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Gulf of Mexico oil geyser

Just to show you how paranoid this is all making me, yesterday, and then today for a short spell, the internet dropped off line from Comcast. Honestly, I was pretty damn near to jumping in the car and hightailing it out of here.....

I'm thinking that they are SERIOUSLY considering setting off a nuke to try to close off that rupture, as at this point, I think they have just run out of any other options. Thing is, do you really think they will tell anyone beforehand and have to weather the storm of protest that would result from announcing a decision like that? I seriously doubt it. So what they would do is to go ahead and implement it with fingers crossed, being convinced that they have no choice. It if works, they will congratulate themselves as heros and put down the "after the fact" protests by simply pointing to the fact that it worked.

However, if it DOESN'T work, well, I think it really won't matter anyway what anyone thinks about it. But one thing for certain, I REALLY don't want Connie and I to be HERE when they try it. I'm guessing we are about 300 miles from (literally!) ground zero, which is far closer than I want to be if a nuke is set off in the Gulf of Mexico within a likely fractured seabed with flammable fluid and gases all over the place. :ack2:
 
Did anyone else catch the quote in the video where the guy says the ship (Thomas Jefferson) couldn't get within three miles of the well bore because there was too much FIRE around it? WHAT fire?

Is there any RECENT video of the area where the oil "volcano" available anywhere, or is that all under a complete news black out?

I know they are burining oil off of the surface of the water. I don't know if that is what they are refering to or not.

And about your nuke statement. There is no way they would announce that they were going to set off a nuke. It would cause all kinds of problems with people that surround the Gulf. Protest and panic would be widespread.
 
Did anyone else catch the quote in the video where the guy says the ship (Thomas Jefferson) couldn't get within three miles of the well bore because there was too much FIRE around it? WHAT fire?

Is there any RECENT video of the area where the oil "volcano" available anywhere, or is that all under a complete news black out?

Somewhere I saw pictures of fire burning on top of the water I just forget where I saw it.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6745627342652553091# If you don't care to watch the whole video at least listen from 40 minutes in regarding "Ecology Pollution Below" it might just blow your mind!!
 
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How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could kill millions

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by Terrence Aym http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions

Disturbing evidence is mounting that something frightening is happening deep under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico—something far worse than the BP oil gusher.

Warnings were raised as long as a year before the Deepwater Horizon disaster that the area of seabed chosen by the BP geologists might be unstable, or worse, inherently dangerous.

What makes the location that Transocean chose potentially far riskier than other potential oil deposits located at other regions of the Gulf? It can be summed up with two words: methane gas.

team committed one error after another.

Congressmen Henry Waxman, D-CA, and Bart Stupak, D-MI, in a letter sent to BP CEO Tony Hayward, identified 5 missteps made by BP during the period culminating with the explosion.

Waxman, chair of the Congressional energy panel and Stupak, the head of the subcommittee on oversight and investigations, said, "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety."

The two Representatives also stated in the 14-page letter to Hayward that "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense."

Called by some insiders investigating the ongoing disaster a "perfect storm of catastrophe," the wellhead blew on the sea floor catapulting a stream of mud, oil and gas upwards at the speed of sound.

In describing the events—that transpired in a matter of seconds—they note that immediately following the rupture the borehole pipe's casing blew away exposing a straight line 8 miles deep for the pressurized gas to escape. The result was cavitation, an irregular pressure variance sometimes experience by deep diving vessels such as nuclear submarines. This cavitation created a supersonic bubble of explosive methane gas that resulted in a supersonic explosion killing 11 men and completely annihilating the drilling platform.

Death from the depths

With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish.

As horrible as that is, what would follow is an event so potentially horrific that it equals in its fury the Indonesian tsunami that killed more than 600,000, or the destruction of Pompeii by Mt. Vesuvius.

The ultimate Gulf disaster, however, would make even those historical horrors pale by comparison. If the huge methane bubble breaches the seabed, it will erupt with an explosive fury similar to that experienced during the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens in the Pacific Northwest. A gas gusher will surge upwards through miles of ancient sedimentary rock—layer after layer—past the oil reservoir. It will explode upwards propelled by 50 tons psi, burst through the cracks and fissures of the compromised sea floor, and rupture miles of ocean bottom with one titanic explosion.

The burgeoning methane gas cloud will surface, killing everything it touches, and set off a supersonic tsunami with the wave traveling somewhere between 400 to 600 miles per hour.

While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the fury of a supersonic wave towering 100 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine State only averages about 6 inches above sea level. A supersonic tsunami would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia—a state with no Gulf coastline—would also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Loss of property is virtually incalculable and the days of the US position as the world's superpower would be literally gone in a flash...of detonating methane.

Evidence that methane gas catastrophe may be building





The same methane that makes coal mining operations hazardous and leads to horrendous mining accidents deep under the earth also can present a high level of danger to certain oil exploration ventures.

Location of Deepwater Horizon oil rig was criticized

More than 12 months ago some geologists rang the warning bell that the Deepwater Horizon exploratory rig might have been erected directly over a huge underground reservoir of methane.

Documents from several years ago indicate that the subterranean geologic formation may contain the presence of a huge methane deposit.

None other than the engineer who helped lead the team to snuff the Gulf oil fires set by Saddam Hussein to slow the advance of American troops has stated that a huge underground lake of methane gas—compressed by a pressure of 100,000 pounds per square inch (psi)—could be released by BP's drilling effort to obtain the oil deposit.

