How do I fix this?

[Leighanne]

Yeah you need samples from at least one and then I'd treat them all. I already tried looking it up myself but somethings a Vet should do. Its a job for everyone. When you take one of them to the Vet he will hold them and look them over physically. When I went before we got started with my Ball he asked if she was calm or fiesty and or bitey. Then they check the eyes to see if they look normal. He will check for shed skin, check his butt, how active he is or if hes weak.

Alot of this depends on YOU to though if not even more. YOU are the one that has to provide all the information like feeding records, how you've observed him and what you've been doing with him and how you keep him. The Vet will defiantly recommend as they have and suggest a bigger tank. He can not scream at you as we do because of Laws but he can still give the disappointed look and lecture. That depends on you to.

My Vet knew I wasn't doing perfect by Lickity but he could tell I cared for her immensely and just didn't know because she was my first Ball but he could see I wanted to do better. The Vet is the ultimate here above us all. Us Herpers just like to play in any field we can.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

1) If you couldn't house them properly, you shouldn't have purchased them.

2) Since all the the geckos in that tank were "contaminated" with the sickly one(s), all will need tested. Simply because you have access to a microscope does not mean you are qualified to diagnose a parasite. At the minimum, two tests will be done on the fecal sample(s). One being a general float test, the other an acid-fast test (which checks for Crypto). With Crypto specifically, it takes three tests for the gecko(s) in question to be considered "clean."
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Float Test: The feces is floated in a solution called fecalsol (a sugar solution) for 10 - 20 minutes, the feces solution is then put on a microscope slide and checked under the microscope for eggs that are shed by intestinal parasites.

Acid-Fast Test: The specimen is then sent to a microbiology laboratory for processing. A small amount of the specimen is placed on a microscope slide. A dye is placed on the slide and heated. The cells retain the dye. The slide is then washed with an acid solution, and a counter-stain is applied. The bacteria that retain the first dye are acid-fast because they resist the acid wash. Bacteria that wash free of the first dye and take the counterstain are nonacid-fast.

 

[Leighanne]

There you go Xelas, she explained that to a T. That was pretty darn good TripleMoons, pretty educational. I thought I could try the same thing but its a bit more difficult then thought. I realize we play Vet at home but we just aren't qualified. Even TripleMoons and Cat and HHMoore, everybody still has to go to the Vet. All I can say is Thank God mine are healthy. I am sorry for you about your bad luck with the purchases of all these babies. Stories like this give me the shivers.

 

[perefalcon]

OMG, 7 in a 40 would even be more than pushing the limit....I've got 5 adult females in a 55 gallon long and I would never even think about adding 1 more in there. You seriously need to reevaluate on keeping any kind of animal...you don't seem to have any knowledge about them what so ever!!!!

 

[droogievesch]

OMG, 7 in a 40 would even be more than pushing the limit....I've got 5 adult females in a 55 gallon long and I would never even think about adding 1 more in there. You seriously need to reevaluate on keeping any kind of animal...you don't seem to have any knowledge about them what so ever!!!!

I believe he said they were not adults. I'm glad he is here asking for help so that he can better his husbandry and care. Everyone makes mistakes and some of us even get in a little over our heads without meaning to.

With as many geckos as you have, have you considered getting a rack?

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

I'm glad he is here asking for help so that he can better his husbandry and care. Everyone makes mistakes and some of us even get in a little over our heads without meaning to.

Jenna, all you have to do is do a search for posts made by Xelas and you will see that advise given to him is most likely fruitless. Sorry, but in my opinion some people should not be allowed to have pets. This is borderline animal cruely, and makes me heartsick.

 

[Xelas]

1) If you couldn't house them properly, you shouldn't have purchased them.

