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Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark

Just another thought here while I sip my morning coffee (aka Nectar of the Gods). Why would someone basically ruin their reputation over this matter? I figure it's got to be one of the following...

1) He's so ego driven that he cannot admit he made a mistake...small or large...he just can NOT face that.

2) He flat out lied about the snakes that he used in this trade and now can't figure any way out but to either ignore the issue or try to whisper behind Emily's back and blame her.

3) That something is going on with his business/husbandry practices that he doesn't want to talk about and this situation might expose further issues.

4) That he really could care less about the animals or his customers and just wants the cash.

So which do you figure it is? One or all of the above? It's got to be something more than a case of internal parasites in a couple of snakes. The man had people supporting him early in this thread. It just makes no sense to me that he wouldn't have used that in his own defense unless something else was going on. :confused:
 
:iagree: Joanna....I vote "All of the Above".... Certainly 1 and 2 are both already given....and 3 and 4 are highly likely. :angry:
 
frankykeno said:
Just another thought here while I sip my morning coffee (aka Nectar of the Gods). Why would someone basically ruin their reputation over this matter? I figure it's got to be one of the following...

1) He's so ego driven that he cannot admit he made a mistake...small or large...he just can NOT face that.

2) He flat out lied about the snakes that he used in this trade and now can't figure any way out but to either ignore the issue or try to whisper behind Emily's back and blame her.

3) That something is going on with his business/husbandry practices that he doesn't want to talk about and this situation might expose further issues.

4) That he really could care less about the animals or his customers and just wants the cash.

So which do you figure it is? One or all of the above? It's got to be something more than a case of internal parasites in a couple of snakes. The man had people supporting him early in this thread. It just makes no sense to me that he wouldn't have used that in his own defense unless something else was going on. :confused:
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#5 All of the above.

The thing is, (and I believe this completely) Ed is not a good guy, and never really was. He has always pulled crap that has been right on the fence. He is able to use words to convince people, (well, most people anyway) that he is on the up and up. He uses words to convince people to buy his animals. That's what salesmen do to get YOUR money in THEIR pocket. Or geckos in this case that got turned into money later.

Like i said earlier. Ed is not interested in doing whats right. He's not interested in contributing to the community. He is only interested in selling animals to make a buck, by what ever means he can come up with at the time. He don't care about the animals, or the people he is dealing with. Only the almighty buck.

Ed, you are a yellow belly chicken shit coward. Deal with this appropriately, or I for one will make it my goal to let people know the truth, if you continue to dodge this issue.


Rick
 
MirandaTwilight said:
The other day I commented on a female crested gecko he had for sale in the Fauna trade section. The ad stated that she was a virgin, and then after the posted photos, went on to say that she was healthy and producing plenty of fertile eggs. When I asked him which it was, the advertisement went missing soon after. :shrug01:

He can't even remember which animals he's selling in the classifieds, so how can he be expected to remember what he sold to Emily?
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Seems to me he can't remember which lies he is telling in the ads or directly to his victims...err....customers.

K. Banks
 
frankykeno said:
Just another thought here while I sip my morning coffee (aka Nectar of the Gods). Why would someone basically ruin their reputation over this matter? I figure it's got to be one of the following...

1) He's so ego driven that he cannot admit he made a mistake...small or large...he just can NOT face that.

2) He flat out lied about the snakes that he used in this trade and now can't figure any way out but to either ignore the issue or try to whisper behind Emily's back and blame her.

3) That something is going on with his business/husbandry practices that he doesn't want to talk about and this situation might expose further issues.

4) That he really could care less about the animals or his customers and just wants the cash.

So which do you figure it is? One or all of the above? It's got to be something more than a case of internal parasites in a couple of snakes. The man had people supporting him early in this thread. It just makes no sense to me that he wouldn't have used that in his own defense unless something else was going on. :confused:
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I'll pick #5 Joanna and say ALL OF THE ABOVE! Specially #3 & #4. He lost most of my respect after that whole sending mites and admitting he doesn't quarantine his new animals properly over at BP.net. After that, I learned that he wasn't really a "real or big time" breeder, but just a true flipper who bought snakes for cheap and sold them for jacked up prices. More then a handful of people told me that he was just in it for the money, and I now truly believe that. Now that this all has gone down and he has showed the true type of person he is... I no longer have a speck of respect for him nor will I ever believe a word he says again in general OR specially about ANY of those animals he may try to sell, opps I mean flip.


