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HCE-Kingsnake ad. fishy?

ok, so like they asked me,if you have 100% why would you waste time proving out extra males,(or in my case making 66s,this forum is all about money and production of the actual visuals,or do those rules just apply to me?
Harry Eisenmann
 
at the time I had NO reputation,and when pics were posted,everyone on boi,wondered who I stole the pics from,
this isnt over what I had or produced,rather its about my price
Harry Eisenmann:( :(

again the rules are just for me
 
Here is what happened Harry...

A few years ago when I was just getting into Ball pythons, I had a brainstorm to buy 8 possible het males, straight from Kahl, to try and prove out, and eventually produce my own Pieds. Pieds are my favorite morph, and at that time, could not afford the $15K to buy one. I then bought 8 normal females, and there I went, blissfully down the possible het road. It took me a couple of years to realize it is much easier to wait, buy the 100% het pair, and be sure you will produce the desired morph and not pay high prices for "normal" balls. My feeling now is if I cannot afford at least a 100% het pair, I cannot afford that particular morph. I eventually sold 6 of the eight possible het males, could not get a good offer on the final two, so decided to keep the final two possible het males, breed my 100% het pair, and breed my original possible het males to the female offspring resulting from the 100% het pair breeding. Wow, nice run on sentence:) Anyways, that is what happened. No offence to any of you possible het breeders, this is just what works for me. I now have a het pair of the following: green ghost, caramel albino, pied, axanthic. I have a male albino and two het females, and some ghosts, orange and yellow, and some het ghost females and 3 possible het ghosts coming in with a ghost male. I know, the hypo male and .3 possible het females were a package deal, and I do have another het female and ghost female:) I also have 4 of the original normal females, ready to breed and two unproven hypo females, stunning, with eggs incubating, and 2.1 pastels. Any other questions, feel free to ask:)

Dave "One of the goood guys" Reid
 
I dont know where you get your info,
we also have NEVER OFFERED CLOWNS,SPIDERS ,OR GEN, STRIPES,AND ONLY A SELECT FEW ALBINOS(NO HETS)
I hope this clears things up,
thank you

Harry Eisenmann
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CB JUNE 02 100%HET ALBINOS 1.3 AVAIL$500 EA OR$1500 GROUP
SC,shipping nationwide
Posted by digital reptiles (Contact Me!) on December 27, 2002 at 17:00:58

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THESE WERE BORN FROM OUR MALE TO A NORMAL FEMALE
HATCH DATE JUNE 7 02
PICS VIA EMAIL(PIC ABOVE IS OF FATHER)
NO TRADES
PAYPAL PREFERED,BUT MONEY ORDERS TAKEN IF SENT OVERNIGHT
I AM SELLING THESE FOR A FRIEND WHO PURCHASED THEM FROM ME
SHIPPIN IS OVERNIGHT 35 TO 45 DOLLARS BILLED TO RECIEVER
THANKS FOR LOOKING,GOD BLESS
HARRY
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This information came from kingsnake.com. The full thread can be found at:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17484&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

If you read the whole thread, and particularly the ads that were placed at that time, you will understand why there was a general concern.

Regards.
 
One other thing. In the quote below you state you split from your partner in September 02, and from then on started selling as HCE, and I quote:

our original name was digital reptiles that partner and I split in sept 02,he kept the name ,I became HCE
my SON,Bruce,helped with phone calls and shipping till jan 03,he is now on his own.
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In December 02 you were posting ads under the name Digital Reptiles and signing as Harry, and I quote again:

CB JUNE 02 100%HET ALBINOS 1.3 AVAIL$500 EA OR$1500 GROUP
SC,shipping nationwide
Posted by digital reptiles (Contact Me!) on December 27, 2002 at 17:00:58
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I'm trying hard to keep an open mind, and give the benefit of the doubt as much as possible, but...

Kindly,
 
you wont ever get pics ,because they are for customers interested in purchase,of which YOU ,CERTANLY ARE NOT
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that is great......

1. So where are these customers with pictures of the piebalds they bought?
2. If you did not become HCE until September....why were you posting as Digital in december?
3. If you did not become HCE until September 02....Then why did you have that fake receipt saying that HCE bought a pied male in 99

But I know you won't answer any of those questions.
 
you know,
it would be so easy to shut everyone up if you would just post pics of the animals you suppposedly produced. Why is it easier to get teeth pulled than get a pic or two from you? You have sold some pieds "SUPPOSEDLY". so post thier pics or have your customers come here and post pics................TOO EASY

Instead of sitting their crying how everyone is coming down on you and saying this board is bad.......why don't you just post pics... make everyone stick their foots in their mouths and be proud of what you produced?

oh yeah...I remember why.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...age=10&highlight=Harry Eisenmann&pagenumber=1
click on the link. You will see pictures of what harry "SUPPOSEDLY" produced.
You will see pictures of the SAME EXACT ANIMAL and he claims one to be the mom and the other the daughter which he produced.
 
told you when they are feeding and sexed,I would send you pics so you could choose,thats the way I do buisness
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Here is a quote from an e-mail. You refused to sell or send pics because they have not eaten yet.

,ok ,these were hatching thurs,and the 100S should hatch aprox tues,I dont have sexes yet,but will by fri,or so,these are out of our line,bred here,2 pieds in 66% clutch(both spoken for 1 is aprox 50%white,the other is 70%,THESE ARE BOTH SOLD)this is the last of the 66%s,we will have some 100% in mid year,price is firm,only will trade for etbs,gtps,albino atrox,or tortises,
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Here is a quote from an ad saying your pieds are sold and they just hatched too. In other words you did not want anyone asking for pics because they are sold. HOW CONVENIENT One sentence says the 100% will hatch teusday. Another sentence says not until mid year.