Current engineering technology cannot contain gas that is pressurized to 100,000 psi.

By some geologists' estimates the methane could be a massive 15 to 20 mile toxic and explosive bubble trapped for eons under the Gulf sea floor. In their opinion, the explosive destruction of the Deepwater Horizon wellhead was an accident just waiting to happen.

Yet the disaster that followed the loss of the rig pales by comparison to the apocalyptic disaster that may come.

A cascading catastrophe

According to worried geologists, the first signs that the methane may burst its way through the bottom of the ocean would be fissures or cracks appearing on the ocean floor near the damaged well head.

Evidence of fissures opening up on the seabed have been captured by the robotic submersibles working to repair and contain the ruptured well. Smaller, independent plumes have also appeared outside the nearby radius of the bore hole itself.

According to some geological experts, BP's operations set into motion a series of events that may be irreversible. Step-by-step the drilling.
 
Wipe out a huge number of the worlds population and destroy the economy of the US in one single act.

Would not surprise me at all if something like this is happening. I mean, why would you turn away volunteers unless you knew you wouldn't need more because very soon there will be nothing left to clean up?
 
The question on my mind is, is the government HIDING evidence of a bonafide catastrophe? I'm trying to figure out what "canaries" to be watching, and one of the accounts I read or watched indicated that the oil coming out of the well is very hot. Something like 500+ degrees. Well with the quantity and amount of time this very hot fluid has been coming out, I would think it would make a recordable effect on the temperature of the Gulf of Mexico, with the hottest areas naturally being the closest to the well. So I thought I would take a look around to see if I could find any data supporting this hypothesis.

Here's what I found -> http://imars.usf.edu/cgi-bin/db?site=gulf&mode=daily&type=st&date=2010.06

So can someone tell me if it is ONLY me that cannot see any of those images on that site? All I see are red 'X's for all of the images.

Now I did find one site that is missing a lot of data points, but the data that IS shown there is pretty darn interesting, and somewhat alarming..

gulf_temps_061810_a.jpg


http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/egof.html

Notice where you can compare current temps with the historical average, the temps right now are 4 to 5 degrees HIGHER than normal.

I also suspect that seismic effects would be noted if fissures are forming in the crust around the well head. So far I have seen none on the site I am looking at for this data, but quite honestly, I'm beginning to doubt the accuracy of the data available to the public at this point. Quite frankly, if something horrendous DOES happen, then whoever is withholding the information to allow concerned parties to make rational decisions about their own welfare and safety will be culpable for their actions.

Yeah, I know, I'm sounding paranoid, but at this point, I think it would be foolish to NOT feel that way.
 
The question on my mind is, is the government HIDING evidence of a bonafide catastrophe? I'm trying to figure out what "canaries" to be watching, and one of the accounts I read or watched indicated that the oil coming out of the well is very hot. Something like 500+ degrees. Well with the quantity and amount of time this very hot fluid has been coming out, I would think it would make a recordable effect on the temperature of the Gulf of Mexico, with the hottest areas naturally being the closest to the well. So I thought I would take a look around to see if I could find any data supporting this hypothesis.

Here's what I found -> http://imars.usf.edu/cgi-bin/db?site=gulf&mode=daily&type=st&date=2010.06

So can someone tell me if it is ONLY me that cannot see any of those images on that site? All I see are red 'X's for all of the images.

Now I did find one site that is missing a lot of data points, but the data that IS shown there is pretty darn interesting, and somewhat alarming..


http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/egof.html

Notice where you can compare current temps with the historical average, the temps right now are 4 to 5 degrees HIGHER than normal.

I also suspect that seismic effects would be noted if fissures are forming in the crust around the well head. So far I have seen none on the site I am looking at for this data, but quite honestly, I'm beginning to doubt the accuracy of the data available to the public at this point. Quite frankly, if something horrendous DOES happen, then whoever is withholding the information to allow concerned parties to make rational decisions about their own welfare and safety will be culpable for their actions.

Yeah, I know, I'm sounding paranoid, but at this point, I think it would be foolish to NOT feel that way.

First of all, you are not paranoid, and you are certainly not foolish. This is as serious as serious gets.

Anything down that far in the earth's crust is going to be hot. How hot, I don't know, but it is to be expected.

As for the red "X" is concerned, you need a user name and password to see the information, at least that's what I got out of it. It did ask me for a user name and password when I tried to navigate.

Our government is not going to come out and tell us squat. If the gas is forming a bubble under the crust and it has the potential to blow out like I read, our government is not going to tell us that. I have seen video footage of the ocean floor being cracked and oil coming up out of those cracks. So in my opinion there is no canary. It will happen so fast there will be no time to do anything and there will be no warning.

Here is the thing, if that gas pocket blows like they are saying it could, you will have no time to evacuate once it blows. I figure I will have about an hour of life left once it blows, or if it blows. What do you do?????? Believe me, I wish I had that answer.
 
First of all, you are not paranoid, and you are certainly not foolish. This is as serious as serious gets.

Anything down that far in the earth's crust is going to be hot. How hot, I don't know, but it is to be expected.

As for the red "X" is concerned, you need a user name and password to see the information, at least that's what I got out of it. It did ask me for a user name and password when I tried to navigate.

