Bad Guy Heronboy, Jereme James, America's Finest Balls

[Magic]

Hmmm.
This is a copy/paste from that link:

Man faces jail for smuggling iguanas in fake leg




Fri Apr 11, 4:46 PM ET

A Californian man faces jail after being convicted of smuggling stolen rare iguanas into the United States inside his prosthetic leg, justice officials said Friday.

Jereme James, 34, was convicted on two counts of smuggling and possessing endangered animals and is due to be sentenced on July 14, a statement from the US Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles said.

Prosecutors said James stole three baby Fiji Island banded iguanas from an ecological preserve while on a trip to the South Pacific islands in 2002 and smuggled them by concealing them in the compartment of a prosthetic leg.

The iguanas are threatened with extinction because of habitat loss and are considered an endangered species.



Copyright © 2008 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved.

Posted by Frank - April 11, 2008

Update from Frank, April 14, 2008. An article from Reuters indicates that James was acquitted on the smuggling charge but was convicted for illegally possessing endangered animals.

 

[LauraB]

From: jereme james
Date: Wed, Oct 02, 2013 9:34 pm
To: John Woolard Reptiles

... "After thought and hearing your concerns on the general wellbeing of the animals. I would prefer the animals sent back to me so I can quarantine them, feed them and make sure there in the same condition as they were on 9-23-2013. I assume this should take no more than two weeks at which point I would send them back to you"


From: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, Oct 03, 2013 11:12 am
To: "jereme james"

... "As I expressed to you yesterday, Jereme, my main concern now is that the snakes are, for lack of better terms, tainted. I got advice from a couple of people, including a veterinarian, and the conclusion that I've come to is that I would like to have the snakes shipped to you and request a refund."


From: jereme james
Date: Fri, Oct 04, 2013 1:18 pm
To: John Woolard Reptiles

... I am up for ideas and suggested and have came up with the following suggestions.

1) I keep, feed, and care for the animals until you feel comfortable receiving them and or I report that they are in a proper health condition.
2) I keep feed, and care for the animals until I feel that there safe and clean at which point I sell them. All monies collected up to original purchase price will be returned to you upon collection minus new shipping cost.
3) The animals are shipped to you directly from the animal rescue. If this option is chosen I cannot offer my guarantee on the animals condition.

Jereme, YOU are the one who preferred the snakes be shipped back to you from the rescue. When John replied to your email the very next day requesting a refund, you came up with his "options" ... even then going so far as to tell John that if he accepts the snakes from the rescue YOU can't guarantee their condition!

Why then would you expect John to accept delivery directly from the rescue? Why would you use that as your excuse for being "angry"?
Sorry, that just doesn't cut it. In the same scenario, you would do exactly the same, I betcha.

I didn’t fail to do anything as a business, other than to meet his unreasonable request (as I see it).

What unreasonable request? For a refund, you mean? For snakes he paid for but never received? For snakes recovered from a rescue that you yourself didn't even properly quarantine before auctioning off even after you offered to resell? Freakin' hogwash.

I am not going to keep someone’s snakes AND their money, that is ridiculous!

As ridiculous as you may think it is, that is exactly what you have done. And it is illegal.

Since $4500. really won't substantially impact your life, then refunding John really won't impact your life either ... except to perhaps save face and avoid a potential law suit.

The court of public opinion doesn't appear to be in your favor. I realize you really do not care about that; your ego speaks for itself.

However, what do you suppose a court of law would vote?

 

[treeboa]

All other things aside, the snakes are sold to someone else, right? The only thing to do is give a refund. Seems black and white to me!

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

It's time for legal action only... Dude's already a confirmed _____.

 

[Helenthereef]

Hmmm.
This is a copy/paste from that link:

Man faces jail for smuggling iguanas in fake leg

I'm in Fiji, we get this fairly regularly, but first time I've heard of it being in a false leg..... socks yes, legs no!

 

[LauraB]

However, what do you suppose a court of law would vote?

Especially given what Keri has posted? Using a prosthetic leg to smuggle illegal animals? Convicted for illegally possessing endangered animals?

Dayum!

Yeah, you're righteous and honest. Got nuthin' but the animals best interest at heart, eh?

Excellent digging, Keri

Time to refund ...

