Bad Guy Howling gale bearded dragons

[StrictlyExotics]

So what I said can't be taken out of context I will add it here and this is the comment I was refering to "Please make sure to use protection because we don't need any more morons on Fauna".

Jeff Wise

Jeff, its all in how you take the comment. I could take it as "USE the BOI, protect yourself from the morons" or "Protect yourself, there are many morons on Fauna" and yes, I could take it the way it sounds. I dont see anything particularly wrong with the statement as there are MUCH worse statements on here.

I applaud the apology though. It might not be necessary.

 

[KelliH]

What doesn't work for me with this whole email to Ed soliciting a donation thing are the following.
1. I have never seen someone alter their writing style randomly between forums, emails, IM's, etc. So for them to suddenly send an email to Ed that has absolutely no proper capitalization, punctuation, etc. when every other thing I've seen typed by them is very proper, doesn't fit. Not surprisingly the writing style fits the posts I have seen from Nicole.
2. Not one mention of a name anywhere in there as to who the email was even from. No "Hi this is xxx from xxx" or "Thanks, xxx" at the bottom. Now who sends an email to someone that they don't regularly speak to, especially requesting something like a donation and doesn't include any form of greeting or signature? Nope, not happening, does not make a single bit of sense there.
So my request is this, for those out there that were sent a donation request from Wise by email, if you still have a copy of that first email that matches what Wise is claiming they have sent out, it would be great if you could post it. Proof that they didn't suddenly write up a template and claim that's what they would have sent if they sent anything at all.

You have got to be kidding. Just about every one of their posts has some sort of grammatical error. I noticed this way before this little BOI thread deviation because improper grammar is one of my pet peeves. Here are some random examples that were easy to find. These are all supposed to be sentences. If you still are in doubt, use the search function and see for yourself.

yea I doubt that will happen if he does there would be a high min bid.

She was a 03 far as we know normal redtail.

We just ordered 7 leopard geckos off of Kyle at pacificgecko.com and all arrived in perfect health and ae doing great in there new homes.

no since creating another sig thread so I figured I would try our out here

thank you for pointing that out to me... I did'nt notice his last name and it was under the anthony... thought that was his last name... thanks for the info

Kelli, is there anyway at all that the data could have been doctored/manipulated?

Oh I suppose it's possible, sure. Really the only way to find out 100%/beyond a shadow of a doubt is to have someone from kingsnake.com check. I'm friends with JeffB but I am not about to ask him to take time out of his day to get involved in this mess.

Kelli, I know you said that you deciphered it unbiased, and I do believe the unbiased part of it. But can you say with 100% certainty that it was, in fact, sent by them? I dont think that Jeff and Christina would have anything to gain by lying about the email, especially considering that I was on the phone with them when they received the screenshot.

No, I am not going to say with 100% certainty that the email was sent by them. I just looked it over and offered an opinion. I don't understand why they would lie about it either unless maybe they are embarrassed that they contacted Ed. If that's the case there is nothing to be embarrassed about; they are trying to help people in need.

 

[hhmoore]

My personal (not moderator) opinion is that all this crap about the auction is muddying up the more important issues. Is it really such a horrible thing if Nicole wants to auction off a baby dragon, with the proceeds to be donated to/for Chuck's family? Under the circumstances, I can sort of understand Jeff and Christina not wanting to involve themselves & this benefit with Nicole (though, if they are making the statement that they aren't endorsing any of the donors, and aren't responsible for customer satisfaction, even that choice could be questioned). Anyway, all this round and round doesn't seem to be a BOI matter. Since she has stated that the winning bid amount will be paid directly to WiseReptiles, the only real criticism I see would be if she inflated shipping cost (which has been referenced previously)...or if she failed to send the dragon to the winner.

Further, even if WiseReptiles did contact Ed for a donation - which I am inclined not to believe - is that, and all the associated nonsense, pertinent to Nicole's BOI thread? It seems that would be an issue between Ed and them.

Now, amongst all the distractions, somebody made a post that DOES, without a doubt, belong here:

In Nicole's defense I am one of the people that posted that she had sent me a dragon from a doctored image. The image was Doctored for sure but the dragon has colored up beautifully (still looks nothing like the picture) but is healthy and beautiful.

Nicole (to her defense) sent this member a healthy and beautiful dragon, which has colored up nicely......but STILL LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE PICTURE. Maybe I've missed something - have there been complaints of Nicole's dragons not being healthy? If not, while I think it's great that this person is satisfied, that post should not lead anybody to overlook the increasingly common complaint that people are being misled by doctored images.

Nicole - going back to your recent venture of running fecal samples for people. I believe that could be construed as illegal if you are getting paid (even if it is only $5 to cover your supplies). You are, in effect, diagnosing their animals....practicing veterinary medicine without a license, if you will. The fact that you are not telling them how to treat, or dispensing meds, is a small item in your favor; but your "friend" (accomplice) seems to be covering that base. If somebody were to pursue it, you might find yourself with one hell of a headache that Tylenol won't cure.