Our government is not going to come out and tell us squat. If the gas is forming a bubble under the crust and it has the potential to blow out like I read, our government is not going to tell us that. I have seen video footage of the ocean floor being cracked and oil coming up out of those cracks. So in my opinion there is no canary. It will happen so fast there will be no time to do anything and there will be no warning.

Here is the thing, if that gas pocket blows like they are saying it could, you will have no time to evacuate once it blows. I figure I will have about an hour of life left once it blows, or if it blows. What do you do?????? Believe me, I wish I had that answer.

I would think that if there were a strong possibility that this methane bubble threat is real, then those in the know wouldn't have their ships out there.

Or maybe they would. Perhaps a better rule of thumb is how far away from ground zero the people IN THE KNOW, actually are at any given time.
 
Oil Volcano Pressure Too Strong For Containment
Dr. James P. Wickstrom
6-9-10

It has been estimated by experts that the pressure which blows the oil into the Gulf waters is estimated to be between 20,000 and 70,000 PSI (pounds per square inch). Impossible to control.

What US Scientists Are Forbidden To Tell The Public About The Gulf

What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration.

They are under the threat of severe repercussions to the max.. Scientists confirming these findings cannot be named due to the above, but what they believe, they want to be known by all.

Take a U. S. map, lay it flat and measure inland just the minimum 50 miles of total destruction all around the Gulf of Mexico as to what you will read below.

The carnage to the United States is so staggering, it will take your breathe away.

Should what the scientists who are trying to warn everyone about be even close to being true... all of Florida will be completely destroyed as will everyone and everything on it.

You decide!! Everyone has the right to read what I have just written in this article, as well as to what is written below by the scientists who the Obama administration and BP are trying to shut up.

Please share with as many as you can.

--Dr. James P. Wickstrom

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/05/05/learning/oilslickLN/oilslickLN-blogSpan.jpg

SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day.

The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months.

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS

At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.

The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.

The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole.

Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.

(End of scientists information release.) From Tom Buyea FL News Service


Comment
Joseph Fasciani
6-9-10


Jeff - As I wrote in the PS and Comment to another article, HS physics tells us that a liquid cannot be compressed. Period.
Perhaps this statement you posted, http://www.rense.com/general91/oilor.htm, will help the wake-up call.

As he points out:

The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

If HS sheeple had elementary physics, chemistry, biology, botany, and zoology BEFORE leaving HS, the MSM could not hood wink so many so often. -Joseph


Comment

Robert Morningstar

FYI...Jeff Rense is right...

Robert M*


To: Ted O.
Subject: update on the oil spill
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:30:22 -0500

Hi, Ted:
You probably will not be surprised to learn that the situation is much worse than the mainstream media are reporting. We have a geyser of lies from BP and the WH.

Some friends have kept track of the situation. One is a retired troubleshooter for big oil and another is a very bright physicist who is working with other scientists to develop some strategies for coping with the spill.

It now appears that degradation of the sea floor and well casing may soon allow the pressure of the effluent to spit out whatever is still blocking the flow (probably pieces of the casing) and push the blowout preventer aside. If that happens there will be a dramatic increase in the flow.

BP has quietly advanced the completion date for a relief well to Christmas. It is not clear that a relief well will actually be able to stop the spill. The relief well has to intercept the bore of the wild well at a place where the casing has integrity, and no one knows whether that place might be or even if it exists.

By August enough oil may have been released to pose a serious threat to life in the Atlantic Ocean. There is no way to keep it out of deep currents that will carry it everywhere.

Today someone posted a disturbing forecast on rense.com.
http://rense.com/general91/oilor.htm
I sent it to the physicist, hoping he would say it was exaggeraged. He replied:
"I read Rense.com also.

"I already sent the article out to our "group" for their opinion. Two of the best geologists and oil-well experts in the country are in our little klatsch. It was their opinion that no BOP in existence would have contained the overpressure. From day one I was arguing that the pipes were being eroded. I think the quoted pressures are off by a factor of 10, but even 7000 psi is nothing to sneeze at. Remember my worry of "fracking" and steam formation? Now people can get it from both ends of the horse. Yes I believe the website is quite credible.

"Let me scare you even more. Fracking can proceed to where many of the so-called oil wells are joined, since there is only one really big deposit underlying the entire GoM shelf. Yep, all the way to your neck of the woods. All the platforms are really sucking teats from a single sow. A chain reaction is possible, eroding all the walls, going down to as far as Venezuela as a worst-case scenario. And remember, that South American deposit extends all the way, nearly to the Antarctic. The Falklands war was over possession of the oil. Estimates of several trillion barrels of oil can be let loose.

"Other that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

---end quote--
I don't know about the tsunami. I don't see how anyone can predict that with precision. However I think the discharge of that hydrocarbon reservoir will result in geological changes including subsidence of fairly large areas that are currently dry land.

Considering the pssiblity that mass evacuations may be required, it is probably not a coincidence that Northcomm is gearing up for military action inside the United States.

The federal attention is all on Florida right now. Bobby Jindal and his citizens are being left to twist in the wind. Serves them right for being Republicans. <-- WH attitude.

That could be to your benefit, since we all know that when the feds take control chaos follows.