2) Since all the the geckos in that tank were "contaminated" with the sickly one(s), all will need tested. Simply because you have access to a microscope does not mean you are qualified to diagnose a parasite. At the minimum, two tests will be done on the fecal sample(s). One being a general float test, the other an acid-fast test (which checks for Crypto). With Crypto specifically, it takes three tests for the gecko(s) in question to be considered "clean."
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Float Test: The feces is floated in a solution called fecalsol (a sugar solution) for 10 - 20 minutes, the feces solution is then put on a microscope slide and checked under the microscope for eggs that are shed by intestinal parasites.

Acid-Fast Test: The specimen is then sent to a microbiology laboratory for processing. A small amount of the specimen is placed on a microscope slide. A dye is placed on the slide and heated. The cells retain the dye. The slide is then washed with an acid solution, and a counter-stain is applied. The bacteria that retain the first dye are acid-fast because they resist the acid wash. Bacteria that wash free of the first dye and take the counterstain are nonacid-fast.

Leighanne and TripleMoons, thx for explaining this all, I had no idea it was like that. I will admit, I am new to all this and I'm glad at least some people will answer an honest question without reverting back to past posts or conversations, but then again, an act of kindness (like TRYING to save a gecko) doesn't outweigh threads of debate on differences of opinions.

TripleMoons, I can house them properly, just not right at this point in time. I am getting the 40 gallon soon, no later than the end of the week, and I was not going to let a deal slip through my fingers just because I didn't have the proper containment. Now if I didn't have the 10 gallon hospital tank, I wouldn't have bought the babies @ all because mixing them with the adults truly is an accident waiting to happen. And I thought of putting them each into individual shoe boxes (and putting a heat emitter directed toward them all stacked on top of each other), but that just seemed worse than putting them all together in a 10 gallon tank (if you were a lizard, which would YOU prefer, a shoe box or a 10 gallon with 6 of your closest "leopard friends"???).

 

[Xelas]

OMG, 7 in a 40 would even be more than pushing the limit....I've got 5 adult females in a 55 gallon long and I would never even think about adding 1 more in there. You seriously need to reevaluate on keeping any kind of animal...you don't seem to have any knowledge about them what so ever!!!!

Keyword: babies. Babies are much smaller than adults (in case you hadn't noticed). With the death of the sickly blizzard, that makes 6 in a 10 gallon, not 7. So would that mean that YOU need to seriously reevaluate what you say when YOU say it to make sure you don't seem like an idiot when you post something that's already been talked about/posted or are you above the rule of having knowledge on whatever topic you are discussing?

Thanks for the reply though, I know you mean well.

 

[Xelas]

I believe he said they were not adults. I'm glad he is here asking for help so that he can better his husbandry and care. Everyone makes mistakes and some of us even get in a little over our heads without meaning to.

With as many geckos as you have, have you considered getting a rack?

I have considered a rack but not until I move into a bigger place. 2 of the tanks I have were given to me by friends (and so started the collection of geckos), the other 2 I bought for more room, and the 40 gallon I have mentioned I am buying as well. I don't know much about racks, the image I get is of a mouse or rat breeding rack. Do you make your own rack or do you buy it somewhere?

 

[Seamus Haley]

I'm just going to edit this up in red...

Leighanne and TripleMoons, thx for explaining this all, I had no idea it was like that. I will admit, I am new to all this and I'm glad at least some people will answer an honest question without reverting back to past posts Last week was a lifetime ago, or at least, the lifespan of animals around here or conversations lectures about my blatantly ignorant mistakes, ignored because getting it right wasn't as important as getting it fast, but then again, an act of kindness (like TRYING to save a death with legs) doesn't outweigh threads of debate on differences of opinions ignorant neglect is apparantly an "opinion".

