Has anyone heard of Tim Koppenhof?

[Miss Tuniwha]

I agree with twh49801.... It would be help full to go into details. You said your conditions are perfect.. but what are they? and what are your quarantine methods (as in the questions that twh49801 mentioned)

Also what are the problems that the snake is having. Regardless of WHO produced this snake. If it is a MONTH later.. .. then who in their right mind would think of the original breeder??? Since you are not posting in concern of all the other snakes, but instead merely concerned for your money.. then I don't think the original breeder is an issue..

just my thoughts.

 

[Tokaylover]

Thank god someone noticed my post. If every single other boa from that clutch is doing amazing could it, oh my, possibly be that pamela did something wrong during the time she owned the snake? oh no, couldn't be.

 

[loteer]

IMO i dont have too much of a concern about Tims name being in the title because it's not a bad guy thread about him ... it's just just asking for info about him.

A little advice to Pamela

Get the snake to a vet find out what exactly is wrong with it before you start demanding refunds. If it turns out to besomething you did your going to feel like a donkey.

Then if it turns out to be something that has been present for some time approach Dan and see what can be done.

 

[chaosad]

Dan, really hard to believe you would consider it charity helping out a customer of yours even after you misrepresented the paper work on the boa.

you know as well as I, at shows people buy, sell, and trade. I gave her all the info to the best of my knowledge about the snake to her up front. she was originally considering buying a het albino circleback male. the snake she bought was a normal. She has mixed together info on both snakes and is demanding a refund. She sent an email tonight around the same time this topic was started. If she did indeed call since the transaction she failed to leave a message for me to call her back. I value my customers and provide quality animals, but the problem I have is she did not contact me to handle this problem instead She started this post for no good reason, trying to make me look like a bad guy after having this snake in her care for over a month. I have posted m cell phone number in here and she has not called. there is a point where a line must be drawn in the sand, and that is where my charity is running short, and you know where I am coming from.

 

[romad119]

She started on the right path as it seemed she wanted background info only on the snake as it relates to its health. From there she spiraled as she saw an out with the letter stating its origin being wrong.

Would the origin of the snake effect your friend's, who purchased it, decision to buy it? I doubt it as it was a normal. So to me arguing that it isn't from Tim is a cop out.

Does your friend, who purchased it, have evidence of a guarantee that extends over a month on its health? Don't think so either.

Pause (as the computer processes)

Ding (computer spits out ticket)

Rip (tears ticket to read it)

Answer: Quarantine snake and look after its health.

 

[Kairo]

No need to see an animal suffer. Went to the animal clinmic today with the snake. The Vet. was very nice and she made a call to a friend i guess who has seen many snakes in Sanford. She did a fecal. The snake has Parasitic Disease. He has been treated and needs a follow up with my herp. Vet on Mon. when they open again.

The snake has moved to the cooler side of the cage. Good sign i guess. Last night the snake was a bit on it's back, upon touching him he would flip over.

More tests are needed to see if something Viral has happened she said.

I took responsibility, and will show paper work of the Vet check.

Upon saying this was the snake wormed? As Dans site says they are. Or it did.

Also the snake got an injection of B-12 for energy. Hopes of eating in a week. Weight has dropped far too quick. The animal is sick, this she has said, and parasites will kill a very young snake very quickly!

OK..without a fight. Here it goes.

PLEASE stop saying Tim produced the Het Boa, he had no Boas he produced in mid March of 07. This is something Dan needs to clear up with him.

And the snake..well i was well aware of the purchase from my friend and roomate, as the purchase was made on MY Paypal account! I looked at two printed pictures of the snakes.

I was VERY specific about a Birth date, and shedding etc. As i was told i would get. Vets. know more if they have this info. Normals or not.

I have purchased many normals on this site, and they all came with the breeder and birth records, shed last feed etc.

This is a hobby for me to own and keep healthy snakes! It's not a game of who said what, and it's not about the money.

I was mislead. And yes i want others to know. That was why i came here looking for the breeder of the animal, not the seller.