 

[Charlie Redmon]

Jereme your words here are looking the same as the do over at bush league, you care nothing for your customers and making things right and by your own words, you've only offered any kind of course of action for this to be resolved where "you win". Right now nobody is winning, you're showing yourself to be a liar that will spin words continually which makes you nothing but a loser for anyone who see's through your smoke screen, and John is losing out on 4500$.

You say you offered to keep the animals in quarantine to be sure they were still healthy, I don't know of anyone who would think that two weeks is sufficiently long enough to be sure that these animals considering the trip that they had been through.

You also have trouble telling the truth it seems when it comes to how long the snakes were at the rescue facility in arkansas, at one point you lay out a time line where they were there for 5+ days, another time you've claimed they were there for what was it, less than 48 hours?

There was also absolutely no disclosure to bidders when the animals were put up for auction of what the animals had been through either before or after from you. Other people had to let them know so they would be aware of what had happened so they could be extra cautious with quarantining them from their collections. You've claimed at one point it sounded like, that one of the animals up for auction was not one of them shipped to John, but another of the same genetic makeup. This after you saying that those animals were going to be put up for auction, only you really know which animal was shipped for sure, although your word on that or anything else by now isn't really worth much when it comes to telling the truth.

Speaking of quarantining, had the animals been shipped and delivered on time, they would have arrived in plenty of time to be quarantined for 2-3 months before being introduced to any animals of Johns and attempted to breed. For bringing in new animals from someone else's collection who you believe to be safe and healthy, I don't think most people would have an issue for that time period. For animals going through a rescue and on the journey like they did, personally I feel like it should be double that amount of time, definitely not the two weeks (or less) that you suggested. After seeing how short a time you feel needed to make sure animals coming in are safe, I doubt many people will consider animals from you to fall into that 2-3 month quarantine time being adequate anyways.

I realize that before this you had a decent number of good transactions and people believed you were someone decent to do business with. It's easy to be a good guy when nothing is going wrong, it's when problems arise that a lot of peoples true character shows up and in that right now, your true character is nothing but a thief who thinks that's okay as long as in some way you can twist it around in your mind that "you win". Damon Heynen was considered a good guy by a few people also for awhile, as was Bobby Hill at one time.

One other lie of yours was in your twisted way of "I win" was that when you said if John didn't accept his animals in less than two weeks that you would donate both of them to a USARK auction so that the money that came in from them would benefit everyone in the hobby...I would ask you to tell everyone where they really went, although you seem to have trouble at times with this little thing called "the truth"...they didn't go to USARK, they went to an auction for Forever Wild Animal Sanctuary, are you going to tell us that FedEx sent them to the wrong auction also?

Bottom line is John sent you 4500$ and never saw a thing for it other than attempts from you into bullying him into taking whatever options of resolution you felt like, even after you claimed that you would settle up with him and make sure he was happy and that you would make it right. We're still all waiting on you to "make it right".

 

[Damage Inc.]

Look, the past can't be changed, what's done is done but we can effect the future. This whole bad ordeal can still be salvaged if a refund would just be provided since John never took possession of the snakes. It's not only the ethical thing to do but it's also the right thing to do.
Plus you did say"I am not hurting for money; I didn’t “spend his money before he got his snakes”. I am not implying $4,500.00 isn’t a good chunk of change, as it is! But I can absorb $4,500.00 without it changing my life in a substantial way.

It is the difficult times that reveal one's true character.

 

[treeboa]

I might add legal thing to do too. Keeping the money and not delivering anything is theft and the amount makes it a felony in any state.

 

[Robert Walker]

Jeremy, are you this same person?

Hmmm.
This is a copy/paste from that link:

Man faces jail for smuggling iguanas in fake leg




Fri Apr 11, 4:46 PM ET

A Californian man faces jail after being convicted of smuggling stolen rare iguanas into the United States inside his prosthetic leg, justice officials said Friday.

Jereme James, 34, was convicted on two counts of smuggling and possessing endangered animals and is due to be sentenced on July 14, a statement from the US Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles said.

Prosecutors said James stole three baby Fiji Island banded iguanas from an ecological preserve while on a trip to the South Pacific islands in 2002 and smuggled them by concealing them in the compartment of a prosthetic leg.

The iguanas are threatened with extinction because of habitat loss and are considered an endangered species.



Copyright © 2008 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved.