The oil contains volatiles that are toxic and carcinogenic. If you can smell heavy oil you are undoubtedly breathing much more than the EPA safe limits of these gases. Workers are trying to clean up this material wearing boots and gloves. They should be in protective clothing with respirators. BP is lying about the toxicity of the oil along with everything else.

This isn't good news, but I thought you should know.

Maybe NO is in less danger than Florida. The feds seem to think so.

Love,

Shelley

http://www.rense.com/general91/oilor.htm
 
With Florida basically floating on water I wouldn't doubt it would be totally destroyed etc etc.

Something else I may add is being 100+ miles inland and here is why.


http://www.naturalnews.com/024734_America_The_Constitution_travel.html

(NaturalNews) The extraordinary authority that the U.S. government possesses at its borders is spilling into regular American streets, affecting large populations of its citizens. Nearly two-thirds of the entire population of the country now lives within 100 miles of the U.S. land and coastal borders, an area that has been designated by the government as a "Constitution Free Zone".

In a Constitution free zone, the powers granted under the Constitution no longer apply. Any person who falls into the sites of the national security apparatus while in a Constitution free zone is on his own. There is no appeal process, no case law, no Bill of Rights protection, no lawyers, and none of what Americans count on to help them when they have become justly or unjustly identified as having done wrong.

This illegal expansion of the of the extraordinary powers of agents to encroach into the internal area of the country is part of a general trend seen over the past eight years of the heedless expansion of police and national security powers without regard to the effect on innocent Americans. It is a trend that has made many U.S. citizens as well as observers in foreign lands believe that America has become a police state. Instead of a competent, targeted effort to prevent terrorism, illegal immigration, and other crimes, the Division of Homeland Security has taken an approach that turns all U.S. citizens into suspects.

Personal freedoms are eroded as the term 'border' is redefined

Under the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, the American people are not normally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches. However, the area immediately at the border has for a long time been an exception. As an example, the authorities at the border do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a search of anyone that is a suspect.

The critical question is what is being defined as 'the border'. According to the new government definition, the border is now a 100 mile strip that wraps around the external boundary of the entire United States.

The result of this claimed authority is that American citizens who are 100 miles away from the border and who are going about their lives as usual are now subject to being stopped and harassed in ways that the Constitution does not allow. The border patrol has now set up check points inland on highways and at ferry terminals at which they stop people and question them about their citizenship, requiring them to produce identification. If the person stopped displays any resistance or if his name appears on a list of possible suspects, the ability to conduct a search or other law enforcement efforts kicks in. The stops by border agents are not confined to the purpose of border security. Agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on a daily basis with no suspicion of wrongdoing.

The majority of Americans live in the Constitution Free Zone

The ability to harass Americans under this new definition is not confined to the border between Mexico and the U.S. The Constitution free zone stretches inland for 100 miles up both coasts, across the Canada-U.S. border, around the Great Lakes, across the U.S.-Gulf of Mexico border, and encompass virtually all of New England. States that lie completely within the zone include Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont. Amazingly, even Columbus, Ohio and Fort Wayne, Indiana fall within the zone.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) calculated the proportion of the U.S. population affected by these expanded governmental powers. The estimates were arrived at by examining the most recent U.S. census numbers for all counties within 100 miles of these borders. They found that two-thirds of the U.S. population lives within the zone. That's 197.4 million people living within 100 miles of U.S. land and coastal borders.

The spreading inland of border search powers and the suspension of Constitutional rights is part of a broad expansion of powers that have the potential to affect the lives of the majority of American citizens, many of whom have never been outside the U.S. It coincides with the development of numerous border technologies, including watch lists and databases.

U.S. citizens subject to harassment based on new security technologies

Many of the tax dollars provided to the U.S. government by its citizens have been used to purchase high-tech gimmicks with which to harass them. These technologies are now used in the Constitution free zone. The programs listed below describe what two-thirds of American citizens are up against.

The Automated Targeting System is a security and tracking program designed to track cargo that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has extended to tracking travelers as well. It assigns a computer generated "risk assessment" score to all who cross the U.S. border. This score, which will be retained for 40 years, is held secret and is not subject to review. The criteria on which the scores are based are also secret.

Aviation/border watch lists reflect the efforts of DHS to build a domestic, identity-based airline passenger and border-control screening database. These lists contain the names of many thousands of innocent Americans who encounter problems when they wish to fly over or cross the border. Many have found it impossible to get their names cleared. Use of these watch lists is spreading without any process in place for people who find their names wrongfully placed on these lists.

Using a program called Border Crossing Information System, the government has collected and compiled information on all American citizens crossing the border for use in criminal and intelligence investigations. A photo is included.

The U.S. government is currently issuing biometric passports and immigration documents that contain Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips that can be read remotely. In what is an obvious breach of security, the government has outsourced the making of these passports to foreign firms. The documents travel to Europe where a microchip is inserted in the back cover, and then on to Thailand where they are fitted with a radio antenna. The Netherlands company chosen to make the covers for the passport has said that China stole the technology for the microchips. This procedure creates the possibility that blank passports can get into the hands of anyone wishing them, and it raises the conjecture that the only people the U.S. government is seeking to control are its own citizens.

On the drawing board is the Secure Border Initiative Network (SBINet) that will be a virtual border fence relying on sensors and long-range cameras mounted on high observation towers.

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles called 'drones' are in use over restricted sections of the northern and southern borders. They respond to ground sensor activation and produce images that can be stored and relayed to border agents. Surveillance is possible at any time of the day or night. This technology has already expanded from the domain of the military and border patrol to state and local police operations.

