Has anyone heard of Tim Koppenhof?

[BryonsBoas]

My concern coming here was valid at most. I need to know if the person who traded those snakes, mine being one of them has had bad practices trading or selling reptiles

The only thing you posted with any validity was the mix up on the paperwork. Everything else was a psychotic episode.

Dan of chaosreptiles has called me making accusations about my husbandry practices today. I told him when/if the snake dies it will be shipped back to him.

If I had your number I'd call ya to tell ya your husbandy sucks. Why ship the snake back? YOUR so sure its not your fault , when it dies have it necropsied. Show us it wasn't your fault.

Also he told me his girlfriend packaged up the snake. The snake was in a very small round plastic cup with a total of 6 airholes on the side. The packing was thick, the snake released feces and condensation was inside the cup. The box was very airtight. Dan said today he does not ship in cups! The snake should not have been shipped in a plastic cup!

It was shipped in a deli cup with air holes , BIG WHOOP. I've shipped with deli cups , a number of folks here have shipped with deli cups. THATS WHY THEY HAVE AIR HOLES. Dan may not prefer to ship in deli cups. Doesn't mean its wrong. Get your info right before the accusations.

I need help. If anyone knows of this man with no name who goes to the shows please pm me. I only need to know if the breeder has ever sold off ill snakes. I know others here would want to know as well

You got the first part right. Maybe a new prescription is needed.

I am the only one who has bought one at this point as well.

No your not , brush up on reading comprehension skills.

am here to help others. Not to come back on here and be bad mouthed.
Before anyone attacks my message, please think about these facts posted.

Help others with what? What facts? How about answering some questions to provide those " FACTS ".

Heres some facts for ya....

1) YOUR friend got sick after handling YOUR feeder rodents. The same feeder rodent stock that you fed the baby boa with.

2) The only mix up was the paperwork.

3) YOU aren't even the customer.

4) YOU have stated what your AMBIENT temps are which reach the high side of well done. You have no idea what your hot spot is and your " temp controller " isn't even a temp controller.

5) YOU refuse to help yourself by providing the information to Dan & Josh that ANY seller / breeder would request.

6) You've been in caught in a few lies here and you claim ignorance or someone did it under your name.

7) YOU have avoided the questions asked of you that would most likely pinpoint YOU as the problem.

8) You even went so far as to mention IBD to get attention knowing it could have very well got out of control in the rumor mill.

Need more? Only bad guy I see here is YOU lady. You have tried to do the most damage you could to Dan & Josh in this thread. You are have yourself to be incompetent , vindictive , manipulative , mean spirited and off your freakin nut over YOUR ignorance of proper care and maintenance. I would think Chaos Reptiles has enough proof in this thread to start their own BOI warning thread about you as a customer. For your sake , find counseling , you have serious issues that need the help of a professional.

 

[Kairo]

I just want the original breeder of the snake for reasons of many! This makes sense!
Health issues!

As far as Myspace, NO. I told Dan i had his website first. I did not ever have a myspace profile, i did not do any transaction through myspace. I have my email that i used for transaction of the snake...that is the only way with my paypal.

I never sent one picture to Dan of the snake. I never met Dan. And i don't know you.

You guys have so many holes in your stories. Today Dan calls demanding a Vets. number. He says you give me the number to the Vet. you seen and i will give you the breeders name! This is no game to me Dan! I paid for a snake that went wrong from the start as Dan wont argue i would hope not.

He did not know about how the animal was put in a cup with few airholes, to the papers that went in as well. The more i talked to this guy the more everything he said was getting out of hand, and the more i learned he was unaware of with the sale. I had no choice but to tell him that i am not doing this anymore, and i hung up.

He does not want his name all over Fauna, he wants to do it in private email, phone calls he says. When a person starts cursing at me on the phone i am hanging up.
When a person tells me my husbandry caused this problem, i hang up.

And when a person does not know about the animal shipped, (how it was packaged, and the wrong papers etc) i hang up. I have nothing to offer chaosreptiles now.

Except i hope through my messages this will not happen again.

I will stay with the breeders on here i know and have dealt with! A lesson learned.

 

[Jim O]

Except i hope through my messages this will not happen again.

I will stay with the breeders on here i know and have dealt with! A lesson learned.

Yes, through your message no one will ever do business with you again.

And those breeders whom you know hopefully have also learned that lesson.

 

[Miss Tuniwha]

You said the animal was not sick when you got it. So.. no.. the breeder is NOT important.

YOU MADE IT SICK!!

The only reason you wont give up the vet info is you know it will point the finger at you.

If they were to get a lawyer.. The vet info is the #1 thing they would get.. Why? for one to prove you went, and for 2 to see what the vet said. .. .. so how can you say it is none of their business??

 

[jstone]

As far as Myspace, NO. I told Dan i had his website first. I did not ever have a myspace profile, i did not do any transaction through myspace. I have my email that i used for transaction of the snake...that is the only way with my paypal.

if you say bc he didnt answer you never spoke to dan on the phone and you never email any of the chaos reptile emails, how exactly did you guys communicate? How did you method of communication did you use to tell him you wanted papers or tell him specifically which snake you wanted? I'm just curious, bc when i was adding the snakes to our website so that you could purchase them. Dan kept calling me saying that the girl who want to buy them keeps messaging him. Where did you message him? Not email, not phone, not myspace? So how?

