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Bad Guy Howling gale bearded dragons

Dosnt seem like much changed..Just another play on words...Making that your last post on here,shows you still havnt gotten the customer service thing down..I am not sure why I would have to pay to ship a dragon back to you if it showed up sick?And then,probably have to pay to have the replacement shipped back..You still dont guaruntee colors??..I am not sorry when I say I think this is a sad attempt of you to try to make yourself look good..Please nicole,even if you care about your breeding,you should just give it up and do somthing else or move on to other animals like snakes..They have color guaruntees..There are to many others out there who have better guaruntees,and better track records with customers...
 
okay please tell me why jeff would put in your original auction ad that you were only doing it to make your self look good. I think your full of it Nicole, but hey your word is golden right.
 
Nicole, I can guarantee that I will not post anything in your ad. I can appreciate the cause. You are taking a step in the right direction and yes, you still have a lot to go. At least making the effort is a start that I can respect.
 
i will say i wont post in her ad i may not like your business practices but i feel you done enough damage to your self i would just be :deadhorse
 
Frankly, I don't care enough to post anything in her thread and I do not want to hinder Charles from getting every penny that he can (if he could make a choice, he would probably refuse her money until she did right by the other people).

IMO...If anyone is naive enough to buy anything from her or do business with her after reading this thread, they deserve exactly what they will probably get.

But
 
I will not be posting after this as again this is going to go off topic and will turn into a "He sais she sais" mess agian.

Few breeders Guarantee Color and no I will pay to ship dragon to them but they have to pay ship it back (On a side note none of my dragons have ever been sick out side of rescues the come in ill and they are kept in a separate room from my breeders and have a box of gloves and bottle of Germ-X near the tanks) that is very common; I am not big into snakes I work with Dragons and I will never stop doing so you do not scare me Iraqvet also record wise I have very detailed records on every single dragon here.

I never told Jeff that I never spoke to Jeff I spoke to his wife and I told her Clearly that I am doing this for Chuck as when I spoke to him he was a nice guy I never said I am doing it to make myself look better nor would I ever say that either it is a lie on their half or they some how they got Mixed up. I spoke to his wife Twice on the phone; I emailed them once to give them my phone number; I emailed the Link to the Ad. The only other email that was sent was an email that was sent to me with them asking Ed if he would donate something I only sent it because they told me they did not want me to post their name on my auction because I am "Associated" With Ed. Most of our conversation was on the phone as that seemed how they preferred it. (I Have the email still that was forwarded to me that will only be provided by PM (Screen Shot))
 
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Frankly, I don't care enough to post anything in her thread and I do not want to hinder Charles from getting every penny that he can (if he could make a choice, he would probably refuse her money until she did right by the other people).

IMO...If anyone is naive enough to buy anything from her or do business with her after reading this thread, they deserve exactly what they will probably get.

But
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Que Serre Serre...
 
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I never told Jeff that I never spoke to Jeff I spoke to his wife and I told her Clearly that I am doing this for Chuck as when I spoke to him he was a nice guy I never said I am doing it to make myself look better nor would I ever say that either it is a lie on their half or they some how they got Mixed up.
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so your basically saying Jeff lied when he put in your ORIGINAL AUCTION THREAD that you told them your doing it to better your name???
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
I will not be posting after this as again this is going to go off topic and will turn into a "He sais she sais" mess agian.

Few breeders Guarantee Color and no I will pay to ship dragon to them but they have to pay ship it back (On a side note none of my dragons have ever been sick out side of rescues the come in ill and they are kept in a separate room from my breeders and have a box of gloves and bottle of Germ-X near the tanks) that is very common; I am not big into snakes I work with Dragons and I will never stop doing so you do not scare me Iraqvet also record wise I have very detailed records on every single dragon here.

I never told Jeff that I never spoke to Jeff I spoke to his wife and I told her Clearly that I am doing this for Chuck as when I spoke to him he was a nice guy I never said I am doing it to make myself look better nor would I ever say that either it is a lie on their half or they some how they got Mixed up. I spoke to his wife Twice on the phone; I emailed them once to give them my phone number; I emailed the Link to the Ad. The only other email that was sent was an email that was sent to me with them asking Ed if he would donate something I only sent it because they told me they did not want me to post their name on my auction because I am "Associated" With Ed. Most of our conversation was on the phone as that seemed how they preferred it. (I Have the email still that was forwarded to me that will only be provided by PM (Screen Shot))
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Uh,no one is trying to scare you lol..But I did look at other breeder pages and alot say color guaruntee..That pretty much lets you off the hook when saying a dragon has color,but loses it when it reaches its new homeNot really fair is it?..What dont you understand about FRAUD Nicole?..Instead of going to court or jail,why dont you sell your animals for what they are,and represent them right?..Thats called HONESTY..If you are not making enough money,get another job..Dont sit there and sell dull dragons for higher end prices..At this point people know you photoshop,so its a mute point..As far as the auction stuff,not my problem..Its never gonna be enough to clear you of all your wrong doing..And I really dont see you caring about anyone in this industry..Otherwise you wouldnt be ripping people off...
 
For one you gave her your number to call and she called unaware of your past BOI thread. I made it aware to Christina (my wife) of this thread and that is when we asked you to run the auction yourself. I did not want our name involved in the auction because of this BOI thread and this was when I asked you to remove our names from the listing. If this would have been done I would have never posted on your classified thread. I may have not waited long enough to post what I did but I thought about 10 minutes was sufficient since you was asked by my wife over the phone. If this was done by email I would have waited longer to post but since it was over the phone I thought about 10 minutes was long enough. And you did tell my wife that you thought by doing an auction it might help your reputation. For those that are unaware of my comment in the classified thread I will post what I said.

