High End Herps (Inquiry)

[varnyard]

David, I think you took us down the river called (please cry for me). But you did ramble great, I might add without answering the questions asked of you. If your real name is not David as many here believe. Then you left a long road of scamming in your past. It is fine to start off great without your wicked ways in your past, but it is required to fix them problems first.

If you are David as you say, then post this proof. I must say it is too odd you have no past at all. You've got to admit, if someone came to you for one of them fine jobs you have been offering and had no past, would you trust what they say without proof? The same is true here; you must show proof of these so-called facts.

The BOI is one of the best tools we have on the net. It is because we are not so fast to get the wool pulled over our eyes. The burden of proof is not on us, but in fact on you. It is your business that will reap from the efforts of this board. This will be from you actions based on you questionable actions. Therefore, it would be best for you to come forward with the answers to the questions asked of you.

Is this board hard? You bet!! Do we require honesty? You bet, 100% of the time. Does this forum work for shutting down scammers, you bet.

David, you must be forthright in your actions on this thread. This would never have gone this far if you would have came forth with the proof asked of you. IMO, I cannot see letting this go this far unless you lack in the burden of proof.

It is your business; in so saying, does the burden of proof lie with you? IMO, I think it would be 100%. The actions of this board have and will continue to stop scammers. If you wish your name and business to be pitted with such, then by all means don't reply. It is your choice and 100%, it is totally up to you.

But, IMO, it would be best to reply to the questions asked of you. At this point it does not look good to anyone on the outside looking in. You might want to go back and reread this thread; I cannot see how you would think at this point that anyone reading this would desire a deal with you. JMHO.
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[crotalusadamanteus]

Personally, after trying to sort through this thing, I have to say I don't see proof of anything. I see a lot of suspicions, and things that make you raise an eyeball and backtrack to try and find what you missed, but in the end, you don't find it. And like David mentioned, a lot of different angles where tried.

Maybe I'm just blind, or skipped over one too many words in this fast growing thread, but I just don't see any PROOF that David is anyone other than who he says he is. I can respect gut feelings, I follow mine all the time, but that's about all I'm gathering, is that a bunch of you have a gut feeling, and ain't about to let go of it.

I don't feel it yet. I can't tell one way or the other. I'm still neutral here. Never done business with HEH, and I never done business, or read anything about Damon or Damien, or whatever, before the last few days. All i know is what's in this thread. Doesn't seem like a whole lot to me.

So, besides the gut feelings, and suspicions, and coincidences, is there any other proof? To me he pretty much emphatically denies it in his post above to if he's the other guy or not........

And the most absurd accusation of all, that I am somebody else. This one is a doozy.

Sounds like an answer of "NO" to me. Although not direct.
I'm not trying to defend HEH, but I can see why he wouldn't feel the need to answer up to those kind of accusations. Especially if he is who he says he is. If some of you think He's someone else, offer up your proof, and remove the doubt. More than one person has already spoken in his defense.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I almost agree with the guy for not responding. He's only obligated to defend himself if you can prove he's other than himself IMO.
I must be missing something, but I ain't about to go and read it all again. I vote to keep my vote for now.


Rick

 

[chondrogal]

And the most absurd accusation of all, that I am somebody else. This one is a doozy.
David Beauchemin

I reread "David's" last post multiple times to make sure I didn't miss something..... I noted that he called the accusations absurd, but never specifically denied them, not anywhere.

The way I read that post is that "David" is asking us to judge him based only on his most recent incarnation as HEH and to pretend he doesn't have a questionable past.

 

[Lizardeaux]

This thread has completely nothing to do with me and I don't know anyone that has posted, but I have a question.
Isn't the whole idea of the BOI to weed out breeders and people that are selling bad animals OR ripping people off? Well I'm confused........
Who cares if this man is someone else, Right now he is "David" and seems to be producing and selling beautiful animals. No one has disputed this fact, so far everyone who has bought from or talked to him has had nothing but good things to say. (Including the person who started the thread)
So why ruin his business and cause him to not be able to take care of his family because you think he is someone else.
Also I have seen a few snide remarks about Louisiana and cajun's in this thread. Watch it, Louisiana is a good place, and doesn't deserve to be looked down on.
And remember, what goes around comes around. You may one day find yourself on the bad end of a thread on the BOI!

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

And if I asked you to prove to me by posting your drivers license, that you are Cathy Maynard, without proving that you did something wrong, would you feel obligated to do so?

 

[KelliH]

And if I asked you to prove to me by posting your drivers license, that you are Cathy Maynard, without proving that you did something wrong, would you feel obligated to do so?