Posted by digital reptiles (Contact Me!) on December 14, 2002 at 16:23:33

this weekend only
these did NOT come from our stock (Ihave these on consignment)
cb oct 01,(male)feb 02 and july 02(females)
great color,high contrast
price is shipped
NO TRADES
THIS SAT AND SUN ONLY(Ill buy them myself next week)
price firm,owner needs money now
pics by email
thanks and God bless
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This is one of Harry's add in December 2002 Whoops it does not say HCE.


but don't forget one of Harry's fake reciepts he has been sending people below. It was a receipt in 1999 which he made in the year 2003. How do we know? Because Harry did not really become HCE until 2003. Because in December 2002 he was still digital reptiles and everyone was still talking ab out Harry from Digital Reptiles http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...age=10&highlight=Harry Eisenmann&pagenumber=1


Click on this link. http://www.bobclark.com/bcforums/to...Tigers..&Forum_Title=Reticulated+Python+Forum A guy is talking about pictures of a snake he bought from Harry. The samepictures Harry says is a Daughter and a mother.

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What about the receipt??? Harry???

I find this interesting, a supposed 1999 receipt stating a company name that was not started until 2002 or 2003??? How can that be unless it was printed out in 2003, and someone just did not do their scammers homework? Too many unanswered questions for me to ever do business with them. If you have nothing to hide, it is really easy to pull yourself out of a hole, but if you try to lie, and hide things, you just dig yourself deeper and deeper. Come clean, one way or the other Harry. Tell us what is going on.
 
I find this interesting, a supposed 1999 receipt stating a company name that was not started until 2002 or 2003??? How can that be unless it was printed out in 2003,
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Gotta give the guy a break. At age 83 it is hard to remember not to accept a Receipt for a "Business" that does not exist yet..

P.S. Anyone else having a hard time locating this Incorporated company?
 
Like the old adage

that goes something like this:

..."Better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone wonder, than to speak and confirm their suspicions"...

Regards.
 
No pictures from Royal Pythons like he promised.
Guess that story about buying a piebald from HCE was made up.

HCE has produced piebalds for a minimum two years and NOONE has seen a single picture.

Hey Harry Eisenman of Digital reptiles....whoops I mean HCE inc. Put my foot in my mouth by producing a picture of the piebalds you produced.

Hey Harry Eisenman of Digital Reptiles.......whoops I mean HCE INC.

Put my foot in my mouth by proving that you really are incorporated. Because NO ONE in South Carolina has a record of a co pany called HCE.
 
Posted by "XXX" (Contact Me!) on September 08, 2003 at 21:54:16
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2003-08-01

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Harry Eisenman has provided
a few more 100% het pieds
some from a pied to normal
some from a pied to het
all are may/june babies
females $1300
males $750
all are feeding on rat pinkies
group prices and offers considered
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Here is a little information on the guy doing business as harry of HCE


He is DEAD.

He died over four years ago.

So the guy posting as him around here is probably his SON BRUCE

Again I will say this HE IS DEAD



Thank You Brian Oakley for finding the information below
harry eisenmann fort mill - mr. harry c. eisenmann, 79, of 147 cedar hollow south in heritage usa died friday, may 28, 1999, at home. a memorial service will be 3 p.m. today at lifespring ministries church, with pastor randy worley officiating. a native of cleveland, ohio.......
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It is going to be real hard for me to get my money back from him huh!!! Something tells me with the way his family is doing bussiness whoever is pretending to be him will probably follow soon. Craig Kade
 
Craig,
If yours is really micro chipped. I think it is one of the few real hets out there. But then I could be wrong.

Give it time.

I do not think he is stupid enough to micro chip a bunch of normals. But then again it is a good way of getting quick cash.

Keep your hopes up. At least your smart enough to realize what we are trying to say.

The guy with the screen name royal reptiles continued to cover for him and pretended to buy a piebald that harry produced. After we asked him for pictures.....he has not been back since.
 
It could very well be that Bruce was the one posting

But why in the world would he post the following:


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our original name was digital reptiles,that partner and I split in sept 02,he kept the name ,I became HCE
my SON,Bruce,helped with phone calls and shipping till jan 03,he is now on his own.
he does have some of my animals.Bruce is no longer associated with me in any way
our original hets were purchased localy from a broker known as Rattley reptiles.
we have since purchased 4 pieds,ands 3 other hets
we produced 3 cluches of 66s last year ,from our 1.4 hets,resulting in 4 pieds,as well as 1 cluch of 100%s from our male visual to a normal female(late in the year)
this year we produced the same so far exept on 2 pieds,and 2 cluches of pied to pied
WE WILL NOT REPOND TO ENTRAPMENT EMAILS,WHICH ARE ONES WE FIND BEING 2 FACED AND RUNNING TO THE BOI WITH WHATEVER IS SAID
it is my policy to only post and give pictures of animals which have eaten
we will not ship to ANYONE,regardless of who they think they are,without payment!
we cover genetics for life,
these statments do NOT hold true for either of my 2 sons who are currently in the business
why is my sons record having bearing on me?
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He was plain and simply stating that he could not back-up the genetics of the animals his sons were selling. If this was written by Bruce it makes no sense at all.

Regards.
 
As we speak I have one of my females at a friends house and a het male is just going to town on her. I know its only 25% chance of getting a pied, but if I get 6 eggs and strike out on all of them, I will be pretty sure. Thanks alot for the somewhat comforting words though. Craig Kade
 
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