Victim of Constitution free zone speaks out

The ACLU website relays the story of a music professor from Point Loma Nazarene University in San Diego who routinely traveled to Mexico. During a recent visit he presented his passport to border agents and was told to freeze. He was handcuffed because his name was listed as "armed and dangerous". He was escorted in front of hundreds of onlookers waiting to enter the U.S. and taken to a holding room where his clothing was removed and he was aggressively searched including every inch and crack of his body. He was released after questioning, but it took him 4 months to muster his courage to cross the border again, not because he was afraid of traveling outside the U.S., but because he was afraid of returning home.

He believes that Congress needs to hold hearings to investigate the egregious violations of American's civil liberties and pass new laws protecting Americans' rights. If Americans do not challenge the new powers that can be exercised in the Constitution free zone, people almost anywhere will lose their ability to freely go about their business and to travel around inside their own country.

Source:

This article is based on information recently released at the ACLU website. The site contains an informative and eye opening map shading areas of the country that fall into the Constitution free zone designation, as well as more information about the threat to the liberty of Americans posed by this zone.
 
dougr on June 13, 2010 - 3:17am

OK let's get real about the GOM oil flow. There doesn't really seem to be much info on TOD that furthers more complete understanding of what's really happening in the GOM.
As you have probably seen and maybe feel yourselves, there are several things that do not appear to make sense regarding the actions of attack against the well. Don't feel bad, there is much that doesn't make sense even to professionals unless you take into account some important variables that we are not being told about. There seems to me to be a reluctance to face what cannot be termed anything less than grim circumstances in my opinion. There certainly is a reluctance to inform us regular people and all we have really gotten is a few dots here and there...

First of all...set aside all your thoughts of plugging the well and stopping it from blowing out oil using any method from the top down. Plugs, big valves to just shut it off, pinching the pipe closed, installing a new bop or lmrp, shooting any epoxy in it, top kills with mud etc etc etc....forget that, it won't be happening..it's done and over. In fact actually opening up the well at the subsea source and allowing it to gush more is not only exactly what has happened, it was probably necessary, or so they think anyway.

So you have to ask WHY? Why make it worse?...there really can only be one answer and that answer does not bode well for all of us. It's really an inescapable conclusion at this point, unless you want to believe that every Oil and Gas professional involved suddenly just forgot everything they know or woke up one morning and drank a few big cups of stupid and got assigned to directing the response to this catastrophe. Nothing makes sense unless you take this into account, but after you do...you will see the "sense" behind what has happened and what is happening. That conclusion is this:

The well bore structure is compromised "Down hole".

That is something which is a "Worst nightmare" conclusion to reach. While many have been saying this for some time as with any complex disaster of this proportion many have "said" a lot of things with no real sound reasons or evidence for jumping to such conclusions, well this time it appears that they may have jumped into the right place...

TOP KILL - FAILS:
This was probably our best and only chance to kill this well from the top down. This "kill mud" is a tried and true method of killing wells and usually has a very good chance of success. The depth of this well presented some logistical challenges, but it really should not of presented any functional obstructions. The pumping capacity was there and it would have worked, should have worked, but it didn't.

It didn't work, but it did create evidence of what is really happening. First of all the method used in this particular top kill made no sense, did not follow the standard operating procedure used to kill many other wells and in fact for the most part was completely contrary to the procedure which would have given it any real chance of working.

When a well is "Killed" using this method heavy drill fluid "Mud" is pumped at high volume and pressure into a leaking well. The leaks are "behind" the point of access where the mud is fired in, in this case the "choke and Kill lines" which are at the very bottom of the BOP (Blow Out Preventer) The heavy fluid gathers in the "behind" portion of the leaking well assembly, while some will leak out, it very quickly overtakes the flow of oil and only the heavier mud will leak out. Once that "solid" flow of mud is established at the leak "behind" the well, the mud pumps increase pressure and begin to overtake the pressure of the oil deposit. The mud is established in a solid column that is driven downward by the now stronger pumps. The heavy mud will create a solid column that is so heavy that the oil deposit can no longer push it up, shut off the pumps...the well is killed...it can no longer flow.

Usually this will happen fairly quickly, in fact for it to work at all...it must happen quickly. There is no "trickle some mud in" because that is not how a top kill works. The flowing oil will just flush out the trickle and a solid column will never be established. Yet what we were told was "It will take days to know whether it
worked"...."Top kill might take 48 hours to complete"...the only way it could take days is if BP intended to do some "test fires" to test integrity of the entire system. The actual "kill" can only take hours by nature because it must happen fairly rapidly. It also increases strain on the "behind" portion and in this instance we all know that what remained was fragile at best.

Early that afternoon we saw a massive flow burst out of the riser "plume" area. This was the first test fire of high pressure mud injection. Later on same day we saw a greatly increased flow out of the kink leaks, this was mostly mud at that time as the kill mud is tanish color due to the high amount of Barite which is added to it to weight it and Barite is a white powder.

We later learned the pumping was shut down at midnight, we weren't told about that until almost 16 hours later, but by then...I'm sure BP had learned the worst. The mud they were pumping in was not only leaking out the "behind" leaks...it was leaking out of someplace forward...and since they were not even near being able to pump mud into the deposit itself, because the well would be dead long before...and the oil was still coming up, there could only be one conclusion...the wells casings were ruptured and it was leaking "down hole"

They tried the "Junk shot"...the "bridging materials" which also failed and likely made things worse in regards to the ruptured well casings.