TripleMoons, I can't house them properly right now I am getting the 40 gallon which is also inadequate, but everyone ignore that and start coddling soon, no later than the end of the week What's seven days of contact with potentially virulent pathenogens and parasite loads between... "friends", and I was not going to let a deal dead geckos are half off slip through my fingers just because I didn't have the proper containment even though that would logically be the *exact* reason to take a pass on additional purchases, "I can't care for it and don't know my ass from a hole in the ground, but the price was so good!". Now if I didn't have the 10 gallon cross contamination death chamber, I wouldn't have bought the babies @ all because mixing them with the adults truly is an accident waiting to happen starvation, contamination, a disgusting amount of stress and competition is fine, but not using them as feeders.. And I thought of putting them each into individual shoe boxes (and putting a heat emitter directed toward them all stacked on top of each other), but that just seemed worse than putting them all together in a 10 gallon tank (if you were a lizard, which would YOU prefer, a shoe box or a 10 gallon with 6 of your closest "stress inducing, food competing, territorial harem breeding, unsexed, potentially disease ridden violations of natural order and all common sense"???).

Ohyeah, that's much better.

 

[Xelas]

Jenna, all you have to do is do a search for posts made by Xelas and you will see that advise given to him is most likely fruitless. Sorry, but in my opinion some people should not be allowed to have pets. This is borderline animal cruely, and makes me heartsick.

The "advice" in question has not been advice, more like a difference in opinion, as I have stated. I do not wish to go back and forth on things that are thought of to be fact but have no hard evidence or proof of.

I agree with you, there are people who should not be allowed to have pets, people like whoever allowed this/did this to the gecko that died. I bought it because I thought I could save it, because I cared. Now tell me, which would have been more cruel: to leave it, or to take it and try?

 

[Xelas]

I'm just going to edit this up in red...

Leighanne and TripleMoons, thx for explaining this all, I had no idea it was like that. I will admit, I am new to all this and I'm glad at least some people will answer an honest question without reverting back to past posts Last week was a lifetime ago, or at least, the lifespan of animals around here or conversations lectures about my blatantly ignorant mistakes, ignored because getting it right wasn't as important as getting it fast, but then again, an act of kindness (like TRYING to save a death with legs) doesn't outweigh threads of debate on differences of opinions ignorant neglect is apparantly an "opinion".

TripleMoons, I can't house them properly right now I am getting the 40 gallon which is also inadequate, but everyone ignore that and start coddling soon, no later than the end of the week What's seven days of contact with potentially virulent pathenogens and parasite loads between... "friends", and I was not going to let a deal dead geckos are half off slip through my fingers just because I didn't have the proper containment even though that would logically be the *exact* reason to take a pass on additional purchases, "I can't care for it and don't know my ass from a hole in the ground, but the price was so good!". Now if I didn't have the 10 gallon cross contamination death chamber, I wouldn't have bought the babies @ all because mixing them with the adults truly is an accident waiting to happen starvation, contamination, a disgusting amount of stress and competition is fine, but not using them as feeders.. And I thought of putting them each into individual shoe boxes (and putting a heat emitter directed toward them all stacked on top of each other), but that just seemed worse than putting them all together in a 10 gallon tank (if you were a lizard, which would YOU prefer, a shoe box or a 10 gallon with 6 of your closest "stress inducing, food competing, territorial harem breeding, unsexed, potentially disease ridden violations of natural order and all common sense"???).

Ohyeah, that's much better.

Hahaha, Seamus, by far, that is the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum, and I tip my hat to you. It sounds like you and I share the same humor, but not the same leopard gecko ideologies.

That is fine though, you have your way and I have mine.

 

[perefalcon]

With as many geckos as you have, have you considered getting a rack?

did you mean him or me??

I keep the girls together only cause they get along extremely well

And I know that he said that his weren't adults...I'm just saying that I keep 5 adults together in a 55 long and I think that's pushing it...but 7 in a 40, even young ones....that borders on overcrowding a little too much for me

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

Here are the guidelines for what constitutes 'Animal Cruelty" per the ASPCA:

The most common type of animal cruelty is neglect or abandonment - that is, people not providing adequate care for animals in their charge. These types of cases often involve situations where an animal is left without food, water or shelter, or when proper veterinary care was not obtained. In many of these cases, the underlying reason can sometimes be explained by the caretaker’s ignorance. This is why many animal control officers and humane law enforcement officers will first attempt to educate the neglectful caretaker, rather than immediately citing them or arresting them.

