?

 

[Darin Chappell]

Neil,

I didn't ignore it. I just saw it as one more piece of evidence on a mountain of the stuff, showing this guy to be way better at threatening a lawsuit than actually following through with one. No reason to comment on the brutally obvious, I thought.

Suing kingsnake for fraud because some users might be fraudulent in their advertising??? For some reason, the name "Don Quixote" comes to mind!

 

[Neil Gubitz]

Just in case some of you don't know.... PANGEA was the name of the continents (about 65 million years ago when the Dinosaurs ruled) when they were all squished together in one big land mass.... that "mass" was called Pangea.... when the continents "split up", then they were given their own names....

....Neil

 

[Darin Chappell]

In addition to that, the word "pangea" is a transliteration of a compund word from the ancient Greek "pan," meaning all and "gea," meaning earth. This is the reason the supposed super-continent is called "pangea," because it was supposedly all of the earth (dry land) together in one land mass.

However, given Mr. Bowman's statements about his concerns for the welfare of animals (admirable to be certain, but for someone else's property???), his statements to Rich about this site being "watched" by some unknown group, person, force (?), and the name of his company (if it exists) being one that speaks of researching all the earth, it may be that we have a bona fide animal rights activist among us. If so (and it is purely speculation on my part), THAT could be quite interesting. Especially in light of what the animal rights activists are trying to do in the molding of KS in their own image recently.

Or, it could be that Mr. Bowman just thought "pangea" was a cool name when he made up his company to go with his made up identity. I have no way of knowing, nor do I much care.


PETA

 

[Spilotes]

The guy fits the behaviors of a paranoid delusional with elements of grandiosity. He is probably manic depressive and slipped off his meds.

There is no such thing as Pangea Research,
although there is a Gregory Bowman at Aliso Viejo, CA 92656, 949-360-7806. He also hangs out on porn sites writing critiques of B movies.

Is this the same guy who pretends to be a poet? A "mental health" employee of the state correctional institute in southern California?

 

[wetceal]

Hello,

I have been somewhat following this thread because we have actually had unpleasant email exchanges with Gregory Bowman so I was interested to see exactly what was going on here.

Earlier, Gregory Bowman said:

My other experiences, however, have been wonderful with many nice, caring animal lovers who really like what they do; and do it for the love, not the buck.

I am sure if you do a search of this site, you will find I have commented on some of these people praising them for their care and concern. They certainly have my future business.

I am a verified Paypal account holder; I have no complaints against me. I have bought snakes from many of you. I have not sold a single reptile.

But from what I can tell, (I think) only one person came to Gregory Bowman's defense in this entire 12 page thread (correct me if I am wrong).

Also, for someone who is so concerned about the love of the animal, in his emails to us, he seemed especially concerned about the price/cost.

We had a large Female Burmese Python for sale on Kingsnake.com. The snake was an extremely tame animal who was about 13 feet long and huge in girth. She was priced at $500 and in the ad, it said that the price was Firm. Gregory Bowman emailed us expressing interest in the snake and asked what the best price we could offer her to him would be. I emailed him back telling him that the price was firm at $500. He emails us back saying if we could let her go for $250, he would take her. We declined his offer and restated that she was $500 firm.

About a week later, Gregory Bowman emails us again about the same snake, offering $250 yet again. Again, we decline his offer. At this point, things start to go downwards and he emails us back telling us that we don't understand who he is and what he does and how important he is. I emailed him back telling him, that's all great, but the price is still firm. He gets angry and basically starts throwing a temper tantrum.

That was our experience with him and I think it shows his character/nature. I have every single email correspondence we had (both mine and his) and can post or email them to anyone interested. Anyways, just thought I would share our experience with this guy.

Thank You,

Celia Chien
webmaster
East Bay Vivarium

 

[Darin Chappell]

Celia,

I think posting those emails here would do quite well for the purposes of this thread. Not only to indulge the curiosity of those currently reading it, but also for those who may have questions about him in the future and come upon this thread through a name search after it has drifted to the bottom of the pile.

So, please, post those emails, if you can! I, for one, would love to see some more of Mr. Bowman's words showing his own character, rather than hearing his same ol'e same ol'e about Neil or Steve!!!

 

[ms_terese]

Spilotes has made me curious.......

Does anyone really know Greg Bowman? Steve or Neil, did you ship to Aliso Viejo?

Spilotes, where did you acquire your information re: porn sites and mental health worker?

 

[HerpVenue]

Gregory Bowman.
can you tell us who you are, what you are and exactly what it is you do?

 

[wetceal]

Here are the email communications we have had with Gregory Bowman:

These were on 10/30/02 and 10/31/02:

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PICS!!

I would be interested in this snake for a breeder. What is the best price you can afford to sell her at?