"Despite successfully pumping a total of over 30,000 barrels of heavy mud, in three attempts at rates of up to
80 barrels a minute, and deploying a wide range of different bridging materials, the operation did not overcome the flow from the well."
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7062487

80 Barrels per minute is over 200,000 gallons per hour, over 115,000 barrels per day...did we seen an increase over and above what was already leaking out of 115k bpd?....we did not...it would have been a massive increase in order of multiples and this did not happen.

"The whole purpose is to get the kill mud down,” said Wells. “We'll have 50,000 barrels of mud on hand to kill this well. It's far more than necessary, but we always like to have backup."

Try finding THAT quote around...it's been scrubbed...here's a cached copy of a quote...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ave+backup.%E2%80%9D&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"The "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers, had pumped enough drilling fluid to block oil and gas spewing from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well was very low, he said, but persisting."

"Allen said one ship that was pumping fluid into the well had run out of the fluid, or "mud," and that a second ship was on the way. He said he was encouraged by the progress."
http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20100527/ARTICLES/100529348

Later we found out that Allen had no idea what was really going on and had been "Unavailable all day"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/05/27/interview_with_coas...

So what we had was BP running out of 50,000 barrels of mud in a very short period of time. An amount far and above what they deemed necessary to kill the well. Shutting down pumping 16 hours before telling anyone, including the president. We were never really given a clear reason why "Top Kill" failed, just that it couldn't overcome the well.

There is only one article anywhere that says anything else about it at this time of writing...and it's a relatively obscure article from the wall street journal "online" citing an unnamed source.

"WASHINGTON—BP PLC has concluded that its "top-kill" attempt last week to seal its broken well in the Gulf of
Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

The disk, part of the subsea safety infrastructure, may have ruptured during the surge of oil and gas up the well on April 20 that led to the explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon rig, BP officials said. The rig sank two days later, triggering a leak that has since become the worst in U.S. history.

The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar with BP's findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the wellbore.

As a result, BP wasn't able to get sufficient pressure to keep the oil and gas at bay. If they had been able to build up sufficient pressure, the company had hoped to pump in cement and seal off the well. The effort was deemed a failure on Saturday.

BP started the top-kill effort Wednesday afternoon, shooting heavy drilling fluids into the broken valve known as a blowout preventer. The mud was driven by a 30,000 horsepower pump installed on a ship at the surface. But it was clear from the start that a lot of the "kill mud" was leaking out instead of going down into the well."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870487560457528013357716426...

There are some inconsistencies with this article.
There are no "Disks" or "Subsea safety structure" 1,000 feet below the sea floor, all that is there is well bore. There is nothing that can allow the mud or oil to "escape" into the rock formation outside the well bore except the well, because it is the only thing there.

All the actions and few tid bits of information all lead to one inescapable conclusion. The well pipes below the sea floor are broken and leaking. Now you have some real data of how BP's actions are evidence of that, as well as some murky statement from "BP officials" confirming the same.

I took some time to go into a bit of detail concerning the failure of Top Kill because this was a significant event. To those of us outside the real inside loop, yet still fairly knowledgeable, it was a major confirmation of what many feared. That the system below the sea floor has serious failures of varying magnitude in the complicated chain, and it is breaking down and it will continue to.

What does this mean?

It means they will never cap the gusher after the wellhead. They cannot...the more they try and restrict the oil gushing out the bop?...the more it will transfer to the leaks below. Just like a leaky garden hose with a nozzle on it. When you open up the nozzle?...it doesn't leak so bad, you close the nozzle?...it leaks real bad,
same dynamics. It is why they sawed the riser off...or tried to anyway...but they clipped it off, to relieve pressure on the leaks "down hole". I'm sure there was a bit of panic time after they crimp/pinched off the large riser pipe and the Diamond wire saw got stuck and failed...because that crimp diverted pressure and flow to the rupture down below.

Contrary to what most of us would think as logical to stop the oil mess, actually opening up the gushing well and making it gush more became direction BP took after confirming that there was a leak. In fact if you note their actions, that should become clear. They have shifted from stopping or restricting the gusher to opening it up and catching it. This only makes sense if they want to relieve pressure at the leak hidden down below the seabed.....and that sort of leak is one of the most dangerous and potentially damaging kind of leak there could be. It is also inaccessible which compounds our problems. There is no way to stop that leak from above, all they can do is relieve the pressure on it and the only way to do that right now is to open up the nozzle above and gush more oil into the gulf and hopefully catch it, which they have done, they just neglected to tell us why, gee thanks.

A down hole leak is dangerous and damaging for several reasons.
There will be erosion throughout the entire beat up, beat on and beat down remainder of the "system" including that inaccessible leak. The same erosion I spoke about in the first post is still present and has never stopped, cannot be stopped, is impossible to stop and will always be present in and acting on anything that is left which has crude oil "Product" rushing through it. There are abrasives still present, swirling flow will create hot spots of wear and this erosion is relentless and will always be present until eventually it wears away enough material to break it's way out. It will slowly eat the bop away especially at the now pinched off riser head and it will flow more and more. Perhaps BP can outrun or keep up with that out flow with various suckage methods for a period of time, but eventually the well will win that race, just how long that race will be?...no one really knows....However now?...there are other problems that a down hole leak will and must produce that will compound this already bad situation.

