Has anyone dealt with Cameron or Ashley Glucheff

[CGluhcheff]

Vet

OK Randy, I called the vet back. Tamara told me that it could be done and it is possible to find the cause of death if it is trauma. She said it would be harder though and is less likely due to the fact thatthe snake is frozen. She said that the office call was $31 and that to get it done was anywhere from $80-200. I do not see why we would have to pay for the whole thing. Scott, if you pay for half, and it comes up as our fault, we will return your half, publicly apologize, and drop everything. If it says it is your fault, we expect you to cover our half, publicly apologize, and return the money. This is a reasonable solution, is it not? Anthony has already stated that if the snake is proven to be our fault, he will replace it.

I, Cameron Gluhcheff, am the only person using this name as of when webslave asked of it on 4/27/04

 

[Stardust]

The snake was fine when it was received by Anthony. I do not see where the seller has to pay for anything.

Either way, I do not understand why you would NOT want to pay for a necropsy. It could potentially help you in court, at least you would have something that says the snake did not die by trauma.
Wouldn't you want all the evidence that you can come up with?
Also, if you have to travel to the state that the seller is in to sue him (which I believe you do) you may also want to make room to take your witnesses with you as you will need them as well.

 

[Sasheena]

Hypothetical Scenario....

Necropsy done.

Result#1: Death By Blunt Force Trauma.
Conclusion #1: Killed by Anthony (buyers fault)
Conclusion #2: Killed During Shipping (shippers fault)
Difficulty: How do you know who is to blame? You don't, so you have to take the word of Anthony, who said the snake was fine upon arrival. Case Closed.

Result#2: Death By Rodent Bloat.
Conclusion #1: Killed by Anthony--temps too high (buyers fault)
Conclusion #2: Killed by disease (shippers fault)
Difficulty: How do you know who is to blame? You don't, so you have to take the word of Anthony, who said the snake was fine upon arrival. Case Closed.

Result#3: Cause of Death Unknown.
Conclusion #1: Killed by Anthony (buyers fault)
Conclusion #2: Shipped Sick (shippers fault)
Difficulty: How do you know who is to blame? You don't, so you have to take the word of Anthony, who said the snake was fine upon arrival. Case Closed.

 

[CGluhcheff]

The moderator started it

Ken,

To respond topic of the number of CA National Guard's Men who are in Iraq, my father's unit is attached to the 1st Battalion, 185th Armor. This unit is made up up soliers from three different states- Washington, California, and I think the other is Missouri. You can view the the camp where he is online. He is at Camp Scania. If you want to check this fact you can call the Battalion FSG Coordinator at 909 347-3786 or email her at [email protected]. She will be more than happy to tell you that you are wrong.

My mom meant that all of the reservists together make up 65% of our military force. These are the soldiers who do one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer. My dad is gone a lot more than that with guard stuff. He was going to Washing and FT Lewis for meetings every few months and does 4-6 weeks during the summer because there are advance parties and rear detachments. He even had to leave before his unit went to Iraq to make sure everything was in place. Thats what happens when you are a high ranking officer.

I am also sending you a picture that my mom took in Washington at the Tacoma Dome for the Deployment cermony.

I pulled an article out my mom's folder about the deployment. It is from the High Desert Sun dated Thursday, March 18, 2004. It states and this is a direct quote.

"By Spring some 40 percent of the roughly 110,000 U.S. soldiers heading into Iraq will be from the National Guard and Reserves."


I sure hope that newspaper has the info correct becasue I would hate to think that the only person who knows about what is happening in Iraq is the moderator on a repitile forum. Where did you get your info? You should forward it to the newpaper so they can send a retraction and have all their facts right.

If this post is subject to deletion, I believe that Ken's should also be. His involved the same topic.

Now on to the necropsy. Stardust, you are right. Proving him wrong like that would help us in court. What I am trying to do right now is make this easier on everyone, even if I really do want to visit Illinois. If Scott is so sure about it being our fault, then I am also sure he has no problem putting in half as when we are proved wrong, he will get his money back. Besides, if Scott refuses, then I believe he is hiding something.

We have already discussed it and we do have room for our witnesses. One will meet us there, the other will most likely travel up there with us.

 

[ms_terese]

If Scott is so sure about it being our fault, then I am also sure he has no problem putting in half as when we are proved wrong, he will get his money back. Besides, if Scott refuses, then I believe he is hiding something.