Im located in the Ventura area and could come pick her up or if shipping is cheaper; would want to know how much shipping may cost.

Thank You

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----- Original Message -----
From: "East Bay Vivarium Sales" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PICS!!

Hello,
The large adult female Burmese Python is currently still available. She would make an excellent breeder because she is huge and has tremendous girth for a snake of her size. She is priced at $500 firm. If you could come and pick her up in person, that would save you a lot on shipping because shipping for her is going to be rather expensive because of her size and weight. Shipping will most likely be anywhere between $100 and $200 depending on the exact size and weight of the container she
is shipped in. We will most likely have to build a wooden crate for her because she is so big. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thank You,

Celia Chien
webmaster
East Bay Vivarium
http://www.eastbayvivarium.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...

Thanks for the information; I think i will opt out based on the price, honestly. I will be up in that area this next week; if you think you can let her go for $250, let me know. That size burmese is very hard to sell; considering its food requirements and housing and Ive been given many with the owner saying " shes eating EVERYTHING!"

Thanks again for your time.

Gregory Bowman.
(818) 894-6635

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----- Original Message -----
From: East Bay Vivarium Sales
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...

Hello,
If you are in the area, feel free to stop by and check her out as well as check out our retail store. Unfortunately she is $500 firm because that's what the owners feel that she should be priced at/is worth. Plus she is SUPER tame and definitely breeding sized and the first clutch of babies she produces would make far more than what we are asking for her (50 eggs on average at $35 per baby for example). We actually do okay with large snakes (burms and retics). We get quite a few internet inquiries about large snakes, even with the high shipping costs. Anyways, let me know if there is anything else I can do for you.

Thank You,

Celia Chien
webmaster
East Bay Vivarium
http://www.eastbayvivarium.com

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Then these emails were sent a week later starting on 11/6/02:

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PICS!!

Hello,

Ive written to you before and would like to offer you again $250 for the female burmese for my breeding collection. I am aware of her size and potential. I would be willing to sell you back any babies the first year at a much reduced price if you were to work with me on price. A snake that size can't be shipped so it is going to cost me money to drive there to pick her up.

I hope you understand my position and the potential to make a lifelong supplier of burmese and other top quality snakes from a breeder in So. Cal. My snakes are afforded the luxury of indoor rock enclosures heated with underslab hydronic heat, and an outside sunning enclosure (most are 12x12) at least.

Let me know if you would be interested in this joint venture. I assure my loyalty to friends who budge a little comes back to them with years of receprocity. I will let you decide.

Thanks again for your time

Gregory Bowman
Calumet Industries
(818) 894-6635

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----- Original Message -----
From: "East Bay Vivarium Sales" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PICS!!

Hello,
Unfortunately, the price for her is firm at $500. As much as I would like to try and work with you on this, the owners are firm on the prices of all our animals and we only give discounts to
large, multiple animal purchases. Also, your offer of $250 is 50% off of what we have her price at which there would be no way we could do (unfortunately). If you call and speak with the owners,
they *might* be able to give you some sort of discount (although honestly, I don't think they will budge on the price because it is not a bad deal for a female of that size, she really has huge
girth). Also, we can ship her. It would be around $150 to $200 for shipping, but we can definitely do it. We have shipped snakes much larger than her in the past. One last thing I wanted to
mention, since you are in California, we would unfortunately have to charge you tax on top of the total. Anyways, if you want to speak with one of the owners, just give us a call. Our phone number is (510) 841-1400 and we are open from 11am to 7pm

Thank You,

Celia Chien
webmaster
East Bay Vivarium
http://www.eastbayvivarium.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...


Thanks for your reply;

I dont think you understand; I am a wholesale animal breeder with CITIES 1 permits and a valid resale number. I try not to be very outspoken but Ive seen more tropical snakes in the wild in six months than most have seen in their entire life in a "pet store"

Ive imported some of the most valuable mutations in the world in the past and am not just a backyard enthusiast.

Im sorry if you got the wrong impression of me...

Secondly, Ive not seen your inventory but I am always buying snakes for my conservatory and not a one time buyer. I actually would have purchased four snakes in your area if your price had been appropriate.

I understand if you are brokering a snake; but the price is double what a burm that size is worth today. PERIOD. Burms that size are a dime a dozen. If she were 19 ft plus, thats another story.

Shipping would only cost more and thats not something I prefer.

I just bought 6 burmese over 14 ft in the last week; two albino, two normal; 350 and 200 respectively without the shipping cost or driving. All proven breeders and extremly healthy snakes.

After all, I remember seeing in person the three albino burmese babies in Thailand before they were stolen..........the first in the world. I write for many publications and am very active in the serious zoological field as a microbiologist studying avian and reptilian disease.

Sorry to have bothered you with my pettiness.