 

[chaosad]

this just does not end. I called her today and asked if she would give me the number of the vet she took it to. in turn she said she will mail me the papers, via snail mail, as soon as i give her the name of the acctual breeder of this snake. I told you that the transaction was between you and I and he has nothing to do with this and i will not reveal a third party without his/ her permission, this is called privavcy. you refused again the number of the vet because you said you didnt want nto leave your self exposed. i translate that as you either did not take the snake to a vet or if you did then your husbady caused this problem. And i did say i was not accusing you of bad husbandry but you left me no choice to assume that was the cause for this snake. as for the paper work I alread said it was a total mix up and shouln't have been in that box. I told you that if there is a problem between a buyer and a seller it needs to be adressed to that person first. I had absolutly no idea that there was any issue with this snak until i saw this post. If you choose to post things publicly you allow other people to post there opinions, and so far you are not likeing what you are hearing. Josh and myself have givin you more than one oportunity to give us the info that we need to correct this feascal. you still wont help us. then you hang up on me, and i defiantly do not recall any cursing. I have no choice but to tell you good luck and take care of that snake.

I am sure you will have better luck with the other breeders you have previously done buisness with.

again sorry for any inconvenience

 

[jstone]

That should have read like this:


if you said you never spoke to dan on the phone bc he didn't answer, and you never emailed any of the chaos reptile emails, how exactly did you guys communicate? What method of communication did you use to tell him you wanted papers or tell him specifically which snake you wanted? I'm just curious, bc when i was adding the snakes to our website so that you could purchase them. Dan kept calling me saying to hurry up, that the girl who want to buy them keeps messaging him and she wanted to buy the het albino. Then Called me again saying she changed her mind, and asked me if i could add the normals to our site. How did he know you changed your mind? Where did you message him? Not email, not phone, not myspace? So how?

 

[elisium]

I don't know if it has been pointed out that apparantly (from information on other forums) Pamela rescues snakes. if in fact the snake she purchased from Dan is sick (which I highly doubt it's the snake from him) then it may be from her other captives.

I trust and respect Dan and his business 100%, and highly doubt that his name should be dragged through the mud like this.

 

[Gecko_Den]

I don't know if it has been pointed out that apparantly (from information on other forums) Pamela rescues snakes. if in fact the snake she purchased from Dan is sick (which I highly doubt it's the snake from him) then it may be from her other captives.

I trust and respect Dan and his business 100%, and highly doubt that his name should be dragged through the mud like this.

Chris; your full name is required on all BOI postings.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8880

 

[kmurphy]

I really cannot understand Pamela's reasoning for not disclosing the vet's name. However, if Gary was my partner I would be giving him a raft if crap for giving her that paperwork. If it was done in error then it was certainly a serious oversight. If it was done, as suggested and agreed to by Gary, just to appease the customer then it was extremely irresponsible.
Gary may be a great guy and honest as the day is long but on paper it looks like he tried to mislead the customer.

 

[Gecko_Den]

I really cannot understand Pamela's reasoning for not disclosing the vet's name. However, if Gary was my partner I would be giving him a raft if crap for giving her that paperwork. If it was done in error then it was certainly a serious oversight. If it was done, as suggested and agreed to by Gary, just to appease the customer then it was extremely irresponsible.
Gary may be a great guy and honest as the day is long but on paper it looks like he tried to mislead the customer.

Who is Gary? Josh and Dan are the partners...

 

[Kairo]

You said the animal was not sick when you got it. So.. no.. the breeder is NOT important.

YOU MADE IT SICK!!

The only reason you wont give up the vet info is you know it will point the finger at you.

If they were to get a lawyer.. The vet info is the #1 thing they would get.. Why? for one to prove you went, and for 2 to see what the vet said. .. .. so how can you say it is none of their business??

As i said i am done with this mess. If it's my fault i told Dan it's my fault. I am not pointing the finger at him for a snake 4 weeks later, i made that clear today with him. Snakes get sick. Any number of reasons happen i am aware of this. Always was. I repeat myself: We took care of that part, or i did.

I wont be doing business with chaosreptiles again is all i say.

I wish Dan had more knowledge of the shipping as he did state he did not know about the plastic cup. I told him about the few tiny pin holes. He did clear up with me as well he did not pack the animal and would not have used a plastic cup. The box was sealed very very tight. The snake let out feces in the cup which is the reason the condensation would be present it would seem. The cup was very warm...that may explain the drinking of lots of water and being a bit lethargic. Again, i had snakes arrive laying on hot packs...or cold packs. They settle and do fine. But this is a baby only a few months old there is a difference.

And yes the papers are a bug deal to me. They always will be. I am not a person to purchase a snake with out breeder, or previous breeder contact (name is fine) age, sex and last feed. Why would i want any less?