You're missing something, Cameron. The snake died after it was received alive and healthy, per Anthony. The reason that Scott would have a problem paying half the cost is the same reason that *I* would have a problem paying half the cost: It's not his issue. Maybe Anthony, who was the last person to care for the alive and healthy snake, should pay half? I'm sure he's good for it.

Since your mother ignored my questions and you seem to be back at the helm of the keyboard (*waves to Ashley behind you*), I'll ask you the same questions:

Did you tell the reptile vet that the animal ate 2 days before it died? Did the reptile vet explain to you that diseased snakes near death DO NOT EAT?

Did you register on Reptibid, thereby indicating that you were 18 years of age or older?

Do you have permission to purchase snakes without your mother's prior knowledge or approval?

When did your mother know that you had purchased this snake?

 

[JJFOUTZ]

Considering that you have soooooooo much money, I would think that another couple hundred to pay the vet would be nothing. Especially since it has been stated that this is not about money and you pay more than that to have your dog groomed.

 

[ms_terese]

One more thing for the mods...

Can one of you please edit the title of this thread to show the proper spelling of Cameron's last name as Gluhcheff and not Glucheff? I'd hate for someone to do a search on here and miss this entire thread because of a missing "H".

Thanks!

 

[hill4803]

The snake needs a lawyer...

the boa got the WORST end of this deal. I think we should all chip in and get it a lawyer. Does Johnny Cochran do civil law? I could see him saying something like " If you cooked the snake, then your maney we must take!" By the way an E-8 is an enlisted member NOT a "high ranking OFFICER"!!!!

Ro Hill

 

[JungleHabitats]

i took the liberty to ask cam's vet what he hasent

Well i have just got off the phone and spoke to the DVM at the number given by Camerob on page 57 or 59 , I have asked the pertinent questions that needed to be asked .

1. Can a necropsy be done to determine the cause of death as being a blunt trauma to the animal ?
2. Can a determination of death be reached by a snake that has been frozen approximately two weeks
3. Can the determination of blunt force trauma or over feeding be determined to a snake of the size of the snake in question be a cause of death of a snake that was outwardly healthy
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   I spoke with a "Sherri" at this DVM office which stated to be a head technician and relayed this information to the head DVM on call.She stated that at this time approximately two week a concrete determination of cause of death would be almost impossible . However they could do xrays and look for cracked or broken vertabrea(sp) and open the snake up and lok for a meal that would have been two large for the animals thus cause overheating and ultimately death of the animal due to that cause.
   
   So with these things outlined while i would have said Yes maybe scott could have offered up 1/2 of the necropsy to determine that his HEALTHY snake was infact that upon your mysterious "anthony" receiving the snake and stating this to him to only have it die 5 days later would have been a valid point .But since you expoereinced keeper of reptiles didnt have the foreknown knowledge to tel lyou to have this done ASAP i think if you want to at this point shoot in the dark for a cause of death its best you pay it your self because i would think that you are going to find out two things
   A- snake died from broken or crushed vertabrea
   B-Snake died from ingesting a meal that was two large for a snake of that size to consume without causing harm or death to the animal.
   
   I would suggest that in the future you find a more experienced keepr then you good friend anthony to care for your reptiles , this would do two things more then likely keep them alive and secondly if they do die have the knowledge to know what needs to be done to have a animal checked for suspected cause of death vs taking his experienced word fot it .
   
   At this point i think you need to chaulk up this loos and teach your son if he or his "partners" dont have the insight to know how to care and house a boa then they dont buy them
   
   this conversation took place at 4:52 pm EST

 

[Stardust]

Cameron,

The issue here at hand is whether you are going to try to sue Scott because of a snake that you bought from him that died.
If you are going to travel all the way to Illinois (if you do, do not miss out on the great museums) you may as well try to get all the information you can. And if that means you pay for a necropsy that is what it means.
Remember if/when this does go to court all names that you are withholding now will be reveiled. If the outcome of the judgement is in your favor you would get back the money spent for a necropsy. If it is not in your favor of course you wouldn't and you will also have put some "seasoned herpers" on the stand in the herp community, including yourself as a herper.
I do hope you are looking at ALL possible scenioes to going to court and all the ramifications of what it will say for you and your friends/business partners after all is said and done.
This is only my opinion, take it however you want. I would wash my hands of it now. Not pay out more money for a necropsy and chalk it up to a learning experience.
We as herpers have all made mistakes, and that is fine, that is how one learns. There are quite a few VERY knowledgable herpers here that have given you good advice and knowledge.
Think about these actions and the aftermath.