Gregory Bowman
Calumet Industries
Pangea Zoological Institute

PS when you run out of rabbits and want to sell that snake into a good breeding program conservancy, let me know. Thanks.

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----- Original Message -----
From: East Bay Vivarium Sales
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...


Hello,

I don't really understand why you keep emailing me about this because there is absolutely nothing I can do about the price of this particular snake. If you want to discuss this further, you are more than welcome to call us at our retail store. The price is firm because that is the price the owners want for her. There is absolutely, positively NOTHING I can do about it, even if I wanted to. The decision on what price to sell animals at is not mine, it is up to the owners and they have every right to ask anything they want for her, whether it be $250, $500, $1000 or more.

I think maybe, you don't understand that this snake is priced at $500 FIRM. We are not looking to unload her in a big hurry and therefore do not have the need to reduce our asking price by 50% in order to sell her. We are in no real rush to sell her. If we can sell her,, that's Great...but if not, the worst that will happen is that we will add her to our OWN Burmese Python breeding projects. We have plenty of rabbits to feed not only her but ALL the other big snakes (burmese pythons, african rock pythons, indian pythons, reticulated pythons, etc. since you like to name names of what you have) we have, not only the ones available for sale but the ones in OUR breeding projects.

I'm glad to hear that you are such a big time breeder and that you get such great deals on animals...that is great for you and the more power to you. I do not doubt your credibility or who you are at all. That isn't even at issue here. I did not have the wrong impression of you before...I didn't really think anything of this situation other than the fact that I, personally, can NOT lower the price on the animal for you and I gave you my honest opinion that I didn't think the owners would be willing to either. We are a retail store so the prices for our animals are RETAIL PRICES. While we do wholesale occassionally, we do not have any animals available for wholesale at this time and the big female Burmese Python is definitely not available as a wholesale animal. I'm sorry I can't do anything for you. Like I've already said again and again, if you would like to discuss this any further, please give us a call at our retail store and ask to speak with one of the owners.

Thank You,

Celia Chien
webmaster
East Bay Vivarium
http://www.eastbayvivarium.com

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Then two emails in a row from Gregory Bowman:

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...


thanks;

I would think it would be a lot easier to forward it to the owners yourself; obviously you dont have a clue as to sales.

East Bay...............OFF my list.


Have a nice webmaster day.


GEESH

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...


P.S.

Who the hell are you if you are the contact person and cannot make decision on selling a snake or even contact the owner to discuss a potential sale; who the hell are you anyhow? a broker for a retail store with a mark up? I don't get angry very often but you are on my LOSER LIST.........take heed.........no one needs this in the industry.

FORWARDED TO KINGSNAKE.COM

Life is too short to deal with morons.

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----- Original Message -----
From: East Bay Vivarium Sales
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...


I am trying not to be like you are and have this whole situation turn into a big ugly thing but obviously, it is already too late for that. I try to expect some level of maturity from others but sometimes, even that is too much to ask for. To answer your question, the owners do not have regular access to the internet and email. I could forward your email to them, but they are far to busy to be able to sit down and type out a long email explaining why we price things the way we do and why (repeatedly) they need to tell you that are prices are firm...chances are you would never get a response back.

Read your own email replys and see how moronic you are acting and how defensive and aggressive your last three emails are. I have tried to deal and respond to your emails in nothing short of a completely professional manner but unfortunatley, it seems that you just can not let this go. Probably the best thing for me to have done would have been to ignore your emails completely. Now, Because you aren't getting what you want (which is completely unreasonable to begin with because once again, you are asking for a 50% discount on an animal) you now must resort to lame threats, name calling, and just a general all around tantrum. It does not matter...that is your choice. You can do anything you want.

I am the contact person for the East Bay Vivarium and I can reinforce and reaffirm to customers, the decisions the owners make about the price for selling an animal at. ONCE AGAIN: the Burmese Python is PRICED AT $500 FIRM. THAT IS THE DECISION. I think I have probably typed these EXACT words to you about 4 or 5 times now which is pretty ridiculous in itself. I am not a broker and we are not a brokers. ONCE AGAIN: WE ARE A RETAIL STORE. What people in this industry do not need are others who try and try and try to talk a price down and when their attempts are refused, they go crazy and can't seem to let things go. I'm sorry you are angry but that's life. I'm sorry you don't like the price of the animal...but you know, there is a very simple answer to that...don't buy her. That's your choice and your right. What the price is set at is our choice and our right. Go ahead and forward whatever you want to Kingsnake.com. I know that we have done absolutely nothing wrong and I can assure Jeff Barringer of this personally with all the proof from the ridiculous email communications we have had with you.

Please do not waste any more of my time.

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And his final reply:

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----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Message about: BIG TAME Adult Female Burmese Python...READY TO BREED...PI...


Fair enough

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Thank You,

Celia Chien
webmaster
East Bay Vivarium