If I were being accused of the type of things "David" is, I would be happy to post my drivers license to prove my identity. It would be my pleasure to thumb my nose at all of you. So why the hell won't he post proof that he is who he says he is and be done with it?

 

[varnyard]

This is fine guys, but there are a few facts here that do not add up.

First, He is said to have a huge lot of high-end animals, worth major $$$. But he has no reputation anywhere on the web. I might add, has no past in reptiles that we can find. It looks like he stepped out of (Never land) with this business.

Second, If he is not David and is the suspect in question, he has a past that needs to be fixed first. If he is this other guy, then he needs to right his wrongs before going into this hobby again.

Third, He refuses to set the record straight buy posting a little proof.

IMO, if it looks like fish, smells like fish and tastes like fish, then it must be fish.

 

[Jim O]

And if I asked you to prove to me by posting your drivers license, that you are Cathy Maynard, without proving that you did something wrong, would you feel obligated to do so?

Rick,

If it were me and it would clear up the accusations here, I would in a heartbeat. Wouldn't think twice. I would black out most of the license number and street address, but I would provide an original copy to one member to confidentially verify with DMV if needed.

In answer to Cindy's question of "Who cares if this man is someone else", perhaps you should peruse the links posted earlier in this thread to find out Damon's history and you would not have to ask this question.

By his own words, "David" has lied about brokering animals and having a closed collection. He bills himself as a corporation but wants money orders made out to his "wife" personally (I know from my experience that my back frowns on that). He claims a long history as HEH but no one remembers him despite his claim of many hundreds of satisfied customers over the years. And he came along when Damon disappeared, having a similar "collection". If I were him I would answer the simple questions regarding my identity and my business entity. But every time he posts he avoids giving specific answers to those simple questions. Evasiveness is something that liars and manipulators are good at. If "David" has nothing to hide why post a novel when two sentences would do?

 

[Chameleon Company]

Rich,

And if I asked you to prove to me by posting your drivers license, that you are Cathy Maynard, without proving that you did something wrong, would you feel obligated to do so?

I would agree ! BUT Cathy is not accused of being any other entity, much less one who has scammed, stolen, conveyed threats, and has warrants out for her arrest. Even then, one would expect the accusers to come forward with evidence. As mentioned long ago in the thread, circumstantial evidence is valid in presenting to a jury, and has sent people to their death. I realize that the threshold may not have been reached for you. But short of the police going to David's door, with a mugshot of Damon in hand, all you are going to get here is circumstantial evidence. It has been presented, and not been addressed by David. You can lead a horse to water .......

 

[BoaMan Jon]

Personally, after trying to sort through this thing, I have to say I don't see proof of anything. I see a lot of suspicions, and things that make you raise an eyeball and backtrack to try and find what you missed, but in the end, you don't find it. And like David mentioned, a lot of different angles where tried.

Maybe I'm just blind, or skipped over one too many words in this fast growing thread, but I just don't see any PROOF that David is anyone other than who he says he is. I can respect gut feelings, I follow mine all the time, but that's about all I'm gathering, is that a bunch of you have a gut feeling, and ain't about to let go of it.

I don't feel it yet. I can't tell one way or the other. I'm still neutral here. Never done business with HEH, and I never done business, or read anything about Damon or Damien, or whatever, before the last few days. All i know is what's in this thread. Doesn't seem like a whole lot to me.

So, besides the gut feelings, and suspicions, and coincidences, is there any other proof? To me he pretty much emphatically denies it in his post above to if he's the other guy or not........



Sounds like an answer of "NO" to me. Although not direct.
I'm not trying to defend HEH, but I can see why he wouldn't feel the need to answer up to those kind of accusations. Especially if he is who he says he is. If some of you think He's someone else, offer up your proof, and remove the doubt. More than one person has already spoken in his defense.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I almost agree with the guy for not responding. He's only obligated to defend himself if you can prove he's other than himself IMO.
I must be missing something, but I ain't about to go and read it all again. I vote to keep my vote for now.


Rick

Unfortunately for David, I believe that he's going to have to belly up to proving his identity, if he wants to truly put the speculation to rest. Unfortunately I think it's the only way you can make this go away, and I think in the long run it may be best for you.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Mmmmmmmmmm

Boaman Jon writes:
Unfortunately for David, I believe that he's going to have to belly up to proving his identity, if he wants to truly put the speculation to rest. Unfortunately I think it's the only way you can make this go away, and I think in the long run it may be best for you.

And IF he is Damon, what then does he do ?