I only wish i was emailed that this animal was a trade at a show. I simply would not have purchased it.

Instead i was told of a breeder and a name as we all know whos name i got.

Now. i have invested $70.00 more dollars into this animal, i will not let it suffer under my care!

I may be facing other problems with it or not. I will up-date you all when my Vet. opens the office again.

Dan, charity work. I paid you for a purchase that had wrong info. And, if i purchased (again my paypak account paid for the snake, and i seen two picturs of Boas) the Het/Albino...i would have wrong info. yet again. I have a message from a person in my inbox that does not go with Dans story yet again about the other snake.

Mods please feel free to check that message! I have a feeling i'm going to eat this one. Dan clearly sent me an email last night (i was in bed, read it this morning) wanting to argue the situation.

OK, the snake did not get a parasitc disease being here!

I am no idiot, snake has been in quarantine since it arrived. All was going well, but it just seemed a tad lethargic from the arrival. I simply gave the animal an adjustment period and kept it as i would any other new arrival. My husbandry is not in question now. And i knew it never actually was.

My up-date to those who cared to know.

Seeing there will be no refund on this animal, according to my email from Dan.

To those thanks for the support. And the others. Well we all have opinions as i read.

From the start a mess-up with this snake.

Oh not to mention a 4 hour warranty.

Pamela

 

[Kairo]

For the record to those who are reading this thread. Dan shows as being online here, and i called him. Left a detailed message with my number, he has not returned my call/s. Ever.

My personal experience with this guy was bad.
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND HIM.

Thanks all who read and understand this experience.

Pamela

 

[Gary O]

PLEASE stop saying Tim produced the Het Boa, he had no Boas he produced in mid March of 07. This is something Dan needs to clear up with him.

If you would have read this thread. Like you say you have. You would see that I and a few others have posted the Het was not produced by Tim. It was simply bought from him. He sold it to a person at Cleveland. That person then traded it to Dan saying hey it is 100% het albino I got it from Tim. Dan may have thought hey it came from tim so it is all good. And thinking Tim produced it. Tim did not produce it. The customer that traded it to Dan bought it from Dan. Please read this very thread.

The snake has Parasitic Disease

You say that there is no way it came from you. Yes it could have. Really, it could have.

You say you got it and was happy with it. It ate twice. then stopped.

YOu also now say you Q this animal. Before you were really really worried about your other snakes? If you Q then you should be ok..............

Can you scan the vet check papers so we can see them. That would help a lot.

 

[Gary O]

The customer that traded it to Dan bought it from Dan

That should read

The customer that traded it to dan bought it from Tim

 

[jstone]

pamela you did the cell number we listed for dan like 10 times. You called our office number, which its the four of july, who's in the office? we gave you dans direct cell phone number. USE it. For the record this is the first and only message i have heard or received from this woman. We pride ourselves on our costumer service. If you would have taken the necessary steps to talk to us instead of slandering us on this forum. We would have resolved this problem.

Tim We are sorry your named got dragged into this. By no means do believe you to be the origin of the snake in question. I apologize. Also if the het albinos did not come from you we are sorry that we had our information wrong, and will look into correcting it.

 

[jstone]

Should have read: Pamela you did not call the cell number we listed for dan 10 times. you called our office number........

 

[Miss Tuniwha]

I also agree that if the snake was eating and looking fine for the first 2 meals.. and then stopped eating, and going down hill... then I think the issues came after you acquired the snake.

You say that your info isn't important?? I disagree. Please fill us in. What your set up is like, bedding, mite care, heat. all that stuff.

You need to accept the fact that YOU may be at fault here. Quit trying to find any reason to push it on someone else. If he was sick when you got him.. never ate.. all that stuff, you would then have a case..

you don't.

All you seem to be doing is digging your own hole deeper and deeper here..

suck it up. Accept reality. Move on.

NOT trying to sound rude here.. but this seems to be going no where fast. Just a downward spiral.