If anyone wishes to add me to a "do not sell list" feel free.

I am only stating the obvious here. Nothing more, nothing less.

This has not been a good experience for me. And with the many people throwing in their two cents...i wish you understood. Now i don't know who bred out this animal, and if there was ever a problem in the past.

I am through with chaosreptiles after being cursed at today and the assumption my husbandry is bad.
Not what you would expect when you are shipped a snake that you need information about, and did not get it as promised. Now i wont get any info.

So...why am i here anymore in the BOI section? I'm not anymore.

Dan has admitted there has been mess-ups on his end. I will take responsibility on my end.

He's cleared....i'm over my warranty.

The breeder is the person who needs to be contacted and checked out to see if there are any past problems. I would do it, and i would do it for anyone i sold a snake to as well. I was under the impression i was getting contact info. from the original breeder since these are baby snakes. Hell that's important to me.

That's why the BOI exists!

 

[Kairo]

Who is Gary? Josh and Dan are the partners...

That is my thought exactly! I wanted papers i got them...false info.

 

[kmurphy]

Who is Gary? Josh and Dan are the partners...

Sorry it should have read Dan. So here is the corrected version.

I really cannot understand Pamela's reasoning for not disclosing the vet's name. However, if Dan was my partner I would be giving him a raft if crap for giving her that paperwork. If it was done in error then it was certainly a serious oversight. If it was done, as suggested and agreed to by Dan, just to appease the customer then it was extremely irresponsible.
Dan may be a great guy and honest as the day is long but on paper it looks like he tried to mislead the customer.

 

[Kairo]

As far as the Vets name. The snake is alive. I will be taking it to my Vet. who will then run a battery of tests i am sure. The Vet. papers are not important. It's parasites i told Dan. Snakes get them all the time. No fault of mine perhaps or Dans. That i will agree with. If something serious that kills this animal happens which it has not and it's been seemingly ok when i check on it, i would let the ones who need to know, know.

If a snake has IBD then everyone needs to know asap! But i'm looking over it (i'm not a Vet.) but he moved today and moved yet again...no flipping the tail over, or i honestly would have told Dan about that!

 

[Kairo]

For hells sake here...i just want to know if the breeder is a good person to deal with!!!!! I have one of this mans snakes. And no papers that are correct.

That is ALL i want. I can't go through this anymore, it's not fun, it's not cool, and it certainly does not help me.

Is he being protected? Does he exist? I mean many go to trade shows...someone must know of him, a name. I really want piece of mind about all this.

Dan wont give it to me he said on the phone today. I need help with this "mystery" person then.

Thanks.

 

[jsrocket]

Sorry it should have read Dan. So here is the corrected version.

I really cannot understand Pamela's reasoning for not disclosing the vet's name. However, if Dan was my partner I would be giving him a raft if crap for giving her that paperwork. If it was done in error then it was certainly a serious oversight. If it was done, as suggested and agreed to by Dan, just to appease the customer then it was extremely irresponsible.
Dan may be a great guy and honest as the day is long but on paper it looks like he tried to mislead the customer.

Kevin, I agree, they should never have sent that "paperwork". I'm sure they learned a lesson here, but it doesn't seem like an attempt to mislead.

If you read it (part is cut off), all it says is (paraphrase) "you have purchased a healthy, feeding rtb from us, thanks for your purchase, bla, bla". Nothing was untrue, except he named Tim as the breeder, and spelled his name wrong.

Sure, that part was a guess on Dan (or Josh's) part, as it turned out that Tim was not, in fact, the breeder.

I'm sure they'll never make that mistake again. I see what you're saying, but from a pragmatic standpoint, no harm was done.

 

[jstone]

Pam continues to mentioning IBD. I want to go on public record stating, that if that snake has contracted IBD then is is not from us. Not one of our snakes from that clutch or any others that we are selling have any signs of sickness. They are all in perfect health, eating and behaving normally. Our animals have given us no cause to be alarmed.

 

[Gary O]

lmao..........

Kevin................ I just have part of the clutch. I have sold 5 and traded a few to a friend the other day. All are fine.

Pam, I was going to give you the name. I really was. But your actions here prevents me from giving you this persons personal info. Sorry you did this. You are now backing down about the animal being sick and being Dan's fault as people want to see SOMETHING from the vet. You posted Dan's letter. Post something from the vet. Show us you did not make that up.

As I will talk to the breeder myself and so will Dan. Not for you for us. But as I stated. I have some of his animls here and they are doing 100% fine. Sorry but if you would not have acted in such a way you would have had all the info you wanted. Adults can talk. Kids throw fits......................

 

[ravensgait]

Josh,, you shouldn't have even commented on the IBD statement that Pam made.. Though it is extremely unlikely that her animal has IBD. If by some chance it does prove to have it then yes your animals would have been exposed as I doubt that you kept it away from every other animal you have and it is part of a litter that you have other animals from.

Pam has shot herself in the foot here so many times she must have wounds up to her thighs by now.

Might be a good idea to stop responding to her here and ask your friends to do the same. As dragging this thread out isn't making anyone look good here. Randy