I wanna know about the Jungle.

[Firebill]

Right on. Hey you're not related to Rod Carew are you?

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

He's my son.

 

[Firebill]

Rod Carew - your son - Hall of Fame baseball player played for the Twins and Angels. Elected to All-Star games every year he played except 1 son? If so, can i get an autographed ball Making you at least 80 years old?

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

It was sarcasm. He's black as night, I'm white as a ghost.

Silly questions get silly answers sometimes.

 

[Firebill]

Sarcasm so early in the morning, but i've only had one cup of coffee. Plus, i did not know what color you are Well, i guess i won't be getting an autographed baseball then

 

[mxracer4life]

I know how you feel Bill. Its early.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Co-dominant is where two dominant morphs "co-exist", creating a different phenotype, as in a hypo jungle or any other combination.

Chris, I have never heard co-dom explained in that way before. I always understood co-dominance as an expression of one pair of genes, like dominant and recessive.

I tried to do a google search for what it would be called when two fully dominant genes are expressed (I would guess dual homozygous?) all I found was 'Mutually exclusive expression of two dominant genes'?; however on wikipedia, it lists the term 'codominance' as what you say it is (2 different dominant genes expressed) and then goes on to say "Co-dominance and incomplete or semi-dominance are not the same thing." ... meaning if there is a hyphen it has a different definition?

anyways, I usually defer to Paul Hollander, I found one of his posts on another site:
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"We have two sets of definitions of codominance and incomplete dominance in the quote. <edit - he was quoting someone else's post in the thread..> (Semidominance is included under incomplete dominance.)

Set 1:
Incomplete dominance = the heterozygote shows a phenotype in between the homozygous recessive and homozygous dominant phenotypes.

Codominance = The two alleles of a pair at a specific locus are not identical but the expression of both is observed.

Set 2:

Incomplete dominance = One allele makes a product and the other does not, resulting in an intermediate phenotype.

Codominance = Both alleles make products, which may or may not produce an intermediate phenotype.

The second set shows that using an intermediate phenotype definition for incomplete dominance, as in the first set, is inaccurate. But we lack the data required to use the second set.

The result is continued disagreement.

The most honest course is admit that we can't tell the codominants from the incomplete dominants at this time. Then lump them together in a single category named codominants (or incomplete dominants or semidominants or whatever). That lets us continue business unchanged and finds us not guilty of the charge of laziness. A win-win solution, at least until someone steps up with a few million euros to fund a lab to get the necessary information. "
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post #42 at link:http://www.redtailboas.com/f115/dominant-co-dom-clarification-47619/index3.html#post508971

always willing to learn more! i am still a bit confused about it

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Set 2 sounds a lot like it was explained to me, with a little more thrown in.

A Super motley is the FULL expression of a Co-Dominant mutation, and a regular Motley would be the intermediate, or shared expression of the same mutation with the WT gene.

 

[mysticdiva]

Great discussion guys! I've really been into the jungle morph in the last 6 months. I got this little guy from Adam Chesla, who got him from Pete Kahl. He's het albino to boot, what do you think?

 

[AbsoluteApril]

that's a nice one Rachel!

 

[mxracer4life]

April, you got me thinking when you mentioned Jungles having "red eyes'. I had never known to look for that, but since I do, I checked all of my boas eyes to compare. My Jungle female only has a slight tint of red. My Super hypo jungle male as devil eyes, so that makes since. My super hypo female also has red eyes, which is strange, as she was sold to me as a super from a super to super breeding, no mention of "jungle". I will post close up pics of her tomorrow, but here is on. The second pic is of my super hypo jungle. You can see the red in his eyes much more in person. I will get new close up pics of him as well.

 

[mxracer4life]

Great discussion guys! I've really been into the jungle morph in the last 6 months. I got this little guy from Adam Chesla, who got him from Pete Kahl. He's het albino to boot, what do you think?

Adam's got some nice Jungles. My Kahl strain super hypo jungle came from him.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

some hypos also have the red tint to the eyes. It's just one of the characterisitcs also commonly seen in jungles. Hope that makes sense!

 

[mxracer4life]

I want to try and simplify this for me and others if I can. An easier way for me to understand the difference between incomplete dominance and co-dominance is to compare flowers. In flowers, incomplete dominance would be like pairing a red (dominant) and white (recessive)flower, each has there own phenotype, and since the red cannot completely block out the white, you would get all pink flowers which would be a 3rd phenotype. And co-dominance is when 2 dominant genes are together (or coincide together), instead of getting pink flowers, you would get white flowers with red dots or so on.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

I'd call the tinge in the eyes of Jungles more of a creamy red. Not really the same intensity that I've seen in Hypos, but softer looking.

 

[mxracer4life]

I'd call the tinge in the eyes of Jungles more of a creamy red. Not really the same intensity that I've seen in Hypos, but softer looking.

Maybe why to me the eye coloring may be more pronounce in a hypo jungle?