 

[BryonsBoas]

No need to see an animal suffer. Went to the animal clinmic today with the snake. The Vet. was very nice and she made a call to a friend i guess who has seen many snakes in Sanford. She did a fecal. The snake has Parasitic Disease. He has been treated and needs a follow up with my herp. Vet on Mon. when they open again.

The snake has moved to the cooler side of the cage. Good sign i guess. Last night the snake was a bit on it's back, upon touching him he would flip over.

More tests are needed to see if something Viral has happened she said.

I took responsibility, and will show paper work of the Vet check.

Upon saying this was the snake wormed? As Dans site says they are. Or it did.

I hae a funny fuzzy feeling YOU are the reason the snake is suffering. Wether by ignorance of proper husbandry or pure stupidity , I'm sure your the reason.

I was mislead. And yes i want others to know. That was why i came here looking for the breeder of the animal, not the seller.

Do you REALLY feel you were mislead by recieving an animal from a dealer instead of the breeder himself? If you go read your original posts they can give the impression you were upset over not dealing with the breeder himself as reality rushed in that you bought from a dealer. Is that how you mean " mislead" ? Mistakes on paperwork hapens. I was a millionare with my bank once for 24 hours due to a mistake on paperwork.

Mods please feel free to check that message! I have a feeling i'm going to eat this one. Dan clearly sent me an email last night (i was in bed, read it this morning) wanting to argue the situation.

Why do the mods need to check out something YOU started? You're the one who went off their nut making demands and becoming the aggressor instead of handling this like a calm adult.

OK, the snake did not get a parasitc disease being here!

I am no idiot, snake has been in quarantine since it arrived. All was going well, but it just seemed a tad lethargic from the arrival. I simply gave the animal an adjustment period and kept it as i would any other new arrival. My husbandry is not in question now. And i knew it never actually was.

Ummm , Yeah , your husbandry is in question. You've been asked point blank questions that have easy answers and you give us ...... YOUR PERCEPTION of what YOU think your temps and humidity are. Simple answer loooks like: " I use a 20 gal long with a 90 degree hotspot on one end with a heat pad and I mist twice a day." Instead we get " Its Perfect" . How are we supposed to know your true level of knowledge of keeping if you give us vague answers or avoid the questions?

Depending on if you feed live or F/T or even where you get your feeders from , any parasite load the animal has now could very well be from the time its been in your care. Improper husbandry will also affect the animals immune system allowing a minor load to quickly become a life threatening load. There is for too much much experiance from those posting here that has done the research for us to just jump on your bandwagon due to your vague responses and psycho heifer attitude.

Seeing there will be no refund on this animal, according to my email from Dan.

Well duh. It looks like the only person here who'd support a refund is Ed. I wouldn't give you one either. I give 7 day gaurentees with mine. Call me over 4 weeks later with a problem that sounds more and more like its a problem YOU created , you'd be hearing the same thing. I'd give you advice but thats it.

Oh not to mention a 4 hour warranty.

I'd lay money thats a typo and should've read 24 hour warranty.

Your not going to listen any of us anyway so I don't even know why I'm trying. Must be a slow day or something.

 

[Gecko_Den]

This snake was a purchase for me from a friend.

the purchase was made on MY Paypal account!

this could be a disease from birth starting to show up, or something that went around my air.

i may have a serious diease here, and i keep alot of snakes.

I am no idiot, snake has been in quarantine since it arrived.

I'm not eager to shoot blame.

I blame no one

DAN IS A LIER! I got ripped off! I want a refund!

I'm confused.

Well at least one of the above quotes is accurate and doesn't contradict any of your other posts.

