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garweft said:
Can we say anthropomorphism?

Walt Disney would be proud.

I guess this would also apply to the overcrowding rules, too. I mean, how do we know that lizards don't like to be all together? So what you're saying is that maybe we shouldn't assume something is bad for our animals because WE don't know what THEY are thinking/feeling. Maybe I should have put them in a shoe box individually. But then again, maybe I shouldn't.

How will we ever know?.....
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
You would do best to listen to those that are giving you Sound advice. Those with negative comments, take it with a grain of salt.

Its nice to see you are trying to help/tried to help the gecko, but you now need to be concerned with the care of the others you have. If you are new, might i suggest taking it slowly on aquiring animals. Especially if you plan to breed. Posts like this will not make you a credible breeder when your name is searched. Just a fair warning. Good luck on your Leos!

The negative comments are all amusing to me, very much like a game. These people amaze me at how easy they are to play with. But then, there are people like you who don't play, who are serious, and it is people like you that I actually enjoy talking to the most.

I can admit, I went through the symptoms of (what they call in the aquarium hobby) New Tank Syndrome, in which I bought quite a few geckos within a short period of time and put them all together. It is not my intention to keep them in poor conditions, as I am sure (besides whatever disease they have) they are not living in, but I will be rectifying all problems with them by the end of the week.

They say leopard geckos are the "beginner lizard" for most people as they are so easy to care for. This lizard was the first death that I've had with them and it bothers me that I couldn't do anything to save it, but I have learned a lot through this thread for what to do when I find the next lizard like this, and how to save its life before it dies. I knew when I saw this one that I couldn't just leave it behind, I didn't want to know that there was something I could do and that I didn't do it, so I made my choice. Better to try and fail than not to try @ all, right?

About being a credible breeder, I'm sure by the time I learn all the genetics and husbandry and all the little secrets to these geckos, they will speak for themselves (figuratively, of course, not like Walt Disney would want or anything). These people on here, they are not the only breeders, and they are definitely not the only buyers either. One way or another though, I will learn all this, I will become a great breeder and I will perpetuate this species through the next levels of morphs and evolution. I am the new generation of breeders, and although that might sound stupid, all these old-timers (not yet, I know, but they will be) will be gone soon enough and then maybe people will look back and see all these posts, see what has been said and they will read me for what I am. Yes, I argue, and yes I have different opinions and wish to try out different things. Is that so wrong, though? Where would we be today if someone didn't think "I want to make a gecko that has no spots on its body and bright orange on its tail. And I think I'll call it a Hypomelanistic Tangerine gecko with a Carrot Tail," or any of the designer morphs of today for that matter? We would be stuck with the old, wild type gecko and there would be no diversity among the varieties. I'm digressing though, I don't exactly plan to sell the geckos I'm going to breed just yet. My plan is to get at least one gecko from many of the major breeders in the hobby, breed them all to each other and then experiment on the babies. Nothing like open heart surgery or anything, but I'm thinking more like "what happens if..." questions that I have that no one seems to be able to answer on here. Then after a while I plan to sell them, but first, I gotta build an army. Its all trial and error though and the way I see it, the only place to go is up. Thx for the warning though.
 
I am the new generation of breeders, and although that might sound stupid, all these old-timers (not yet, I know, but they will be) will be gone soon enough and then maybe people will look back and see all these posts, see what has been said and they will read me for what I am.

The new generation of breeders. Hmm. Well, might I suggest you do some research on Eublepharis husbandry and learn how to properly house, feed, and care for (that means if it is sick take it to a vet) them before you get all fired up about becoming a breeder.

The way I read you is this (and you are very easy to read, Grasshopper): you are a stubborn newbie that asks for advice yet cannot accept any constructive criticism. You have no clue about the natural history of these animals nor do you care to. You periodically go through what you call "New Tank Syndrome" in which you acquire more animals than you can properly house or care for.

Caring for leopard geckos, much less breeding them, is absolutley NOT "trial and error". Perhaps 20 years ago it was, but not in 2007.

My plan is to get at least one gecko from many of the major breeders in the hobby, breed them all to each other and then experiment on the babies. Nothing like open heart surgery or anything, but I'm thinking more like "what happens if..."

You are now on my "Do not sell to" list. In fact, you are number 2 and only 4 are on my list.

Advice: take a step back. Research these animals, both natural history/habitat and husbandry. If you truly have a passion for them (I HIGHLY doubt it, but...) you will take my advice and learn how to keep them the right way. These are beautiful animals, and while they are the most common captive bred pet trade lizard, they are exquisite and deserve much better care than what you have given so far.
 
The part that's kind of amusing is that every moron who starts screwing up hard due to lack of experience and a refusal to acknowledge the observations and research of others always claims that they're making some fantastic new step forward and experimenting with cutting edge techniques...

