Bad Guy Howling gale bearded dragons

[shlages]

Sheena, When did you make contact about purchasing this beardie?When did you officially buy it?

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

this has been going on for pages already. enough
Back to the point-Nicole why & when did you delete the ad in question?

I take all ads down after the dragon is paid for I don't leave sold ads up; it was taken down the day she paid for her.

 

[shlages]

Since when?You used to mark them sold & leave them up.
When was initial contact made & payment made on said dragon?I asked Sheena but she hasn't responded.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Since I got sick of seeing sold ads all over the place (I hate clutter) on a classifieds for selling dragons. Sheena paid for the dragon on the 12th according to my files and got dragon on the 18th, anyways I am off to bed good night.

 

[hhmoore]

The ad has been temporarily undeleted, and can be found at http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164551.

 

[shlages]

THANK YOU HARALD!!!
You rock bro

 

[aleria]

From the pictures in the ad itself, the original picture posted doesn't show that it was not altered, it just doesn't have any exif data whatsoever. Which as I stated, can happen if a file is uploaded and re-downloaded and moved from place to place rather than being uploaded directly from the original file. So that, again as I said, does not disprove any editing on her part. And as for the second picture she posted, the main one that the debate has been about, it still clearly shows the source as ADOBE PHOTOSHOP CS WINDOWS.
There is 0 possibility that that picture came straight from her camera to her computer, only had some cropping done in paint and then magically had photoshop tags added to the exif data. IMPOSSIBLE. The only way for it to get that info in the exif data was if that photo was altered with photoshop as the exif data states.

 

[hhmoore]

Dragon & Spyder - the BOI is not the place for you to continue your bickering.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

As stated before I do not have Photo Shop nor any Access to it nor would I ever considering paying what they want for it after researching it today I think it said it is like $300 - $500 (google shopping). The picture attached is the program that came with camera that puts the picture onto my computer it is called Canon EOS and is in no way affiliated with the adobe company as far as I know.

Now I am going to bed good night

 

[aleria]

If you currently have your camera handy then, write the current date and time on a piece of paper and go through your usual process of uploading a picture from your camera to your computer, doing whatever editing you normally do, and then post it here. No different than the way you would with one of the beardy pictures. I can compare the exif data from that to the results from the previous pictures to see if there is a discrepancy.
Because if you're stating that you never ran that extra dark picture through photoshop yet it somehow got photoshop tags on it the second you posted it to your ad, then I'd like to see where in your process that happened if you don't even own photoshop.

 

[Utta]

if someone has the means to, you can get photoshop for free, although illegal it won't stop people from doing it. (I.E. same way people get free movies(if needed for records I can give various websites that allow this just pm me)) secondly, showing your program list doesn't mean you don't have photoshop. In order to prove that you need to go to my computer, c drive, then program files. Someone with some knowladge about computers can delete the shortcut from the taskbar. Or even move it from your program files, so technically if someone wanted a Screen shot of anything they could just move it to another folder. Pm me if that didn't make sence lol

 

[capt._howdy]

all this and all the op wants is her money back honestly i think shes not asking for Nicole right leg (or is she) but honestly if i sold a dragon and the buyer didn't like the way it looked let it be color, size, shape i would say ether ship it back and give them ALL THERE MONEY BACK or try working with them to figure out something that's in there best interest this fee b.s is just a way to take money u didn't earn

 

[mvite]

All this crappin around is starting to feel like a shell game.

Just refund the money and take the animal back. Write it off to it being a mistake.

All the caveats in dealing with this seller would make me avoid her.

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

Here I even took screen shots of the process for you this is how I do every single picture.



Camera ---> EOS (Downloads Pic to PC) ----> Crop In Paint -----> Save in Paint ----> Upload to Fuana


Picture Taken 11:32 AM (Today)



The dragon in the picture is a dragon I rescued I am telling you this because people see his back and freak out he had horrible MBD when I got him due to having no uvb or supplements the whole beginning of his life; He is one of my permanent residents.