 

[HerpVenue]

Now, I don't know who you are, who Adrian is, or who this Brian Smith or Damon Smith is. Never did any business with any of you. For you to come here publicly and imply that I am somehow connected with any of them because of a picture of a similar or identical snake, is absurd. It goes beyond absurd.

David Beauchemin

Okay never did business with Damon.

By that same token, if I post pictures of some of my surinames then I must be Adam from Chicago. Or if I post pictures of a couple of my afrocks then I must be John from South Carolina. And I could go on and on and on.

David Beauchemin

Okay just because you post a picture of a snake that use to belong to someone......does not make you that someone.


Okay you are not damon.
You have not done business with damon.
But you do have his animals....

Does that mean you stole it.

End this. Post a copy of your driver's license. Post a copy of your business license.

 

[Wilomn]

Unfortunately for David, I believe that he's going to have to belly up to proving his identity, if he wants to truly put the speculation to rest. Unfortunately I think it's the only way you can make this go away, and I think in the long run it may be best for you.

That's the goal.

There are enough people here who see enough of a connection that they are willing to speak up and say they think something is wrong.

THEY have put themselves on the line by voicing their opinions.

NOW it's time for someone, brian/damon/david/josh/hannibal, to step up and say no I'm NOT, not dance AROUND that simple statement, or yes I am.

The thing is, if he cares about his reputation, about whether or not a lot of folks will speak well or ill of him, he NEEDS to prove that he is NOT brain/damon/josh/hannibal and is, in fact, david.

I think he's lying. I think he is brian/damon/josh/hannibal. I think he is the same scumbag that shot his supposed best friend. I think he is the same guy who threatened to kill me, hurt me, ruin me and not JUST me, but several other members as well.

I have stepped up and said, along with several others, that I don't think there IS any david, that I can't positively prove it, but that this is what I think is true.

Now, based on my reputation, as well as the reputations of the others who have also stated this simple fact, taking personalities out of the equation, do you REALLY think all of us are wrong? It's possible. If it turns out that way, I don't think anyone who has said that there is NO david would have any problem appologizing but for now, the burden of proff is on him.

You've got some well respected people here SERIOUSLY doubting everything this guy says. IF you've believed them in the past, why doubt now?

 

[varnyard]

And IF he is Damon, what then does he do ?

Well in that case he would have a few choices.

One; This would be to buck up with the truth. Right his wrongs and save any reputation he might have.

two; To craw back under a rock and hope it all goes away.

Third; Use yet another name and get busted yet again by the Fauna hounds. We know what they are like when the smell that bone.

Somehow I think if it is him (Damon) he will choose one of the last two.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Answer: In hindsight, he should have better covered his tracks, but its too late for that. If he is Damon, he does exactly as David is doing. Throw out as many red herrings as you can, deny deny deny. But no one to corroborate anything that would end this damage to his reputation. Not one ounce of defense.

 

[varnyard]

We know what they are like when they smell that bone.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I agree Bobby. If he has a questionable past, he needs to atone. But so far, NOBODY has proved he is this other guy. This is the point I'm making. i know we got some pretty good detectives around here when it comes to obtainable records. Why don't they see if he has a DL in his state, under his name? If he satisfied the state, it should do here. Right?

Now if no records are obtainable for said name, like maybe doesn't exist, than it seems that would ad some weight. No need to hide who you are if you are doing honest business. Right?

But Just because You, or I would gladly present our proof, Doesn't mean other feel the same. I can easily see where some would rather give you the bird, and tell you to prove they aren't who they say they are.


Rick

 

[Chameleon Company]

Rich,
Its buried in the thread, but no one can find anything about the existence of one David Beauchemin in Louisiana. His significant other, yes. Every possible avenue of exculpatory evidence comes up blank. He doesn't exist, except here in cyber-world, cause he says so. Again, let me remind you that the legal standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt", not "proof". "Proof" is what should exist if he is not Damon.

 

[chondrogal]

Yes, I would be bummed that it came to that, but I would post links to pics of me and give out my registered business name and current phone number and business license from the city in which issued. Whatever it took, I would defend my name, especially if it was as easy as all that.

NOW.... if David really is Damon, I would say that in his own way he has tried very hard to start over again in a good way. My only contact with him awhile ago was very positive. It did not result in any transaction, but if he had something of real interst to me I might very well have chosen to make a purchase.

FWIW, I'm still on the fence, I'd just like to see some solid proof from either side.

 

[SPJ]

I can't say if David is Damon or anyone else.

All I can say is what I said earlier in this thread. I got a gut feeling something was not right when I attempted to make a deal with David for a ceylonese python.

If he is David, post the ID and put this to rest. Too many people are having serious doubts that you are who you say you are. This is your chance to quiet the crowd.