 

[Iraqvet]

Harald,I dont think it was bad that Nicole wanted to put a dragon up for auction..I think it is her intentions that made it bad..I mean,we can all pretty much see through her lies at this point...And only time will show if she actually sends the dragons that were advertised and not a normal,and if she does not inflate the shipping costs..We will see what happens when that time comes..As far as your response to her satisfied customer goes,your right..It should not overlook the fact that while Nicoles dragons show up healthy,they are fraudulenty portrayed as more colorful,expensive dragons,and show up as not being how they were represented..Again Nicole,you bring that on yourself..I will ask one more time...What is it that posses you to lie about your dragons??Is the extra bit of money really worth all this?Your name is in the mudd cause quite simply you are dishonest,and have no clue how to be good to your customers..I am not sure about the fecal samples..Thats one to ask someone who knows the laws in NY..

 

[capt._howdy]

Okay this has gotton out of hand just leave nicole and ed to there lies and lets just get back to doing what we do best and that is ignore them there like little kids that throw temper tantrums they are just looking for attention(at least ed is) so im not going to give it to them so nicole can drag her name back and forth threw the mud i really dont care.

 

[garweft]

Nicole, how many times before have you been proven a liar.

Remember when you changed your TOS after a sale went bad so that you could just say your sticking to your TOS. But then someone found a cached copy that showed that you lied and changed it after the sale. Didn't you try to say you just changed a spelling error? Here's the thread:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135080&highlight=nicole+norton


In this thread you claim to have a friend that is big into websites and does photoshop on the side. So by your own admission you would have a way to get things done.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126549&highlight=nicole+norton

You also have a nice history of saying your not going to address BOI threads and threatening to mass email your dragon breeder friends to tell them not to sell to unhappy customers. Not really the qualities of a reputable seller in my book.

So if all goes as usual you will dissapear and have Ed stand up for you right?

Would you just drop the poor defenseless little girl routine and own up to your lies already..... The bad guy threads are really starting to pile up for you.

In that second link above Nicole and a past member both claimed the other edited their private message conversation with Photoshop. So This would make a second time that Nicole could have used Photoshop to change a screen shot of a text image to say what she wanted it to say.

And I was right.... Ed did finally come

 

[lpcad]

What doesn't work for me with this whole email to Ed soliciting a donation thing are the following.
1. I have never seen someone alter their writing style randomly between forums, emails, IM's, etc. So for them to suddenly send an email to Ed that has absolutely no proper capitalization, punctuation, etc. when every other thing I've seen typed by them is very proper, doesn't fit. Not surprisingly the writing style fits the posts I have seen from Nicole.
2. Not one mention of a name anywhere in there as to who the email was even from. No "Hi this is xxx from xxx" or "Thanks, xxx" at the bottom. Now who sends an email to someone that they don't regularly speak to, especially requesting something like a donation and doesn't include any form of greeting or signature? Nope, not happening, does not make a single bit of sense there.

I would have to agree. It also seems that Jeff and Christina always capitalize proper nouns. i.e. "Ed" not "ed".

 

[KelliH]

I would have to agree. It also seems that Jeff and Christina always capitalize proper nouns. i.e. "Ed" not "ed".

I'm sorry to say this but you are incorrect. It doesn't make me feel one way or the other towards a person if the are not the best at punctuation and grammar, but it is something I notice right off the bat about their posts. I am positive there are many more examples but you get the jist I am certain.

Me pointing this out to you is just that: pointing out a fact. It is nothing personal against WiseReptiles or anyone else.

Benefit for chuck Leo up for auction!!

I am so sorry maggie !

You know what nichole what seems fishy is the 100 some people I have contacted have all gotten the same generic email

georgeous... harald will love him

but i think jeff is wanting to go fishing with u lol all he talks about is those big fish so maybe one day we some down that way lol

 

[lpcad]

I guess I stand corrected, Sorry about that.

 

[TattooLost]

I could have sworn this thread was about Nicole and her business practices?

The entire argument is really moot to me. Let Nicole do her benefit auction. Let Jeff and Christina do theirs.

Jeff and Christina have helped out me and my family so much this past week or so. Along with the members of Fauna. We're still in amazement. So you'll hear nothing ill about them come from me. I'm sure Maggie would tell you the same, and I'm sure Chuck will too when he recovers.

 

[aquariumdenizens]

As far as that email that was produced from Kingsnake goes, I knew right away that Nicole and or Ed Clark would attempt to tout that the IP address was proof positive of what they claimed.

But which of these two scenarios is most likely?

1. People that apparently despise Ed Clark (WiseReptiles) and want nothing to do with him sent it to his auction he has going for geckos via the "contact me" link on Kingsnake even though it appears that it's nothing like the format of all the rest of the emails they sent out to others.

2. Somebody, perhaps someone that has a habit of practicing in deceitful ways and that has prior knowledge of what WiseReptile's IP address is, took the 20 seconds or so it takes to use ipconfig to change their IP address to match WiseReptile's then enter the fake email address into the "contact me" link on ED Clarks's gecko ad on Kingsnake.

I only bring it up again because in a certain someone's eyes it is proof enough to to justify calling WiseRetiles liars.
I don't believe it is. It shows no clear headers. If scenario #2 is correct, I feel its an amateur attempt at manufacturing "proof." Who knows, maybe that darn "web guy" did it.



