HCE-Kingsnake ad. fishy?

[screamdreams]

 

[ms_terese]

I just got back from Bruces shop, and I was really impressed with what I saw! He had some really nice pied ball pythons, albino ball python, albino retics,and albino boas just to name a few! I really don't know what the fuss is all about but I have learned not to judge anyones animals until I see them.

Gee, I wonder if he could afford those wonderful animals because HE STOPPED FEEDING HIS TIGER!!

Josh, I hope your animals turn out to be all you hope for and more...I'm not betting on it, but I'm hoping for it....but how can you give money to someone who starved another animal?

© St. Petersburg Times, published May 27, 2001

Janie's story is an example of what can happen to a white tiger cub.

When she arrived in 1997 at a wildlife sanctuary run by Vernon Yates of Seminole, she was 4 years old and should have weighed about 400 pounds.

She weighed 100 pounds.

"Janie could hardly hold her head up," Yates said. "You know what a greyhound looks like? You could see her ribs. We didn't even have to hold her down to put an IV in her."

Janie's owner, Bruce Eisenmann, sent her to Yates on orders from an inspector with the state Wildlife Commission. She was one of three tigers in Eisenmann's possession in Alva, near Fort Myers. The inspector found the cats after a neighbor complained. All were emaciated, with hairless patches of skin and open sores, according to wildlife commission records.

Through his company, Tiger Rescue Foundation, Eisenmann got the tigers to display at schools, churches, nursing homes and civic associations. In June 1997, he pleaded no contest to a charge of animal cruelty and was put on probation.

Yates said Eisenmann told him the tigers had been ill.

"We could never find anything wrong except not enough food," Yates said.

Eisenmann has moved from Florida, according to his mother in South Carolina. Contacted there, Louise Eisenmann said her son was too ill to discuss the matter. She did not elaborate.

Eisenmann's Tiger Rescue Foundation no longer exists. Because nobody ever paid Janie's boarding bill, Yates says, the tiger still lives with him.

more at:
http://www.sptimes.com/News/052701/...ural_fate.shtml

 

[The BoidSmith]

One sentence too many!

I don't care what anyone says about anybody on the BOI.

Josh,

Greetings to you too in your first post!

I like to see things for myself!

So do most people in here, and that's why they were so frantically requesting pictures of the animals for sale. Regrettably it never happened.

Regards.

 

[Venomousonly]

So do most people in here, and that's why they were so frantically requesting pictures of the animals for sale. Regrettably it never happened.

All I can go by is what I see in front of me. I really hope the balls I got prove out also! Only time will tell. But I would suggest to all that post on here if your not sure about an animal go to the breeder and look for your self. If it is too far for you to drive then I suggest you get your animals from a local breeder. I always buy my hets from local breeders for one reason, if they don't prove out I know where to find them!!!

Thanks for your time,and be blessed, Josh Brigman

Psalms 112 Blessed is the man that fears the lord!

 

[screamdreams]

Best of luck to you!!! Well, you're "local" policy is understandable, but I personally rely on strong personal references (unless well-known) and luckily I'm a 100%er (meaning, never been burned!!!)
Good luck to ya!!

 

[The BoidSmith]

Joshua,

It is HCE that is selling through the internet. It is thus them who have to provide pictures when requested. If you are going to do business on the web, and I mean not 1 or 2 times, you need to either buy a digital camera or take regular pictures and scan them Just my opinion.

Regards.

 

[John Albrecht]

venemously - you are missing the point

Did he have mor than 1 adult pied?
He has been selling hets and/or 66% hets in prior years without anyone being able to confirm that he had a pied to begin with. Now he has at least 1 male but that is a recent acquisition. We know he can provide hets now, but how did he produce them before?

 

[Venomousonly]

I don't know what he had befor yesterday, like I said I can only go by what is in front of me. I ask him for pics and he sent them to me. Now I'm not trying to start anything here I'm just telling you my experience with Bruce.

Thanks, Josh Brigman

 

[The BoidSmith]

Joshua,

John asked a very simple question. Did he have more than one pied?