This down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the massive Blow Out Preventer's immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?...we are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.

The first layer of the sea floor in the gulf is mostly lose material of sand and silt. It doesn't hold up anything and isn't meant to, what holds the entire subsea system of the Bop in place is the well itself. The very large steel connectors of the initial well head "spud" stabbed in to the sea floor. The Bop literally sits on top of the pipe and never touches the sea bed, it wouldn't do anything in way of support if it did. After several tens of feet the seabed does begin to support the well connection laterally (side to side) you couldn't put a 450 ton piece of machinery on top of a 100' tall pipe "in the air" and subject it to the side loads caused by the ocean currents and expect it not to bend over...unless that pipe was very much larger than the machine itself, which you all can see it is not. The well's piping in comparison is actually very much smaller than the Blow Out Preventer and strong as it may be, it relies on some support from the seabed to function and not literally fall over...and it is now showing signs of doing just that....falling over.

If you have been watching the live feed cams you may have noticed that some of the ROVs are using an inclinometer...and inclinometer is an instrument that measures "Incline" or tilt. The BOP is not supposed to be tilting...and after the riser clip off operation it has begun to...

This is not the only problem that occurs due to erosion of the outer area of the well casings. The way a well casing assembly functions it that it is an assembly of different sized "tubes" that decrease in size as they go down. These tubes have a connection to each other that is not unlike a click or snap together locking action. After a certain length is assembled they are cemented around the ouside to the earth that the more rough drill hole is bored through in the well making process. A very well put together and simply explained process of "How to drill a deep water oil well" is available here:
http://www.treesfullofmoney.com/?p=1610

The well bore casings rely on the support that is created by the cementing phase of well construction. Just like if you have many hands holding a pipe up you could put some weight on the top and the many hands could hold the pipe and the weight on top easily...but if there were no hands gripping and holding the pipe?...all the weight must be held up by the pipe alone. The series of connections between the sections of casings are not designed to hold up the immense weight of the BOP without all the "hands" that the cementing provides and they will eventually buckle and fail when stressed beyond their design limits.

These are clear and present dangers to the battered subsea safety structure (bop and lmrp) which is the only loose cork on this well we have left. The immediate (first 1,000 feet) of well structure that remains is now also undoubtedly compromised. However.....as bad as that is?...it is far from the only possible problems with this very problematic well. There were ongoing troubles with the entire process during the drilling of this well. There were also many comprises made by BP IMO which may have resulted in an overall weakened structure of the entire well system all the way to the bottom plug which is over 12,000 feet deep. Problems with the cementing procedure which was done by Haliburton and was deemed as “was against our best practices.” by a Haliburton employee on April 1st weeks before the well blew out. There is much more and I won't go into detail right now concerning the lower end of the well and the troubles encountered during the whole creation of this well and earlier "Well control" situations that were revieled in various internal BP e-mails. I will add several links to those documents and quotes from them below and for now, address the issues concerning the upper portion of the well and the region of the sea floor.

What is likely to happen now?

Well...none of what is likely to happen is good, in fact...it's about as bad as it gets. I am convinced the erosion and compromising of the entire system is accelerating and attacking more key structural areas of the well, the blow out preventer and surrounding strata holding it all up and together. This is evidenced by the tilt of the blow out preventer and the erosion which has exposed the well head connection. What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents push on it. I suspect they will run those supports as cables tied to anchors very soon, if they don't, they are inviting disaster that much sooner.

Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. If and when you begin to see oil and gas coming up around the well area from under the BOP? or the area around the well head connection and casing sinking more and more rapidly? ...it won't be too long after that the entire system fails. BP must be aware of this, they are mapping the sea floor sonically and that is not a mere exercise. Our Gov't must be well aware too, they just are not telling us.

All of these things lead to only one place, a fully wide open well bore directly to the oil deposit...after that, it goes into the realm of "the worst things you can think of" The well may come completely apart as the inner liners fail. There is still a very long drill string in the well, that could literally come flying out...as I said...all the worst things you can think of are a possibility, but the very least damaging outcome as bad as it is, is that we are stuck with a wide open gusher blowing out 150,000 barrels a day of raw oil or more. There isn't any "cap dome" or any other suck fixer device on earth that exists or could be built that will stop it from gushing out and doing more and more damage to the gulf. While at the same time also doing more damage to the well, making the chance of halting it with a kill from the bottom up less and less likely to work, which as it stands now?....is the only real chance we have left to stop it all.

It's a race now...a race to drill the relief wells and take our last chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, wore out, blown out, leaking and failing system gives up it's last gasp in a horrific crescendo.

We are not even 2 months into it, barely half way by even optimistic estimates. The damage done by the leaked oil now is virtually immeasurable already and it will not get better, it can only get worse. No matter how much they can collect, there will still be thousands and thousands of gallons leaking out every minute, every hour of every day. We have 2 months left before the relief wells are even near in position and set up to take a kill shot and that is being optimistic as I said.

Over the next 2 months the mechanical situation also cannot improve, it can only get worse, getting better is an impossibility. While they may make some gains on collecting the leaked oil, the structural situation cannot heal itself. It will continue to erode and flow out more oil and eventually the inevitable collapse which cannot be stopped will happen. It is only a simple matter of who can "get there first"...us or the well.