Nicole, I have a question for you.

How do you explain the difference in color of "Sokar" in the two pictures on your ad that is shown in post # 310 of this thread? It is the exact same picture except for one is CLEARLY enhanced.

These is a straight forward, direct question. I would like a straight forward direct answer although I'm fairly confident that my question will be handled by Nicole in one of a number of ways.

1. Completely ignore it.
2. Denial / claim ignorance.
3. Attempt to divert away from the subject matter
4. A little bit of 1 through 3

.

 

[Iraqvet]

As far as that email that was produced from Kingsnake goes, I knew right away that Nicole and or Ed Clark would attempt to tout that the IP address was proof positive of what they claimed.

But which of these two scenarios is most likely?

1. People that apparently despise Ed Clark (WiseReptiles) and want nothing to do with him sent it to his auction he has going for geckos via the "contact me" link on Kingsnake even though it appears that it's nothing like the format of all the rest of the emails they sent out to others.

2. Somebody, perhaps someone that has a habit of practicing in deceitful ways and that has prior knowledge of what WiseReptile's IP address is, took the 20 seconds or so it takes to use ipconfig to change their IP address to match WiseReptile's then enter the fake email address into the "contact me" link on ED Clarks's gecko ad on Kingsnake.

I only bring it up again because in a certain someone's eyes it is proof enough to to justify calling WiseRetiles liars.
I don't believe it is. It shows no clear headers. If scenario #2 is correct, I feel its an amateur attempt at manufacturing "proof." Who knows, maybe that darn "web guy" did it.



Nicole, I have a question for you.

How do you explain the difference in color of "Sokar" in the two pictures on your ad that is shown in post # 310 of this thread? It is the exact same picture except for one is CLEARLY enhanced.

These is a straight forward, direct question. I would like a straight forward direct answer although I'm fairly confident that my question will be handled by Nicole in one of a number of ways.

1. Completely ignore it.
2. Denial / claim ignorance.
3. Attempt to divert away from the subject matter
4. A little bit of 1 through 3

.

Sorry,but she feels above answering questions..I have asked many times why she feels the need to lie,and photoshop pictures..She still thinks she can deny all that...I ask her why she thinks she is allowed to rip people off,and she denies that..I also ask why she dosnt guaruntee color,like every other breeder..She thinks no other breeders do,so she dosnt either...She thinks it protects her,cause she knows the dragons DONT LOOK LIKE HOW THEY WERE REPRESENTED....In a nutshell,she is on the same level as the SCAMMERS IN AFRICA...Only difference is yes you will get somthin for your money,but it WILL NOT BE WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS!!...Oh let mention SHE WILL NOT TAKE BACK THE PHOTOSHOPPED DRAGONS!!

 

[Zack319]

2. Somebody, perhaps someone that has a habit of practicing in deceitful ways and that has prior knowledge of what WiseReptile's IP address is, took the 20 seconds or so it takes to use ipconfig to change their IP address to match WiseReptile's then enter the fake email address into the "contact me" link on ED Clarks's gecko ad on Kingsnake.

That's not even possible. You can't just ipconfig/renew to match someones IP address. It doesn't work that way, most ISP's give static IP address's meaning even using Ipconfig/renew their IP address still will not, and if they had a Static IP, they could still never get that exact IP.

ISP's give out IP's, their normally all in correlation, and start with around the same numbers varied by location.

You can't just change your IP to match another person's, its 100% impossible.

 

[aquariumdenizens]

I've never personally tried it but from what I understand it can be done along with a plethora of other methods also.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I've never personally tried it but from what I understand it can be done along with a plethora of other methods also.

Please outline the methods by which you understand it can be done (in a new thread).

*Sorry Harald...

 

[Zack319]

I've never personally tried it but from what I understand it can be done along with a plethora of other methods also.

No it can't lol. 100% impossible.

 

[aquariumdenizens]

Ok, I could do that in a little while, I dont see the point though. A quick search on Google or Youtube will show you the same results that I could provide.

 

[Zack319]

A quick search on Google or Youtube will provide you with proxies. Those do not change your IP address to someone elses.

IP Addresses will change over time, they are reused. So, one day I may have the IP adress 72.84.61.312, another day my address maybe 72.84.91.624. I can potentially have someone elses IP address, but they no longer have it.

You can't share an IP address, that's the bottom line.

 

[Zack319]

Sorry for the double post, VPN's (Virtual Private Networks) allow you to use the servers IP address to mask your own while surfing the internet or running programs, mainly used to do malicious things, and evade bans on site like this.

Proxies are similar but not quite as good as VPN's, but there is no way in the world to chagne your IP address to mask someone elses.

There is no way in the world Norris Bennet and myself can be sharing the same IP address at the same time, unless we are using the same network. Even then, routers sort that out.

 

[Clay Davenport]

OK guys, this thread is about Nicole from Howling Gale, not whether Ed was solicited for a donation and not whether an IP can be changed for an email. Let's reign this back in to the topic of the thread.