 

[chaosad]

So Pamela finally called and left a number for me to reach her. There was a simple mix up of paperwork, and about the origin of the snake, because snakes change many hands sometimes. She stated that she took the snake to the vet and it in now resting in a hide box. I explained to Pamela that all of the snakes I have here are in perfect health, along with those that Jon and Gary have form the same clutch at their facility. I told Pamela that if she chooses to put the snake down that i cannot help her. Instead she agreed to try and help the snake until her herp vet is back in town, then we can see exactly what is going on. She has stated that flukes where found in a fecal teat at a different vet today. I told Pamela that if there is a pre parasitic infestion, I would happily have the snakes of the same clutch that I still have tested as well, with total faith that mine are healthy and in an attempt to find the origin of the parasitic infestation. so we are going to simply wait out to see the outcome of the snake in attempts to see what is really happening. Like I said I stand behind my animals 150% but there is only so much that i can do to help at this point. we shall have to wait and see.

As for Tim I left him a message today, I haven't heard back from him But I would like to give my own personal, and formal apology that he, and his good name have been brought into this minor situation. I know I will see him at the next Cleveland show but until then I am truly sorry about your name and any mix up being brought up. It is not fair for any accusations and I take all accountability for your name being brought up. Again Tim I am truly sorry.

 

[garweft]

I think it is important to point out that parasites can be introduced through food as well as cross contamination. The OP could have cross contaminated the baby by attending to it after attending to her other animals. She also could have introduced parasites accidentally through the rodents feed to her baby.

It is important to observe the heath of all animals, especially babies. It seems like the OP noticed a change in feeding pattern, but waited until it got worse before doing something about it. This was her biggest mistake. She should have gotten a fecal done on the babies first bowel movement. This is pretty standard for anyone with any other animals.

I am not completely satisfied with the errors in the paperwork, but accidents do happen. The buyer should have been clear on exactly what she wanted in terms of background. If she wanted something that the seller didn't have, she should have went elsewhere. If the seller was willing to say anything to make the sale, then boo to him. But I don't think that is what happened. It seems like it was an error in communication before the sale.

 

[Kairo]

You all know what i laid my cards out here on the table. I could have LIED. I don't lie! So what you read is the truth. I called Dan several times before the arrival and after thr arrival of the snake. I never got a return call where we talked until today! He says he called but no answer, i wont call him a liar, but the number given has a machine.

Now, there is a bigger problem with the snake perhaps according to the vet. My Vet. will know for sure. He's not in until next week. However, the animal as i told Dan was a little lethargic, but babies being babies stress from shipping, settling in can cause this!

He is in a small Vision cage. He is on newspaper, heat provided one side between 80's up to higher 80's and can be turned up to 90 if needed during the day lower slightly at night. This IS temps. not uth warmth he has. It is slightly warm as it should be on the uth if he wants.

I have a Rheostat along with with a Thermometer that shows over all Temps. in the cage, and radiant temps. as well. He has hide boxes on both ends (cool and warm and one in the middle by the shallow water dish) I do not use lights over my cages. I do now use fish tanks for snakes!!!

Please don't question my husbandry when he has intestinal parasites! He has not been exposed to any other snake or animal, period.

The Vet. today was talking about bacterial as well as VIRAL. Now i'm not ruling out anything, these are after all snakes. One gets sick, others may or may not...it's not unheard of.

Finding the original person who breeds them may help if this snake does have a "disorder". Others may have had some problems in the past as well with his babies.

You all can stop pointing fingers at me now, and start with what happened. I would never of had to come here if i had the correct papers for the snake, with the correct name of the person that it came from.

Dan says he (the trader of the snakes) may be at the Ohio show. Any info. would help.

When a snake starts turning on it's back...i don't question my husbandry (no chemicals etc) i look at a disease! Start there and work your way down.

I have never come across this before.

I don't care if it's a $5,000 snake or $50.00 snake they deserve care.
If at anytime i feel the animal is suffering badly i will put it down (this means the boa i have in question).

And send off the papers after a necropsy as to what is what.

Being honest does not pay off to many of you. And it does not matter.
I came here for help. Thinking Tim produced. Simple enough.

I know who you people are, the ones selling on Myspace when others pay for advertising here...so it's easy to point fingers, however it's not fair.

I will produce any papers needed to prove what this snake has. Right now it's a parasite infestation! And treated as so. I can't get a refund. I can't get any help as i had the snake 4 weeks now i was told.