While ignorance can be blamed in some of these situations, an additional cause that seems to be a major contributor to neglect and abandonment cases is that the pet owner simply does not care. Even people with only the most basic knowledge of animal care can see that an animal has degenerated to the point where it is only skin and bones.

Many times, animals are purchased as pets, and simply forgotten about. Animals in this situation however do not merely gather dust. They are slowly starved or dehydrated to death, literally bled dry due to parasite infestations, or slowly garroted by their own collars.

Body Condition
Purina developed The Body Condition System to help pet owners (and investigators) judge if their pet's appearance is normal or not.

EMACIATED: Ribs, backbones, pelvic bones, etc. all prominent from a distance. No visible body fat, obvious loss of muscle mass.

VERY THIN: Ribs, backbones, pelvic bones easily visible. No palpable fat. Minimal loss of muscle mass.

THIN: Ribs easily palpated and may be visible with no palpable fat. Top of backbone visible. Pelvic bones becoming prominent. Obvious waist and abdominal tuck.

UNDERWEIGHT: Ribs easily palpable with no visible fat covering. Waist easily noted, viewed from above. Abdominal tuck evident.

IDEAL: Ribs palpable without excess fat covering. Waist observed behind ribs when viewed from above. Abdomen tucked up when viewed from side.

OVERWEIGHT: Ribs palpable with slight excess fat covering. Waist is discernable viewed from above but is not prominent. Abdominal tuck apparent.

HEAVY: Ribs palpable with difficulty, heavy fat cover. Noticeable fat deposits over lumbar area and base of tail. Waist absent or barely visible. Abdominal tuck may be absent.

OBESE: Ribs not palpable under very heavy fat cover, or palpable only with significant pressure. Heavy fat deposits over backbone and base of tail. No waist or abdominal tuck. Obvious abdominal distension may be present.

GROSSLY OBESE: Massive fat deposits on chest, spine, and base of tail. Waist and abdominal tuck absent. Fat deposits on neck and legs. Obvious abdominal distension.

YOU are in violation of the California Animal Cruelty Laws:

State of California PENAL CODE 597.
597. Cruelty to animals.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or Section 599c, every person who maliciously and intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures or wounds a living animal or maliciously and intentionally kills an animal, is guilty of an offence punishable by imprisonment in the state prison or by a fine of not more than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment, or, alternatively, by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by a fine of not more than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](b) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (a) or (c), every person who overdrives, overloads, drives when overloaded, overworks, tortures, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance, drink, or shelter, cruelly beats, mutilates, or cruelly kills any animal, or causes or procures any animal to be so overdriven, overloaded, driven when overloaded, overworked, tortured, tormented, deprived of necessary sustenance, drink, or shelter, or necessary veterinary care, or to be cruelly beaten, mutilated, or cruelly killed; and whoever, having the charge or custody of any animal, either as owner or otherwise, subjects any animal to needless suffering, or inflicts unnecessary cruelty upon the animal, or in any manner abuses any animal, or fails to provide the animal with proper food, drink, or shelter or protection from the weather, or necessary veterinary care, or who drives, rides, or otherwise uses the animal when unfit for labor, is for every such offence, guilty of a crime punishable as a misdemeanoror as a felony or alternatively punishable as a misdemeanor or a felony and by a fine of not more than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000).[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](c) Every person who maliciously and intentionally maims, mutilates or tortures any mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, or fish as described in subdivision (d), is guilty of an offense punishable by imprisonment in the state prison, or by a fine of not more than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and the imprisonment, or, alternatively, by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by a fine of not more than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](d) Subdivision (c) applies to any mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, or fish which is a creature described as follows:[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](1) Endangered species or threatened species as described in Chapter 1.5 (commencing with Section 2050) of Division 3 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]