 

[David Reid]

I live in Temecula, just south of

San Bernadino, if I can be of any help let me know.

Dave

 

[CGluhcheff]

My father is a non-commisioned officer. He is a senior NCO. In fact, he is the second highest senior NCO. But I guess you're right. Second highest doesn't account for anything. Oh, and just curious Ro, what rank are you?

All that I see now is JungleHabitats, so this section is addressed to you. I never said that he was an "expert snake handler" all that was said was that he is a "seasoned caregiver". I would like to know where the hell you and the other people on this forum get "expert snake handler" from. And again, yes, we both keep snakes. We both know how to care for snakes as long as they are alive. I have never had to deal with a dead snake before, otherwise I may have known what to do. Jungle, what do you suggest I do with the body? If I can't prove anything with it, then should I save it for court or still have them do something with it?
Thanks
Cam

 

[HerpVenue]

We both know how to care for snakes as long as they are alive. .

Thank you very much.

anthony the expereinced caregiver said the snake was fine.
period end of story. What was your question?
oph the snake was dead when you received it.....therefore you could not give it proper care.

Here we go around the merry go round.

Anthony received it alive.
no warranty was given.
End of story.

What the hell are you still arguing about.

number your arguments from 1-10 and I will address them.
After I address them you can still sue if you want.

But I am guessing you will no longer sue.
Because you grandfather told you to cease and desist and still here you are.

You grand father the big retired DA forgot to tell you that the burden of proof is upon you.

that means you have to prove the snake was sick.........................what no necropsy? too bad to sad case dismissed.

You have to prove he sold to a minor without any adult consent.............what your partner is an adult?....and it was shipped to an adult?.....................your wasting my time...case dismissed.

What do you want to argue about cammy.
forget all the military mumbo jumbo.
enumerate your arguements from 1-10 and I will address them by giving you answers from 1-10

right now it sounds like a bunch of fifteen year olds.
I told you so
no you didnt
yes i did
did not
did too
nu uh
uh huh
im telling my mommy
no, im telling my mommy
but my mommy can beat yours up.
well my dad is a lawyer.
well my dad can beat up your dad.
no he cant....my dad can beat up you dad
him an what army.
my dad is in the army.


enumerate your concerns and I will address them.
then we can all shut up

 

[ms_terese]

I'm feeling really, really ignored........and I'M asking questions about the DEAL!

Cameron, will you answer the questions I asked, please?

 

[JJFOUTZ]

Re: Vet

Anthony has already stated that if the snake is proven to be our fault, he will replace it.

It sounds to me like Anthony is not sure if it was his fault or not.

 

[JungleHabitats]

Cameron

Please re -read my post i never used the terms "Expert"

I would suggest that in the future you find a more experienced keepr then you good friend anthony to care for your reptiles

There is a HUGE difference in the two meanings.
And as to this statement please take me out of your presumptions as i havent used the term EXPERT handler

I would like to know where the hell you and the other people on this forum get "expert snake handler

Cam when you ask me this statement

Jungle, what do you suggest I do with the body? If I can't prove anything with it, then should I save it for court or still have them do something with itThanks
Cam

Well here is how i see it other then being to determine if there was a blunt truama that killed the snake or the meal fed to it killed the snake not much you can do with it .But here is my unprofessional opinion of the situation .I would if i were you and wanted to know what killed this snake take it have it done , then IF it proves to be not done by a blunt truama or over sized food item you know that you can rule those two articles off the list , BUT this will not prove scott had any liablility in causing the snakes death and at this stage everything that could be brought into a court of law would be IMO inadmissable and regarded as "hearsay" by the judge , only facts hold up in court without having hard proof to say the snake was sick when it was recieved by anthony there is now facts to be held up in court . i also omitted the fact that the DVM on staff when i asked if they have ever ( because as stated a sick boa doesnt eat when its riding with the grim reaper) had a boas die after eating that was deathly sick Her words was never in my carrer have i ever seen that happen to a sick boa that would eat then die within days . So i say have the necropsy done , that will atleast dismiss the two outlined possiblities of death but you will never know what happened if it isnt done and you will not know if it was disease that killed due to time that has passed .I would do it and if over feeding induced the death of the snake i would approach my good friend anthony and hit him up for the cash u seek from scott , i would also hit him up if it shows any blunt trama to be the cause of death of the animal . short of that you cant do much with the snake cause taking it to court they wil lsay yeah that snake is dead the court system has no idea how to determine the cause of death of the snake . so it would be pointless to carry around a dead snake across country pictures will show them you hava dead snake .