In the end WAY TO GO EMILY! After being chewed out, doubted and called a liar you are still here and well now the tables have turned. You fought your battle, answered and proved all the questions that were asked and now I'm glad this came out like this in the end. You are a very good and honest person in my book.
 
I have always had my doubts about Ed because of his actions in other situations. I stayed out of most the threads about him because I never dealt with him directly but this put my doubts to rest. Ed, you are now an official member of the liar and thief scumbag club. Congratulations!
 
I just heard through the grapevine that Ed sold off all of his collection and is now going to focus strictly on the "yellow belly" BP's. Go figure.... :rofl:

Griz
 
It would be nice if the people that chastised Emily and stood up for Ed would make a public apology now that it has been shown that Ed is a spineless liar and thief.

I certainly don't expect anything from the Brokeback Jedi Twins, but I'm sure some of the other skeptics can step up...
 
MirandaTwilight said:
The other day I commented on a female crested gecko he had for sale in the Fauna trade section. The ad stated that she was a virgin, and then after the posted photos, went on to say that she was healthy and producing plenty of fertile eggs. When I asked him which it was, the advertisement went missing soon after. :shrug01:

He can't even remember which animals he's selling in the classifieds, so how can he be expected to remember what he sold to Emily?
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I saw that ad and that question as well, just in case there are doubters.
 
Lawrence, I don't think most have anything to apologize for.. I for one still think it's pretty lame to start a BOI thread about an animal that you purchased over 10 months ago. Well unless we're talking about not proving out a het or something like that.

My problem with Ed is how he handled this thread or the way he hasn't handled this thread . As often happens here he was given the chance to show the world what kind of person he is and he did just that and set some kind of record in the process. I can't think of anyone else who without posting more than one response in their bad guy thread has made such a ruin of their reputation.

Seems to me that he thought he'd try and avoid the downfall of so many bad guys IE they get on here get worked up by a few members here and bang we all see what scum they really are. Ed managed to do that with really only two post one here and one in the Mod forum that is now added to this thread.


One other thing that bothers me about this thread and we seen thrown out all the time is the Money card IE that the person in question is some money grubbing jerk who is only out for the bucks. Come on folks we all put a $ sign on our animals they have a monetary value and if there were not people out there doing this as a business then there wouldn't be the animals we see and own or places like this. Yeah I know that I'll hear the well they care more about the bucks than the animals, well you can say that all you want but you don't know that.. Randy
 
ravensgait said:
One other thing that bothers me about this thread and we seen thrown out all the time is the Money card IE that the person in question is some money grubbing jerk who is only out for the bucks. Come on folks we all put a $ sign on our animals they have a monetary value and if there were not people out there doing this as a business then there wouldn't be the animals we see and own or places like this. Yeah I know that I'll hear the well they care more about the bucks than the animals, well you can say that all you want but you don't know that.. Randy
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Personally, I think there is a world of difference between "placing a $ value on an animal" and being a "money grubbing jerk only out for the bucks." Of course people place a dollar value on their animals. Some actually earn their living doing so and some just bring in enough dollars to support "the habit". ;)

The distinction here is how much respect does the person give the animals BEYOND their monetary value? AND...how much respect does he/she give to their customers and to the community at large?

When it becomes obvious that Ed Clark places far more weight on how much money he can make from these animals, over their own well being and over the simple integrity of running an honorable business....then it is quite fair to call him a "money grubbing jerk only out for the bucks."
 
ravensgait said:
One other thing that bothers me about this thread and we seen thrown out all the time is the Money card IE that the person in question is some money grubbing jerk who is only out for the bucks. Come on folks we all put a $ sign on our animals they have a monetary value and if there were not people out there doing this as a business then there wouldn't be the animals we see and own or places like this. Yeah I know that I'll hear the well they care more about the bucks than the animals, well you can say that all you want but you don't know that.. Randy
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I disagree with you. Maybe we all do put a value on our animals. But I think those values are different depending on the animal (example: I have a normal female boa that wouldn't sell for any price in the world. I may give her away to a good home---only if something terrible happens---but I would never sell her. And you better believe if she got sick I'd want her new owner to come to come to me with any questions!).