When what they are doing in reality is repeating mistakes that have been known to be mistakes for decades. Communal housing and forced competition for unsexed animals isn't done, not because nobody ever thought of it before, but because it doesn't work. People do not feed leopard geckos fish because even a simple observation of their natural history and dietary needs combined with a knowledge of the nutritional content of fish shows that it, once again, doesn't work. People don't house emaciated good as dead (I did mention that a freezer would be quicker and more humane, right?) animals with supposedly healthy animals and ignore the concept of quaranteen because... yes, it has been tried before with negative results.

Xelas isn't doing anything new or innovative or original. He's practicing methods that were tried and rejected... Hell Kelli, I think twenty years is generous, he's doing things that any competent biologist/naturalist/zoo keeper/hobbiest/fifth grade graduate could have told him was wrong as a generality (if not exact species specifics) two hundred years ago or better. if he's going to get going on all that new and amazingly innovative stuff and insists on doing everything wrong to learn the hard way... he's got a long, long time to go before he catches up to the present much less ushers in the future.
 
I can't edit, so I'll just add... I'm also strangely reminded of some discussions with Chad Elmore on these forums a few years ago. The whole "I'm doing it for science!" line of utter crap. I guess Chad managed to turn out alright after that died down and that'd mean that there was some re-eveluation of the attitude and practice of rejecting the knowledge and experience of everyone who did it first as being invalid because it didn't support the conclusions the individual wished to see...

'course Chad, disagreements about hybridization and a few husbandry specifics aside, seemed a lot brighter than this guy from the initial moment of interaction. Chad was arguing about the validity of conclusions drawn from "experiments" without a control factor where this ignorant pile is arguing that leopard geckos might crave interaction with one another and using "they can't talk to tell you they don't" as his chosen tactic of debate. So maybe not the same kind of situation at all.
 
KelliH said:
The new generation of breeders. Hmm. Well, might I suggest you do some research on Eublepharis husbandry and learn how to properly house, feed, and care for (that means if it is sick take it to a vet) them before you get all fired up about becoming a breeder.

The way I read you is this (and you are very easy to read, Grasshopper): you are a stubborn newbie that asks for advice yet cannot accept any constructive criticism. You have no clue about the natural history of these animals nor do you care to. You periodically go through what you call "New Tank Syndrome" in which you acquire more animals than you can properly house or care for.

Caring for leopard geckos, much less breeding them, is absolutley NOT "trial and error". Perhaps 20 years ago it was, but not in 2007.



You are now on my "Do not sell to" list. In fact, you are number 2 and only 4 are on my list.

Advice: take a step back. Research these animals, both natural history/habitat and husbandry. If you truly have a passion for them (I HIGHLY doubt it, but...) you will take my advice and learn how to keep them the right way. These are beautiful animals, and while they are the most common captive bred pet trade lizard, they are exquisite and deserve much better care than what you have given so far.

Oh Kelli, that threat has been used before, and let me just say that I have already found a way around everyone's "do not sell to list," and if you are smart then you will be able to stop me, but you're not smart, Kelli, not smarter than anyone else who would use such a lame threat or punishment. I won't tell you how, but I'll tell you when I get some of yours ;-).

As for the bit about learning, I am learning, Seamus may be right, I think I do need to start from 200 years ago and work my way up. But I'll get there, I have plenty of females, some pregnant who will be laying eggs soon, and you know what comes out of the eggs? I'm sure you do. Babies!!!! And when they come, (and I did think of this before you mentioned Seamus, but I'll definitely take a look at that guy and whatever he was going on about) I'll have an experimental group, and a control group (2 eggs from each mother= 1 to be the experiment, and 1 to be the controlled). Then I'll be able to see what works and what doesn't. I guess I am stubborn, I know I am a newbie, and I can take constructive criticism.....just not from people who are beneath me.
 
Xelas said:
The negative comments are all amusing to me, very much like a game.
Xelas said:
I know I am a newbie, and I can take constructive criticism.....just not from people who are beneath me.
This guy is only baiting us. Please do not repsond to any more of his posts, and just call the ASPCA. He lives in Irvine, CA.
 
Xelas has now left the building. He isn't worth everyones' effort and brings nothing worthwhile here.

Xelas said:
Lol, yea I bet it isn't. I was just questioning your intelligence, comprehension, and understanding of the words you based your "warning" on, but I guess those are not open for debate either, right?

DThomas said:
This is not open for debate.

Xelas said:
I'm still a bit lost, which part in that was racist/prejudice? I hope you understand the definition of those words....

DThomas said:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=464548#post464548'

Xelas said:
What have I said that is either Racist or Prejudice? I am not either, so this warning really means nothing to me. Can you explain this please?

DThomas said:
Xelas,

You have been issued a warning by DThomas on the account of Racist / Prejudicial Remarks!

You now have 6 warning points.

Please read the rules and try to adhere to them to make FaunaClassifieds more useful and enjoyable for us all.

Thanks,
DThomas
On Behalf of
Site Administration
 
You will be continued to be banned. There is a reason why you were banned, learn from it.

I'm sure Dennis will be back to send you packing yet again.
 
Man I went to bed last night and missed all the fun. :(

If he contributes anything to the future of herpetoculture it will be super disease resistant leopard geckos, through unintentional selective breeding.
 
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