We can only hope the race against that eventuality is one we can win, but my assessment I am sad to say is that we will not.

The system will collapse or fail substantially before we reach the finish line ahead of the well and the worst is yet to come.

Sorry to bring you that news, I know it is grim, but that is the way I see it....I sincerely hope I am wrong.

We need to prepare for the possibility of this blow out sending more oil into the gulf per week then what we already have now, because that is what a collapse of the system will cause. All the collection efforts that have captured oil will be erased in short order. The magnitude of this disaster will increase exponentially by the time we can do anything to halt it and our odds of actually even being able to halt it will go down.

The magnitude and impact of this disaster will eclipse anything we have known in our life times if the worst or even near worst happens...

We are seeing the puny forces of man vs the awesome forces of nature.
We are going to need some luck and a lot of effort to win...
and if nature decides we ought to lose, we will....

Reference materials:

On April 1, a job log written by a Halliburton employee, Marvin Volek, warns that BP’s use of cement “was
against our best practices.”

An April 18 internal Halliburton memorandum indicates that Halliburton again warned BP about its practices,
this time saying that a “severe” gas flow problem would occur if the casings were not centered more carefully.

Around that same time, a BP document shows, company officials chose a type of casing with a greater risk of
collapsing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/us/06rig.html?pagewanted=1&sq=at_issue...

Mark Hafle, the BP drilling engineer who wrote plans for well casings and cement seals on the Deepwater
Horizon's well, testified that the well had lost thousands of barrels of mud at the bottom. But he said models
run onshore showed alterations to the cement program would resolve the issues, and when asked if a cement
failure allowed the well to "flow" gas and oil, he wouldn't capitulate.

Hafle said he made several changes to casing designs in the last few days before the well blew, including the
addition of the two casing liners that weren't part of the original well design because of problems where the
earthen sides of the well were "ballooning." He also worked with Halliburton engineers to design a plan for
sealing the well casings with cement.
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/hearings_bp_ce...

graphic of fail
http://media.nola.com/news_impact/other/oil-cause-050710.pdf
Casing joint
http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL00001.gif
Casing
http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/files/OGL00003.gif

Kill may take until Christmas
http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-02/bp-gulf-of-mexico-oil-leak-...

BP Used Riskier Method to Seal Well Before Blast
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/us/27rig.html

BP memo test results
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20100512/Internal.BP.Email.Reg...

Investigation results

The information from BP identifies several new warning signs of problems. According to BP there were three flow
indicators from the well before the explosion.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100525/Memo.BP.Internal.Inve...

BP, what we know
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/BP-What.We.Know.pdf

What could have happened

1. Before or during the cement job, an influx of hydrocarbon enters the wellbore.
2. Influx is circulated during cement job to wellhead and BOP.
3. 9-7/8” casing hanger packoff set and positively tested to 6500 psi.
4. After 16.5 hours waiting on cement, a negative test performed on wellbore below BOP.
(~ 1400 psi differential pressure on 9-7/8” casing hanger packoff and ~ 2350 psi on
double valve float collar)
5. Packoff leaks allowing hydrocarbon to enter wellbore below BOP. 1400 psi shut in
pressure observed on drill pipe (no flow or pressure observed on kill line)
6. Hydrocarbon below BOP is unknowingly circulated to surface while finishing displacing
the riser.
7. As hydrocarbon rises to surface, gas break out of solution further reduces hydrostatic
pressure in well. Well begin to flow, BOPs and Emergency Disconnect System (EDS)
activated but failed.
8. Packoff continues to leak allowing further influx from bottom.
Confidential
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/BP-What.Could.Have.Ha...

T/A daily log 4-20
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/TRO-Daily.Drilling.Re...

Cement plug 12,150 ft SCMT logging tool
SCMT (Slim Cement Mapping Tool)
Schlumberger Partial CBL done.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100530/BP-HZN-CEC018441.pdf

Schlum CBL tools
http://www.slb.com/~/media/Files/production/product_sheets/well_integrit...

Major concerns, well control, bop test.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100530/BP-HZN-CEC018375.pdf

Energy & commerce links to docs.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl...

well head on sea floor
http://nca-group.com/bilder//Trolla/A. GVI of Trolla prior to WHP002 (2).jpg

Well head on deck of ship
http://nca-group.com/bilder//Trolla/DSC_0189.JPG

BP's youtube propoganda page, a lot of rarely seen vids here....FWIW
http://www.youtube.com/user/DeepwaterHorizonJIC
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1097505/pg1

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
 
Where exactly is that airport located?


Green Cove Springs, Fl I just came across this link but haven't read it yet.

http://nomorecensorship.com/tag/reynolds-airpark/

Confirmed: UN Vehicles Dispersed; CIA Front Company?
June 5th, 2010

source: Intel Hub

Current Image VIA Bing of Reynolds Air Park. As of this time the UN Vehicles have been dispersed.

- In regards to the UN Vehicles at Reynolds Air park in FL; as of this time the vehicles are confirmed to be removed. We have visual/ Video confirmation as well as updated SAT Images. However it looks as if this air park serves as a shipping front for a CIA “Black Bag” front with ties to the CIA and DHS. Pegasus Technologies, INC.
 
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