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Gulf of Mexico oil geyser

The more I learn about this, and as the puzzle pieces snap together, the more saddened I become. The volcanic activity theory is a very interesting one, and I hadn't heard that take on things before. I appreciate the folks who are sharing the videos and info they find. I wish BP were as forthcoming with information and the truth, to let us decide for ourselves how we feel about it all.

To those who live at ground zero on this thing, you're in my thoughts and prayers. Especially with hurricane season headed this way.

Check out figure four (4) on this page -> http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/rrusso/florida_eq.html

Obviously that oil field was under tremendous pressure when that oil rig tapped into it. My guess is either they CAN'T contain that much pressure to cap off the well. Or the entire area is no so unstable that leaks are coming up everywhere and they are afraid of what might happen if they put the cork back in and the pressure spikes.

Evidently there was a 6.0 earthquake in the Gulf back in September of 2006. Anyone think setting off a nuke (yes, I have seen suggestions to do just that!) in that compressed and stressed strata is going to be a real good idea? Why didn't the engineers know about the stress that area is under after Katrina dumped all the sediment into the Gulf? It probably was like drilling a hole into a soda can after you shook it up for several minutes.
 
The more I learn about this, and as the puzzle pieces snap together, the more saddened I become. The volcanic activity theory is a very interesting one, and I hadn't heard that take on things before. I appreciate the folks who are sharing the videos and info they find. I wish BP were as forthcoming with information and the truth, to let us decide for ourselves how we feel about it all.

To those who live at ground zero on this thing, you're in my thoughts and prayers. Especially with hurricane season headed this way.

Have you also heard about certain persons selling off BP stock three weeks before this incident? :rolleyes:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/?news_id=9027

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...yward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html

This may very well be a criminal matter with very far reaching implications...

Why isn't the US government more directly involved? Does anyone else think there is some substantial foot dragging going on despite the severity and magnitude of this disaster?
 
Have you also heard about certain persons selling off BP stock three weeks before this incident? :rolleyes:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/?news_id=9027

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...yward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html

This may very well be a criminal matter with very far reaching implications...

Why isn't the US government more directly involved? Does anyone else think there is some substantial foot dragging going on despite the severity and magnitude of this disaster?

The government more than likely has no idea what to do, i mean, when the director of "Titanic" is asked his opinion on this matter, than you know this country is in serious trouble in regards to disaster response. First there was Bush with Hurricane Katrina, and now Obama with the Gulf oil spill. God forbid what would happen if there was a Nuclear strike at this country:ack2::ack2:
 
I'd heard of that, but am hoping there is still some decency left in the world somewhere and that it's just a horrible coincidence.

Foot dragging - I agree wholeheartedly. That plus their stubbornness to give any in-depth info as to the true reach of this disaster is just... for once I lack the words to express how I feel. They know what's going on, but they aren't telling us.
 
My heart is in my throat, after reading that article:( That's all i can say right now, except my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by this disaster at the moment.
 
This may very well be a criminal matter with very far reaching implications...

Yes but nothing will come of it, research 911


Why isn't the US government more directly involved?

Could it be because our government is owned by corporations?


Does anyone else think there is some substantial foot dragging going on despite the severity and magnitude of this disaster?

Not really they are covering things up as quickly possible. :thumbsup:
 
Could it be because our government is owned by corporations?

Apparently so, it seems....

Air space over oil disaster restricted, media access limited

BP’s latest efforts at containing the oil spill were given a huge assist this week by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), by way of temporary flight restrictions over much of the Deepwater Horizon well’s impacted area.

A new Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) issued late Wednesday night restricts air flights over BP’s Gulf of Mexico catastrophe and ultimately limits the media’s ability to provide current photography and video of much of the affected area. A map on the FAA website shows the controlled air space stretches from Louisiana to Florida and off-shore below the well site.

In part, the NOTAM states: “All aircraft operations are prohibited except those flights authorized by ATC, routine flights supporting offshore oil operations; federal, state, local and military flight operations supporting oil spill recovery and reconstitution efforts; and air medical and law enforcement operations.”

It goes on to state that numerous low level operations associated with the blown-out well have forced the restricted air space below 3,000 feet. These low level operations include aircraft making “sudden changes in direction, speed, and altitude.”

This latest move by a federal agency gives a clear indication of who is actually in charge of the US government. Blocking media access to much of the area where the oil debacle is most visible helps validate earlier reports by the media about restricted travel over and into the contaminated zone.

The NOTAM, issued on June 9 by the FAA, is a direct contradiction to President Obama’s insistence that BP provide more transparency, as noted in a letter from Obama’s point man, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, to BP CEO Tony Hayward.