 

[aleria]

If the top image posted there is the finished product then it had the same results as the non-super saturated picture posted earlier. NO exif data at all.
So sorry, but unfortunately there is the solid proof that the darkened image of that dragon was altered in some way, whether by you or someone else, prior to posting it in the original ad.
Because as I have said over and over again, a photoshop data tag will not be added to the exif data unless the file is edited in some way with photoshop. Period.
Computers may be smart, but not smart enough to do that kind of thing on their own yet. They haven't reached the point of being fully sentient.
So with that result, what are your plans to resolve this issue with the unhappy customer?

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I have showed this to many people they all say what I am saying give the dragon time to chill out and color up you can not expect a dragon to come into a new house with new faces and dragons around in a different tank. I would never ever go after anyone like she is because a dragon is not colored up I give my dragons atleast 2 weeks to acclimate before judging them. I have had dragons stressed and not show stress marks they just aren't as colorful and hiding or acting a little off this is totally normal any person who has gotten dragons before should know this she is clearly not willing to give this dragon anytime the day she gets it in she freaks out and goes off on me Like i said before one of my best breeder males came in and was normal looking for a month before he finally relaxed and colored up.

Here is an example of a dragon stressed and the drastic difference it can make this is a male I use to have.


Picture 1 was him not colored up picture 2 is how he was when he relaxed (I did NOT take either picture)

 

[aleria]

Ok, with that being the case, will you be allowing her 2 weeks to see if the dragon does begin to show the colors that it was presented as in the ad? And if it does not reach anywhere near the same as it was originally represented as during that 2 weeks will you be offering some form of refund, whether partial or for the return?

 

[David Reid]

The point has been made repeatedly that dragons can lose their color when stressed, being shipped, etc. I do not think anyone here has argued that point. It looks like the argument is, whether or not the seller altered a picture to the point where it was obvious misrepresentation. The question remains, did the picture get altered to make the dragon look better than it really does in person, to make a sale? If yes, then the buyer deserves a refund that they feel comfortable with, or, a complete refund after shipping the dragon back. Looking at the pictures of the dragon in question, I am not so sure that the dragon will color up to look as nice as the pictures that look to be altered.

Dave

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I do not take returns on dragons this I am sure you can understand I am not saying she has anything going on but I don't know what the dragon could possibly be exposed to I do not want to risk my colony. Yes I quarantine my dragons and all reptiles that come in here sometimes things get through I have herd horror stories of things like Mites and that .

She needs to give that dragon at least two weeks to chill out I know you have it in your heads that I "Photo Shop" but I don't that is not my thing a lot of the times people will email me wanting the dragon in my hand and I always send that picture and I have never had anyone say the dragon looked different. Seeing this going on though I am considering always having my hand in a picture to prevent people thinking a picture is altered from what I read if you alter a picture with your hand in it your skin will look funny (correct me if I'm wrong).

I already have an agreement with her on the refund amount as we have been talking outside of the BOI I would feel much better if she would give the dragon the 2 weeks to chill out I have never misrepresented any dragon or other reptile I have sold over the years; why would I start now? I do my best with pictures and descriptions on what the dragon looks like many times when the person gets the dragon and once it is relaxed they email me telling me it looks better than it did in the picture. If for some odd reason the dragon dose not color up in two weeks she can email me about it, but I do request that she keeps me updated with pictures every couple days so I can see how the dragon is progressing.


I would also like her to tell me what the tank looks like (set up) and what lighting she is using along with temperatures on the cool side and basking spot.



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Dave please read the whole thread I have made it clear I do not alter pictures nor have a program capable of such a thing.

 

[aleria]

1. if you do have an agreement then it would be nice for either you or her to let everyone here know that so we aren't wasting our times asking the same questions over and over again thinking that no solution has been figured out.
2. It really doesn't matter how many times you say that YOU don't alter your pictures, that picture was altered with photoshop. Plain and simple, and there is absolutely no denying it.