I think this thread is about a breeder standing behind his business and his animals. While the primary focus of this business is the animal itself, the other huge factor is customer service. If you do not or will not treat your customers right, you shouldn't do business. Simple as that.

It's a fine line to tread. Do you deal with everyone that comes back after five years wanting a refund because the snake you sold them died? Maybe you do... maybe, even after five years, after you've proven that it was nothing you did and nothing they did (and I'm not saying roll over and let everyone get a free snake out of you... get it PROVEN or work something out if it can't be proven) maybe you stand behind your business and your animals and you make it right. And then no one---with a brain between their shoulders anyway---can say you weren't anything less than admirable... and that you're an awesome person to work with.

I think Emily did right. She was attempting to work with Ed, to get his help on an issue that really bothered her. Had he stood up, stood behind his business and attempted to work with her---thereby providing excellent customer service---this thread never would have started. He might even have gotten a good guy thread... who knows?
 
ravensgait said:
Lawrence, I don't think most have anything to apologize for.. I for one still think it's pretty lame to start a BOI thread about an animal that you purchased over 10 months ago. Well unless we're talking about not proving out a het or something like that.
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Why is that? It's pretty obvious that Ed sold her WC or CH snakes with parasites that he claimed were clean CBB holdbacks. What difference does it make if it takes 10 days or 10 months for the parasite effects to show up? Sure, you can claim that there is a chance that Ed's snakes were infected with the parasites from other sources during that time, but one could also make the claim that a het didn't prove out after one or two breedings because of bad luck. Would that remote chance be enough to not post on the BOI?

Emily did the right thing by posting this issue about Ed on the BOI, not only to expose Ed for the lying thief that he is but also to warn Ed's other customers to get their snakes checked out.
 
After learning about parasite transmission on this thread, I think many people's doubts were well-founded. They didn't know Emily, they didn't know her practices. She proved more than willing to answer their questions and that she took excellent care of her animals.

Sadly, the one person that DOES need to apologize---for calling her a liar when she is not---is the one person that will not and will never.
 
Hey Ed, in the mod forum you stated that you just tested some breeder females right after this thread started, where is the post with negative results you said they came back with?


Did you really test any animals or was that made up?
 
MirandaTwilight said:
The other day I commented on a female crested gecko he had for sale in the Fauna trade section. The ad stated that she was a virgin, and then after the posted photos, went on to say that she was healthy and producing plenty of fertile eggs. When I asked him which it was, the advertisement went missing soon after. :shrug01:

He can't even remember which animals he's selling in the classifieds, so how can he be expected to remember what he sold to Emily?
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Was the ad posted by Ed Clark?
 
Randy, I get your point about the money issue, I really do. For me it's not about making these snakes into kissy face pets and forgetting that for some they are a business. It's about how that money affects some people. Much as a puppy mill owner cares very little for the dogs and the people that buy these dogs that end up facing massive health issues, so does the flipper of snakes care for the snakes and who he/she sells to. It's one thing to bring in snakes and re-sell them, I've no problem with that as long as it's done in an upfront, businesslike and professional manner.

It's quite another to misrepresent your stock (not saying Ed did, that has not been proven at this point), to ship out snakes covered in mites (which has been proven he did) and to be forced to admit you do not follow even the simplest of quarantine procedures when you keep both captive and import stock (another of Ed's problems). When quick cash becomes more important than your own good name, then money is your driving force and this is what ends up happening.
 
That crested gecko ad was posted by Ed. In the first post he stated that she was a virgin female, ready to breed. One month later he posted an update, stating that she was producing fertile eggs. For this to even be remotely possible he would had to have introduced her to a male immediately after his first post where he stated that she was a virgin. It generally takes a minimum of one month after being introduced to a male for a female to become gravid and lay her first clutch but most of the time (especially with a first time female) it takes longer (anywhere from 2-3 months) and often times a female's first clutch is infertile.

I'm not saying that it is impossible that this female could have laid one clutch of fertile eggs in only one month's time, just that it would seem odd to state that a gecko is a virgin and then pair her up immediately after posting the ad (if the gecko was actually a virgin in the first place).
 
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