The FAA notice also impacts documentary efforts of the worst man-made environmental disaster in the country’s history and will help BP in its containment efforts at public opinion, seeing how its containment efforts with the blown-out well have been futile thus far.

The New York Times reports journalists are repeatedly being denied access to public areas impacted by the environmental polluter’s unimpeded assault on the food chain. Those denying access to the media include not only BP, but local law enforcement, government officials and the US Coast Guard.
Michael Oreskes, a senior managing editor with the Associated Press, compares the Gulf situation with the embedding of reporters and military operations in Afghanistan.

“There is a continued effort to keep control over the access,” Mr. Oreskes said. “And even in places where the government is cooperating with us to provide access, it’s still a problem because it’s still access obtained through the government.”

In the NOTAM, the FAA identifies the nature of the oil catastrophe as being “dynamic” and for that reason all approved flights are subject to last-minute changes or cancellations.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293304
 
Note the estimate in the text of the volume of flow possibly being as high as 100,000 barrels of oil per day

New estimates: BP oil debacle at 25,000 to 30,000 barrels per day

Government scientists on Thursday have doubled their previous estimates on the flow of oil pouring from BP’s runaway well in the Gulf of Mexico, making the newest numbers a stunning 25,000 to 30,000 barrels of oil. Per day.

New calculations on the BP oil spill dwarf the previous estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels per day. The new numbers of 25,000 to 30,000 barrels per day, possibly as high as 40,000 barrels per day, more than double previous numbers and will undoubtedly lead to a showdown between BP and the US government over the amount of money BP will be asked to pay for cleaning up the environmental disaster as well as the amount levied against the environmental polluter in the the way of fines.

The new estimate will also increase, or confirm, suspicions many Americans feel over BP’s early estimates of 5,000 barrels per day, and reports suggest the new numbers will increase political pressure on BP, pressure that has begun to intensify in recent days.

The Flow Rate Technical Group (FRTG), a team of experts from universities and government science agencies, had based their previous estimates on information provided by BP, information that proved to be inadequate for an accurate appraisal, according to a report in McClatchy earlier this week.

FRTG, under the direction of National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen, and the leadership of Dr. Marcia McNutt, director of the US Geological Survey, along with a scientific team led by Energy Secretary Steven Chu, have analyzed new data and combined it with several scientific methodologies to arrive at the new estimate.

“Developing accurate and scientifically grounded oil flow rate information is vital, both in regards to the continued response and recovery, as well as the important role this information may play in the final investigation of the failure of the blowout preventer and the resulting spill,” said Admiral Allen.

According to Allen, more than one million gallons of dispersant have been used on the oil disaster. “We’re starting to limit the dispersants on the surface to where we need it for safety reasons—for putting down volatile organic compounds or when we have a spill of such magnitude where dispersants have a direct affect in trying to limit our dispersant application to the subsea injections and over 4 million gallons have been recovered either through the riser insertion tube or our containment cap so far,” Allen said in his Friday morning press briefing.

While Allen references the increased flow rate of oil after the riser was cut as “whatever increase there might have been after the cut in the riser pipe,” a scientist on the FRTG suggests the unimpeded flow of oil after the June 3 cutting of the pipe could be 100,000 barrels per day.

Ira Leifer, associate researcher at the Marine Science Institute of the University of California, said that the rate of flow from the blown out well has been increasing over time, most notably since BP’s failed “top kill” effort last month. His research is based, in part, on satellite data and he notes the flow rate was actually increasing before the riser pipe was cut.

"The situation is growing worse," Leifer said.

Leifer also suggests the increase in flow since the severing of the riser pipe last week is far greater than the 20 percent estimate that BP and the Obama administration had predicted before the pipe cutting. Another number is being prepared by the FRTG that will cover the period after the pipe cutting, according to the New York Times.

Dr. McNutt, on Thursday, announced that three of the scientific teams had reached their new assessment based on detailed analysis of flow rates from the Deepwater Horizon well before June 3, the day the riser was cut.

“Each of the methodologies that the scientific teams is using has its advantages and shortcomings, which is why it is so important that we take several scientific approaches to solving this problem, that the teams continue working to refine their analyses and assessments, and that those many data points inform the updated best estimate that we are developing, ” said Dr. McNutt, in the official announcement by the Deepwater Horizon Incident Joint Information Center.

Referencing the upcoming meeting next week between President Obama and BP officials, Allen said “it was time to sit down and talk.”

In an attempt to allay fears over BP’s ability to pay dividends to stockholders, BP spokesman Andrew Gowers said: “We intend to meet all our obligations to all our stakeholders. We are a very financially strong company.”

Regardless, Credit Suisse has estimated the cleanup costs at $15 billion to $23 billion, with an additional $14 billion in claims.