[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](2) Fully protected birds described in Section 3511 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](3) Fully protected mammals described in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 4700) of Part 3 of Division 4 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](4) Fully protected reptiles and amphibians described in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 5050) of Division 5 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](5) Fully protected fish as described in Section 5515 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]




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[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]This subdivision does not supersede or affect any provisions of law relating to taking of the described species, including, but not limited to, Section 12008 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](e) For the purposes of subdivision (c) each act of malicious and intentional maiming, mutilating, or torturing a separate specimen of a creature described in subdivision (d) is a separate offense. If any person is charged with a violation of subdivision (c), the proceedings shall be subject to Section 12157 of the Fish and Game Code.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](f) Upon the conviction of a person charged with a violation of this section by causing or permitting an act of cruelty, as defined in Section 599b, all animals lawfully seized and impounded with respect to the violation by a peace officer, officer of a humane society, or officer of a pound or animal regulation department of a public agency shall be adjudged by the court to be forfeited and shall thereupon be awarded to the impounding officer for proper disposition. A person convicted of a violation of this section by causing or permitting an act of cruelty as described in Section 599b, shall be liable to the impound officer for all costs of impoundment from the time of seizure to the time of proper disposition.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Mandatory seizure or impoundment shall not apply to animals in properly conducted scientific experiments or investigations performed under the authority of the faculty of a regularly incorporated medical college or university of this state.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]§597a. Transporting animals in a cruel manner.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Whoever carries or causes to be carried in or upon any vehicle or otherwise any domestic animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, or knowingly and willfully authorizes or permits it to be subjected to unnecessary torture, suffering, or cruelty of any kind, is guilty of a misdemeanor; and whenever any such person is taken into custody therefor by any officer, such officer must take charge of such vehicle and its contents, together with the horse or team attached to such vehicle, and deposit the same in some place of custody; and any necessary expense incurred for taking care of and keeping the same, is a lien thereon, to be paid before same can be lawfully recovered; if any such expense, or any part thereof, remains unpaid, it may be recovered, by the person incurring the same, of the owner of such domestic animal, in an action therefore.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]§597l. Pet shops.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](a) It shall be unlawful for any person who operates a pet shop to fail to do all of the following:[/font]​

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[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](1) Maintain the facilities used for the keeping of pet animals in a sanitary condition.[/font]




[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](2) Provide proper heating and ventilation of the facilities used for the keeping of pet animals.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](3) Provide adequate nutrition for, and humane care and treatment of, all pet animals under his care and control.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](4) Take reasonable care to release for sale, trade or adoption only those pet animals which are free of diseases or injuries.[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](5) Provide adequate space appropriate to the size, weight and specie of pet animal.[/font]




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[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](b) As used in this section:[/font]

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](1) "Pet animals" means dogs, cats, monkeys, and other primates, rabbits, birds, guinea pigs, hamsters, mice, snakes, iguanas, turtles and any other species of animal sold or retained for the purpose of being kept as a household pet.[/font]




[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](2) "Pet shop" means every place or premises where pet animals are being kept for the purpose of either wholesale or retail sale. "Pet shop" does not include any place or premises where pet animals are occasionally sold.[/font]




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[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif](c) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 90 days, or by both such fine and imprisonment.[/font]

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[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]§597t. Animals in confinement.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Every person who keeps an animal confined in an enclosed area shall provide it with an adequate exercise area. If the animal is restricted by a leash, rope, or chain, the leash, rope, or chain shall be affixed in such a manner that it will prevent the animal from becoming entangled or injured and will permit the animals's access to adequate shelter, food and water. Violation of this section constitutes a misdemeanor.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]This section shall not apply to an animal which is in transit, in a vehicle, or in immediate control of a person.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]§599a. Arrest warrants for violation of animal statutes.[/font]​