Jeff Wise
 
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Wow..This girl says she changed,but still shows she lies..What is wrong with u Nicole??How hard is it to not lie?
 
Sorry Iraq I am not the liar here Wise Reptiles is. They want to change their story and lie about me I will show everyone this screen shot Publicly. They told me on the phone they wanted their name off because I am associated with Ed Clark; then change the story to "Because I have a BOI" :NoNo:. Here is an email from them to Ed asking for him to donate to the benefit auction; no offence I don't have any BOI's near what Ed dose so their story makes absolutely no sense what so ever:ack2:.

This is a screen shot from my AOL Email of the email sent to Ed

:shrug01: I can't control what you want to believe nor do I care to but if I was someone else reading this I would see Wise Reptiles story as very Fishy. I broke my I will not be posting anymore and now I am posting for the last time you have my proof what they said to me was on the phone there is nothing else to say.

Have fun with whatever bash fest you are going to start I am out of this
 
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OK, that was going to be my last post but she just contacted my wife under her email. I got screen shots of all the messages as well as where she is saying we contacted Ed Clark to ask for a donation. We never asked Ed Clark for a donation nor would we have. We would have never emailed anyone from King Snake to ask for a donation. So some how she added my wifes email to a message and screen shot it because I know we would not have asked ED Clark for a donation. There are enough members here that have been more than generous to go asking for donations else where. I am tired of the games and if it was not for the email we received I would have left this thread alone. If anyone wants to see the original email send me a PM and your email and I will forward it to you.

Jeff Wise
 
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So if lies are hurting you and making you sick,why do YOU lie then??Its ok for you to do so but not others?
 
:rolleyes: Screen shots don't lie Jeff :shootfoot here are screen shots to prove this is an email as sent to me I made sure you could see my clock and so on in the background I just took these screen shots. I can also forward this email to anyone who would like that email me at [email protected] for it.

Jeff that email you sent Ed is considered Spam by King Snake they do not tolerate that.:NoNo: You can not send emails not pertaining to the ad on King Snake I know someone who got banned for that. (Just letting you know):shrug01:

I have to be up early for work tomorrow I will check back later in the day.
 
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You know what nichole what seems fishy is the 100 some people I have contacted have all gotten the same generic email nothing to do with a personal name or anything it has all it has been this same email ""Hi,
I am contacting you to see if you knew about the member Critical Bill aka Chuck Kimmel. He is a long time member at Fauna and his family is struggling right now. Chuck had 2 heart attacks last week and flat lined they have him in ICU, everything is touch and go. He has kidney failure since yesterday and I decided that I am going to help out his family and run a fund raiser to help the family with all of the expenses that they are having a the moment. I am contact you to see if there was a possibility that you had a donation towards theses auctions to help out a great cause. If not, I understand because times are hard for everyone.'''
Now if you would like I will contact 10 or so of them and have them come here and say that they all recieved this same exact email and nothing more! heck I could have them all come here and they would get the same results... My story seems fishy..... you are the one who cant get your story straight first you say you talk to me on the phone which you did then you email MY email stating JEFF called you and such so you know get the facts straight before you try to lie. You are affliated with ED you guys are engaged you told me this on the phone when I said you had 3 BOI post and I was not allowing the auction to happen. When I called the second time I was pissed and told you to get my name and such out of that thread so I wasnt involved and told you that it wasnt happening you told me that since you are helping chuck I was gonna help you clear your name. I am not doing this for credit or anything I am doing this because people are hurting and in need! To be honest Chuck would not take money from you or ED and I know it that is why I didnt want to do a auction for you!!
Christina Wise
 
Changing The story more Christina? You told me you had a moderator tell you to have me post the ad because the dragons would not be ready to shipped for two weeks...funny. I never got pissed at you ever I said I would take your name off the auction when I was able to log back on as when you called me I was in the middle of feeding my dragons you said that was fine yet you post that BS on my auction? I take it you are embaressed now for asking Ed to donate and then too embaressed to tell the truth on why you told me to take your name off the Auction.

Screen Shots don't lie I can take more in any format anyone would like me to; also I never told you I was engaged to him on the phone as it had nothing to do with our conversation.

"To be honest Chuck would not take money from you or ED and I know it that is why I didnt want to do a auction for you!!"
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More changes in your story, can you keep it strait? First because I am affiliated with Ed personally; then because I have a BOI, now because Chuck would not take money from me? Sheesh which one is it?

I am off to bed I will post tomorrow I work untill around 5PM Est I won't have time to get on untill after dinner and my dragons are taken care of. Night
 
Forwarded messages are pretty easy to edit.

And for the record, Christina and Jeff have been a godsend this past week. Thanks to them, and everyone's kind-hearted donations, we've already received over $400 in paypal just from them.

I'm curious why Ed is using you as his spokesperson for said emails? Thought you two just made a few deals with each other. Are you denying that you two are an "item" and currently engaged as Ed stated?
 
Ed sent me the email because I told him what Christina told me on the phone on how they can not be affiliated with the auction because I am affiliated with him. And my personal life really is no ones business no offence I keep my Personal Life out of my business Life you guys are free to decide what you want on the "Ed & I" subject. I will ask Ed to post a screen shot of the email he has if it would help.


Night Everyone
 
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