Posted by Frank - April 11, 2008

Update from Frank, April 14, 2008. An article from Reuters indicates that James was acquitted on the smuggling charge but was convicted for illegally possessing endangered animals.

 

[LauraB]

Robert, I don't believe Jereme will willingly post that he is indeed the individual who was acquitted of smuggling endangered iguanas in his hollowed-out prosthetic leg, but was convicted of concealing and possessing the endangered species.

Dude took a vacation to Fiji, stole iguana hatchlings from a sanctuary, concealed them in his hollowed-out prosthetic and brought them back to the states to sell, according to court documents.

Jereme, you got 5 years probation and community service back in 2008 ... are you officially off probation?

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

Wow, this is crazy to read. I did business with Jereme this year. He was great to work with and I was happy with the snake I received.

Obviously that doesn't absolve him of this refund issue or the alleged case of the smuggled iguanas. It's just strange that he was great and professional with me, and now this happens.

 

[Damage Inc.]

Wow, this is crazy to read. I did business with Jereme this year. He was great to work with and I was happy with the snake I received.

Obviously that doesn't absolve him of this refund issue or the alleged case of the smuggled iguanas. It's just strange that he was great and professional with me, and now this happens.

Sounds like you were one of the luck ones. Count your blessings.

 

[Robert Walker]

Robert, I don't believe Jereme will willingly post that he is indeed the individual who was acquitted of smuggling endangered iguanas in his hollowed-out prosthetic leg, but was convicted of concealing and possessing the endangered species.

Laura - I'm not sure "how" he will respond, but at least the direct question was asked, giving him the opportunity to confirm or deny. Over to him now. He was on this thread earlier this morning, surely if it is not him, he would want his name cleared asap.

 

[treeboa]

Sounds like you were one of the luck ones. Count your blessings.

I don't know if I would say that. He does have a lot of good guy posts in the last couple years since getting into BP's. I still think despite Jeremy's bravado the issue IS the $4500. I think it would have never gotten this far if we were talking $450. That's a good chunk of change for any small businessman. Not an excuse but definitely a fact of life.

 

[winecountryconstrictors]

The scarey thing is I've almost bought from this guy before. John is one of the best in the industry and it sucks to see this. It reflects on the hobby as a whole. This is a bunch of crap and I for sure would take him to small claims. All excuses aside you have the snakes and the money and John is left with a 4500 dollar dent in his bank account. This is enough money to hurt someone's lively hood. I hope the right thing is done and John gets a refund. However, I will never deal with this guy and will for sure pass on the word to all my fellow snake breeders as well. It's just to small of a circle to steal from people and try to say its ok. You'll lose way more than 4500 bucks in the long run with All the lost business. Good luck John

 

[treeboa]

The scarey thing is I've almost bought from this guy before. John is one of the best in the industry and it sucks to see this. It reflects on the hobby as a whole. This is a bunch of crap and I for sure would take him to small claims. All excuses aside you have the snakes and the money and John is left with a 4500 dollar dent in his bank account. This is enough money to hurt someone's lively hood. I hope the right thing is done and John gets a refund. However, I will never deal with this guy and will for sure pass on the word to all my fellow snake breeders as well. It's just to small of a circle to steal from people and try to say its ok. You'll lose way more than 4500 bucks in the long run with All the lost business. Good luck John

All true except Jeremy doesn't even have the snakes John ordered anymore. He auctioned them off. The ONLY solution at this point is a refund. Taking money and not giving anything in return is theft. At $4500 you're talking grand theft or larceny whatever the particular state calls it. A FELONY. I would be on the phone to the police in Jeremy's area if he refuses to refund.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

I don't know if I would say that. He does have a lot of good guy posts in the last couple years since getting into BP's. I still think despite Jeremy's bravado the issue IS the $4500. I think it would have never gotten this far if we were talking $450. That's a good chunk of change for any small businessman. Not an excuse but definitely a fact of life.

My perspective aligns well with yours. A refund is due. Elsewise, this is surely theft as it has been presented to the audience.

 

[winecountryconstrictors]

It's crazy as well because the proof and everything is posted within this forum and all the emails. He even posted what he did with the animals. I truly don't get it.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

It's crazy as well because the proof and everything is posted within this forum and all the emails. He even posted what he did with the animals. I truly don't get it.

Ego distortion field? Proximity bias? He should probably just issue the refund and put this behind him (and handle this sort of thing differently moving forward).