[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]When complaint is made, on oath, to any magistrate authorized to issue warrants in criminal cases, that the complainant believes that any provision of law relating to, or in any way affecting, dumb animals or birds,is being, or is about to be violated in any particular building or place, such magistrate must issue and deliver immediately a warrant directed to any sheriff, constable, police or peace officer or officer of an incorporated association qualified as provided by law, authorizing him to enter and search such building or place, and to arrest any person there presenting violating, or attempting to violate, any law relating to, or in any way affecting, dumb animals or birds, and to bring such person before some court or magistrate of competent jurisdiction, within the city, city and county, or judicial district within which such offense has been committed or attempted, to be dealt with according to law, and such attempt must be held to be in violation of Section 597.​

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[BalloonzForU]

IMO I have never met anyone on these forums as uncaring and as selfish as you are being towards your animals. By law you are responsible to house and care for any animal in your care in a proper manner, which you have time and time again refused to do. You come here back in August claiming to be new to Leos, and ask for information, then bash those that try to explain that fish are not healthy for Leos. You insists that the info that you are given is "unqualified opinions". I'm done with you. I'll be forwarding all your threads onto the proper authorities.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

TripleMoons, I can house them properly, just not right at this point in time. I am getting the 40 gallon soon, no later than the end of the week, and I was not going to let a deal slip through my fingers just because I didn't have the proper containment.

No, you can't. Until you had the larger tank (or purchased individual shoe box sized containers), you are not houseing them properly. That was my point. It's not "I can house them when I get another tank," it's "I can't house them properly until I get another tank." That should have been avoided in the first place by not purchasing them until you had the proper setup.

And I thought of putting them each into individual shoe boxes (and putting a heat emitter directed toward them all stacked on top of each other), but that just seemed worse than putting them all together in a 10 gallon tank (if you were a lizard, which would YOU prefer, a shoe box or a 10 gallon with 6 of your closest "leopard friends"???).

In the words of Cesar Millan...Don't humanise your pets! The geckos don't consider eachother "friends," they do not have human emotions.

 

[garweft]

...I thought of putting them each into individual shoe boxes (and putting a heat emitter directed toward them all stacked on top of each other), but that just seemed worse than putting them all together in a 10 gallon tank (if you were a lizard, which would YOU prefer, a shoe box or a 10 gallon with 6 of your closest "leopard friends"???).

Can we say anthropomorphism?

Walt Disney would be proud.

 

[BalloonzForU]

Can we say anthropomorphism?

Walt Disney would be proud.

LMAO!!!!

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

You would do best to listen to those that are giving you Sound advice. Those with negative comments, take it with a grain of salt.

Its nice to see you are trying to help/tried to help the gecko, but you now need to be concerned with the care of the others you have. If you are new, might i suggest taking it slowly on aquiring animals. Especially if you plan to breed. Posts like this will not make you a credible breeder when your name is searched. Just a fair warning. Good luck on your Leos!

 

[Xelas]

YOU are in violation of the California Animal Cruelty Laws:

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! While I admire your citing of the laws, did you REALLY think I was going to sit here and read every word of them?

Felicia, I was wondering when you'd pipe in and give your two cents. I guess I should have said in the first post something like "anyone by the name of Felicia is unwanted in this thread, please go away and don't inject your OPINIONS as you are not wanted," but I bet you would have said something anyway. No matter, forward my threads to the "authorities," do your worst, dear battle maiden of faunaclassifieds. You may think you are done with me, and that is good because I was done with you a while ago. So off with you, good luck tracking me down, I looked up my name on whitepages.com, 14 matches with my name and only 2 in my area. I’m not listed so good luck finding me with all the other people who share my name who are also not listed. Run along to the doctor’s now and go ask him for some more check-up tests, or whatever extra “activities” you and the good doctor have going on ;-).