 

[hill4803]

Cameron are you retarded?

I already stated I WAS in the army....that means I am back to being a civilian & oh yeah, I think I also mentioned I am a teacher. NCO is an "unofficial" designation for enlisted personnel with the rank of E-5 or higher (by the way I believe Richie is also an NCO!) And NOW will you answer the other questions? Why did it take you so long to see the snake for yourself? How do you know the snake was sick when it was shipped? What type of conditions did "Anthony" keep the snake in? YOU were the one stating that Anthony knew how to take care of snakes (that is why you had them shipped to him, so he could watch them while you were at school.). Your mom (or you, I can't tell who is writing because you both use the same name) also stated that you have "many snakes & geckos" that you have had for sometime. Why did you represent yourself as a business? If you can't answer the questions instead of pissing about things no one here cares about, stay off the BOI!

Ro Hill

 

[Stardust]

Alan,

I believe in all likelihood a judge will not even hear this but instead a referee will.
In the beginning BEFORE any information is even given the referee/judge will ask if ANY party wants a trial, if both parties say no than they have then waived their right to a trial and must abide the ruling.
One or both parties can ask for a trial in which case you can have fun with all the pr-trial hearings. Even Scott can ask for this. Cameron you and your witnesses may be visiting Ill a lot. Not to mention a countersuit, which if *I* were being sued I would most assuredly have a countersuit lined up, starting with lost wages for time in court, which of course if I were in the right I would win.
Just thought I would give some 101 here

 

[JungleHabitats]

Rozann ...

Dont forget the infamous SLANDER /LIBEL lawsuit that would be filed againt the party that has tarnished scotts good name in the herp community, and stated things that are not and can not be proving to be FACTS , the plaintifs on *star* witness anthony has stated that the animal was received in good heatlh and alive. that will count for a whole lot when this goes to what ever court or if the tv judges get it lol

 

[Steph Scranton]

I have been watching this thread and would like to make a couple of comments. Now I don't know Scott or Cameron or Anthony. I have no stake in this at all, so here goes. (If some of these actually have been answered then I am sorry. I got a little bleary eyed about page 25)

Cameron,
1. Why have constantly avoided the fact that you have to be 18 to be on reptibid?

2. Do you normally purchase animals without your mother's consent?

3. How old is your "partner" bruce?

4. How old is Anthony?



Please also go back and find Ms. Terese's post and answer her questions, rather than fight about who is who in the Army.

I would also like to make a comment on how you SHOULD have dealt with this WHOLE transaction. You should have been upfront with Scott and told him how old you were. I have had animals sent places other than my house, when I knew I wasn't going to be home. However, with the exception of one time, I went WITHIN HOURS to get my new addition. The one time, I had the snake sent someplace other than my house, I was on the phone with the receiver, and in contact with the seller, the entire time until the snake was in my hot little hands. I called everyday to find out how my baby was doing. If anything had been noticed in the first couple of days, the seller would have been notified IMMEDIATLY as well as a qualified herp vet.

I don't know what kind of snakes/reptiles that you do have but let me give you a lesson in the "World of High dollar Reptile " that had you done any research, you would have discovered. When you are dealing with expensive animals, there is not a breeder or dealer out there that is not going to expect for YOU to have a necropsy done if something happens. They won't pay half or part, YOU pay the whole thing. If something was wrong with the animal, that could be a pre-existing condition or could have been caused by shipping. They might work with you. However, NONE of the breeders, including myself, will talk to you if you don't have a necropsy in hand. ESPECIALLY if the snake arrived in good shape.

If Anthony would like to talk and get his story out. I would be more than happy to listen, ask questions that need to be asked WITHOUT being confrontational and post his report here. I do "troubleshooting" for people with animal problems everyday. I can listen with open ears and mind to find the root of the problem. Just a suggestion.

Now one last question remains...has anybody contacted Repti-bid to inform them that minors are using their site?