 

[HerpVenue]

1. did you see more than one ADULT pied?
2. did you see a CLUTCH of piebalds?

because he supposedly mated a 1.1 piebald pair and got a clutch of pieds.
as a matter of fact..I think royalpythons says he bought one of the pieds and will post pics as soon as harry gets them eating a couple of times. this clutch was born "supposedly" on may 18. I think they would have had a couple feedings by now.


p.s. If you have a pied male....
why would you make 66%?
why would you just not mate the piebald to all the 100% females?
I know....because the 66% are really normals that he bought in lots. (Whoops did I type that out loud?)

 

[Darin Chappell]

If you have a pied male, how COULD you make 66% possible hets with him? They would all be 100% KNOWN hets, would they not?

 

[John Albrecht]

It's impossible

The question isn't why you would use your pied to make 66%'s, the question is HOW? It's impossible.

 

[John Albrecht]

Let me backup.

My last message is one of those where I wish I had edit capability. After thinking about it, I'm realizing we must be talking about a het as starter stock in the first place. Of course, I'd assume that if you bred your het male to enough het females that a pied would turn up 25% of the time. So if he ONLY had a get then he should probably still have other peids. Where did they go to?

 

[Darin Chappell]

John,

Maybe I missed something too, but Ritchie wrote,

"p.s. If you have a pied male....
why would you make 66%?
why would you just not mate the piebald to all the 100% females?
I know....because the 66% are really normals that he bought in lots. (Whoops did I type that out loud?)"

That made it appear to me that it was a pied male (homozygous) being used for the breeding. If that is truly the case, then it WOULD be impossible to create the 66% offspring.

That's the problem with these long threads wherein the stories get changed around by the bad guys . . .it's tough for this old hillbilly to keep things straight!

 

[HerpVenue]

sorry,

my point is he has been selling A LOT of 66%.
66% come from het to het breeding.
He has been selling A LOT of 66% and has not sold/produced a pied yet.
He either has the worlds worst luck....or...................

anyway.
If you have all these hets and are making TONS of 66%
Why don't you just mate your het females to the piebald male?
After all he is also selling 100%.

He mated his pied to normal females but refuses to mate them with the hets?

maybe peoples priorities differ from my own.
But if I had TONS of het females.....
And if I had a Pied male....
Trust me....that pied male will be going through the het females before he even sees..much less touches a normal female.
Then I will take pictures of the clutches and show the world what I had accomplished.

No one has seen his piedball clutch.
But royal pythons wants me to believe he bought a pied male site unseen. No pictures no nothing.

HCE claims no pictures will be taken until they have eaten and shed. These babies were born in May. It is July for goodness sake. And still not one picture.

 

[Venomousonly]

I seen 2 sub-adult female pieds. I'm not takeing up for anyone, I'm just telling you what I saw I hate I even brought it up if I knew it was going to be this much trouble! Dang!!

 

[John Albrecht]

I notice your a Christian

At least I would assume so by your signature tag..
So you should not be so uptight about just trying to figure out what the truth is. You are only reporting what you saw. And we are grateful for the input.

 

[Venomousonly]

You made a reference to my tag, you're right we need to know the truth. But, you will not find the truth going on what others say, you need to go and find out the truth for yourself! And that is what I did. What he did years ago I can't worry about. I have enough trouble keeping up with today, much less years ago...LOL I guess what I'm trying to say is in the end people will make up their own mind. I'm not making light of what was said about the tigers. I have a strong faith and I believe you will pay for mistreating animals! Maybe not in this life time BUT you will pay!!!! The animals at his shop looked to be in good health. I also hope I didn't offend anyone on the BOI.

Be Blessed, God loves you!!!!

 

[HerpVenue]

I seen 2 sub-adult female pieds.

So you are telling me Harry does not have the 1.1 adult pieds he says he bred together.
There is also no pied clutch he says he produced from the 1.1.

That is good to know.
Thanks for letting us know what Harry has (or does not have)

 

[HerpVenue]

But royal pythons wants me to believe he bought a pied male site unseen. No pictures no nothing.

CORRECTION.
That was supposed to say Royal Reptiles