All i wanted was proper papers on the animal, eating, sheds, B-date, sex and where it came from. Now we don't know who the guy is as i was told. But know him by seeing him. This is not what i expected. And...this is why i came here!!!

So i have 2 choices. Keep it as comfortable as i can with my Vets. help. And, if it starts to crash even more have it put down. A necropsy wont lie.

I have dealt with snakes long enough to see a whole clutch be perfectly fine while a few or even one dies months later due to an illness that was no fault on the owners part!

Please don't be so quick to point fingers....yet. I have hopes for the snake. But at this time it's not looking good.

SO..calling that number (not the cell) did get Dan to call me back after i posted here.

He can't help me. It's my decision. So i just want to know if this "guy" who is trading snakes has ever been heard of or had problems in the past.

That is my purpose. And a solution to this attack on me and my husbandry.

Never trade or purchase an animal without a contact number, or business card!
So this snake came from who? Where? And then was sold to me with papers that are not correct.

Thanks for the supporting messages inbox!

Pamela

 

[Kairo]

I think it is important to point out that parasites can be introduced through food as well as cross contamination. The OP could have cross contaminated the baby by attending to it after attending to her other animals. She also could have introduced parasites accidentally through the rodents feed to her baby.

It is important to observe the heath of all animals, especially babies. It seems like the OP noticed a change in feeding pattern, but waited until it got worse before doing something about it. This was her biggest mistake. She should have gotten a fecal done on the babies first bowel movement. This is pretty standard for anyone with any other animals.

I am not completely satisfied with the errors in the paperwork, but accidents do happen. The buyer should have been clear on exactly what she wanted in terms of background. If she wanted something that the seller didn't have, she should have went elsewhere. If the seller was willing to say anything to make the sale, then boo to him. But I don't think that is what happened. It seems like it was an error in communication before the sale.

No, i did not wait too long...this happened 2 days ago. That was the first evaluation i made, and watched the animal. As soon as it flipped i wrote...same day, here.

Being a bit lethargic, can be from stress in a new environment. I see it alot. The they move. Babies being babies will eat and refuse the next meal or two as well, this raises concern as it did with me.

This is why i am here now.

I'm not going to know anything more until my Vet. is back. He looks after all my snakes, They have been de-wormed as well as a precaution when i get them. But being cb Dan did a fecal he told me, and he seen nothing.
The Vet. did.

 

[Kairo]

I think it is important to point out that parasites can be introduced through food as well as cross contamination. The OP could have cross contaminated the baby by attending to it after attending to her other animals. She also could have introduced parasites accidentally through the rodents feed to her baby.

It is important to observe the heath of all animals, especially babies. It seems like the OP noticed a change in feeding pattern, but waited until it got worse before doing something about it. This was her biggest mistake. She should have gotten a fecal done on the babies first bowel movement. This is pretty standard for anyone with any other animals.

I am not completely satisfied with the errors in the paperwork, but accidents do happen. The buyer should have been clear on exactly what she wanted in terms of background. If she wanted something that the seller didn't have, she should have went elsewhere. If the seller was willing to say anything to make the sale, then boo to him. But I don't think that is what happened. It seems like it was an error in communication before the sale.

Matthew, i wanted to (and asked) for papers, i.e. where the snake was produced etc. I got papers Dan says it was a mess up. They are for another Boa Tim K. sold i was told today from Dan. I i got them. But it says nothing of a Het/albino etc.

 

[garweft]

I'm not going to know anything more until my Vet. is back. He looks after all my snakes, They have been de-wormed as well as a precaution when i get them. But being cb Dan did a fecal he told me, and he seen nothing.
The Vet. did.

So all of your snakes get an initial vet visit, except this one? That doesn't make much sense to me. Why not this one? The more animals you have the bigger the risk when you bring in a new one. Plus without the original fecal there is no way you can say, with complete certainty, that the animal had it from the beginning

If I was you I would also get fecals done on all of your other animals as well. Adults can be very tolerant of parasites and can be a source population that can reinfect the baby as well as your other animals.