As the crude oil continues its trek through the Gulf’s waters, Florida is bracing itself for the inevitable impact upon its tourism industry. The state, along with Escambia County officials, have announced the closing of Pensacola Pass to any vessel traffic during flood tide. Pensacola Pass will reopen during the ebb tide cycle and this plan will remain in effect until further notice.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293281

Referencing the upcoming meeting next week between President Obama and BP officials, Allen said “it was time to sit down and talk.”

Bullcrap! The time for talk is long passed. Now is the time to damn well DO something!
 
Maybe the reason BP doesn't want cameras in Louisiana at the coast....

 
I don't think BP even cares about what has happened.

I tell you what Rich, our way of life is going to change in the very near future. Florida is going to have this crap from one end to the other on the entire West coast. All the coastal communities will be going under. This is going to ruin the state as well as the other states that border the Gulf Of Mexico. I can't publically say what I would like to do to BP executives. But it aint pretty.
 
Rich, I don't know how far your house is from the Gulf, but mine (as a crow flies) is around two miles from the Gulf. This is going to ruin the entire community. I am about 30 minutes North of Clearwater, right off 19.
 
http://theintelhub.com/2010/06/13/epidemic-hazard-for-venice-la-corexits-reign-of-terror/

June 13, 2010

Shepard Ambellas and Alex Thomas

As information regarding the possible evacuation of the Gulf pours in, we now have reports that an epidemic hazard was issued almost two weeks ago. According to RSOE EDIS, a website that has a close partnership with the Hungarian government, this hazard was issued for Venice Louisiana on May 26th, 2010. Reports of nausea and trouble breathing due to the toxic dispersant known as Corexit,seem to be flooding in.

In their two week old report, RSOE stated that British Petroleum workers from all over the Gulf have been getting sick at an alarming rate. Furthermore, the epidemic hazard was declared less than 100 km from an area with a population of over 3 million.

“BP spokesman Graham McEwen said Tuesday he was unaware of any health complaints among cleanup workers, noting that the company had taken hundreds of samples of so-called volatile organic carbons, such as benzene, and all the levels were well within federal safety standards.”

As you can see, BP has refused to give up on its outlandish law that somehow a known neurotoxin will have absolutely no adverse effects on the surrounding population. This toxin was banned by the UK in 1998 but was somehow approved by the EPA and used by BP. Recently, the EPA has demanded BP to stop using the dispersant. BP flat out refused.

Not only have numerous eye witnesses reported medical tents located on the beach but a congressman has gone as far as to declare the need for mobile health clinics. Residents have also reported smelling chemicals in Port St Joe.

Click here for an archived listen to last nights show, Inch By Inch. Callers confirming troop movements as well as possible FEMA in Florida.

“A congressman has called for mobile health clinics to treat them. Some fisherman who have been hired by BP to clean up the gulf oil spill say they have become ill after working long hours near waters fouled with oil and dispersant, prompting a Louisiana lawmaker to call on the federal government to open mobile clinics in rural areas to treat them.”

Federally run mobile health clinics? FEMA?

On the same site there is yet another alert that was put out in early May. This alert stated, “Environmental Pollution, Catastrophic.” The report listed the states Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. There are also continued fears that the massive plume underneath the spill will greatly complicate any possible chance of cleanup. The NOAA’s research has also proved that, “vast quantities of oil have spread not just along the ocean’s surface, but at a great depth underwater.” This site estimated that as of May 1st an estimated 910,000 gallons of toxic dispersant have been dumped into the Gulf. That is enough to fill over 100 tanker trucks to capacity.

Even the mainstream news has not been able to hide from the fact that there are at least ten specific cases where workers have been exposed to the dispersant and fallen ill. The overlying fact is that these chemicals aren’t going anywhere whether there is oil in the Gulf or not. The Intel Hub has had reports from callers in Florida who claim that rain water has already had an adverse effect on their plants somewhat similar to the recent local news reports. On top of that, according to ABC, sharks have turned up on a Florida beach completely disorientated.

The reports on the air quality in and around Venice seem to back up these claims. Infowars.com has reported that the levels of Hydrogen Sulfide and Benzene in the air are at least 1,200 parts per billion! According to the government, the allowed amount of Hydrogen Sulfide and Benzene is 5-10 parts per billion.

Patriots around the world will continue to monitor and report on the situation in the Gulf even as reporters are denied access to people on public property. A vast network of people have worked to uncover the facts regarding this spill and will continue to do so as long as the mainstream news remains in the control by the very people who caused this problem in the first place.

Another Oil Spill :ack2:

 
It's getting to be pretty tough to find any CURRENT information about this.

BP Official Admits to Damage BENEATH THE SEA FLOOR

“Doomsday” Cover-Up: BP Official Admits to Damage BENEATH THE SEA FLOOR!

Washington’s Blog
June 12, 2010

As I noted Tuesday, there is growing evidence that BP’s oil well – technically called the “well casing” or “well bore” – has suffered damage beneath the level of the sea floor.

The evidence is growing stronger and stronger that there is substantial damage beneath the sea floor. Indeed, it appears that BP officials themselves have admitted to such damage. This has enormous impacts on both the amount of oil leaking into the Gulf, and the prospects for quickly stopping the leak this summer.

On May 31st, the Washington Post noted:
Sources at two companies involved with the well said that BP also discovered new damage inside the well below the seafloor and that, as a result, some of the drilling mud that was successfully forced into the well was going off to the side into rock formations.

“We discovered things that were broken in the sub-surface,” said a BP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. He said that mud was making it “out to the side, into the formation.”

On June 2nd, Bloomberg pointed out:
Plugging the well is another challenge even after BP successfully intersects it, Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor, said. BP has said it believes the well bore to be damaged, which could hamper efforts to fill it with mud and set a concrete plug, Bea said.

Bea is an expert in offshore drilling and a high-level governmental adviser concerning disasters.

On the same day, the Wall Street Journal noted that there might be a leak in BP’s well casing 1,000 feet beneath the sea floor:
BP PLC has concluded that its “top-kill” attempt last week to seal its broken well in the Gulf of Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar with BP’s findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the wellbore.

On June 7th, Senator Bill Nelson told MSNBC that he’s investigating reports of oil seeping up from additional leak points on the seafloor:
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL): Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.

Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC: Now let me understand better what you’re saying. If that is true that it is coming up form that seabed, even the relief well won’t be the final solution to cap this thing. That means that we’ve got oil gushing up at disparate places along the ocean floor.

Sen. Nelson: That is possible, unless you get the plug down low enough, below where the pipe would be breached.

Indeed, loss of integrity in the well itself may explain why BP is drilling its relief wells more than ten thousand feet beneath the leaking pipes on the seafloor (and see this).

Yesterday, recently-retired Shell Oil President John Hofmeister said that the well casing below the sea floor may have been compromised:
[Question] What are the chances that the well casing below the sea floor has been compromised, and that gas and oil are coming up the outside of the well casing, eroding the surrounding soft rock. Could this lead to a catastrophic geological failure, unstoppable even by the relief wells?

John Hofmeister: This is what some people fear has occurred. It is also why the “top kill” process was halted. If the casing is compromised the well is that much more difficult to shut down, including the risk that the relief wells may not be enough. If the relief wells do not result in stopping the flow, the next and drastic step is to implode the well on top of itself, which carries other risks as well.

As noted yesterday in The Engineer magazine, an official from Cameron International – the manufacturer of the blowout preventer for BP’s leaking oil drilling operation – noted that one cause of the failure of the BOP could have been damage to the well bore:
Steel casing or casing hanger could have been ejected from the well and blocked the operation of the rams.
Oil industry expert Rob Cavner believes that the casing might be damaged beneath the sea floor, noting:

The real doomsday scenario here… is if that casing gives up, and it does come through the other strings of pipe. Remember, it is concentric pipe that holds this well together. If it comes into the formation, basically, you‘ve got uncontrolled [oil] flow to the sea floor. And that is the doomsday scenario.

Cavner also said BP must “keep the well flowing to minimize oil and gas going out into the formation on the side”:

And prominent oil industry insider Matt Simmons believes that the well casing may have been destroyed when the oil rig exploded. Simmons was an energy adviser to President George W. Bush, is an adviser to the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and is a member of the National Petroleum Council and the Council on Foreign Relations.

We have a right to know what’s really going on.

Given the impact on America’s people, natural resources and economy, BP and the government must fully disclose the amount of damage underneath the sea floor, and what that means for the efforts to cap the well.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/06/evidence-points-to-destruction-beneath.html
 
Well, how about this?



Speaking of Alex Jones...
This is actually an older video, but maybe some more pieces to the puzzle are embedded in here....

 
Rich, I don't know how far your house is from the Gulf, but mine (as a crow flies) is around two miles from the Gulf. This is going to ruin the entire community. I am about 30 minutes North of Clearwater, right off 19.

We are about 12 miles, straight line, from the Gulf. I'm thinking maybe we need to go visit Connie's family in Delaware REAL SOON.
 
It is getting harder to find information. As far as Alex Jones I believe he's a public spokesman for the New World Order. He does omit many truths but also spins in a bit of misinformation.
 
Nice, Rich. Thanks for posting that. Can't say I'm surprised .. I expect nothing less from BP or our own self-serving government.

It just proves what is sorely lacking in the world when it is most needed ... balls and brains.
 
Revelation 8:8 The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood; 9 And a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.
 
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