Ian at Select Reps... My BAD experience.

[gmherps]

Joe,
Were you out any cash at all then?

 

[GotBoids18]

No I was not out any cash at all. Does that mean I shouldn't do the public a service and let people know about an animal he is currently trying to sell??? Do you think I have a personal issue with Ian?? Do you think I would go out of my way and pay for TWO memberships, just so I could have something to do with my time? He tried selling me an animal, knowing I needed something that would breed and MOST LIKELY produce ASAP. My problem with Ian came about when I felt I could have been out of 4k, if I made the wrong decision. I don't believe one bit that he didn't know she could have a problem, and with his "No show" behavior, I don't have any reason to believe otherwise.

 

[DaveyFig]

I didn't really have time to write out a response on my way out the door this morning, but I did write the one thing I was thinking at the time I saw it. Ian could do the same.
Its strange to me that someone would type up such a long winded email, but doesn't have time to post here.
Had he dropped all of the"I am too busy being Mr.Perfect herp dealer" type junk, It could have been condensed into one paragraph, and posted here a lot quicker than emailing it in it's long form.

 

[DaveyFig]

Actually , there needs to be some clarification on Joe's last reponse I think. Joe had made payment of $1450 before Ian emailed to let him know that the snake he was buying to breed right away was gravid. Granted, the money was returned, but at that point he had nearly half paid off a breedbale hypo, and at that point, Ian had no such animal.

 

[gmherps]

No I was not out any cash at all. Does that mean I shouldn't do the public a service and let people know about an animal he is currently trying to sell??? Do you think I have a personal issue with Ian?? Do you think I would go out of my way and pay for TWO memberships, just so I could have something to do with my time? He tried selling me an animal, knowing I needed something that would breed and MOST LIKELY produce ASAP. My problem with Ian came about when I felt I could have been out of 4k, if I made the wrong decision. I don't believe one bit that he didn't know she could have a problem, and with his "No show" behavior, I don't have any reason to believe otherwise.

Well that's good that you didn't lose out on any cash then.

No it doesn't mean that you shouldn't post YOUR experience here, that's what the BOI is for among other things. I don't believe you have a personal issue with Ian, but it's kind of funny that when people including myself post a good experience with Ian that doesn't matter to you because you COULD HAVE lost money.

My problem with Ian came about when I felt I could have been out of 4k, if I made the wrong decision.

But you weren't out any cash and that's what matters here.

 

[GotBoids18]

But I WOULD have lost money, if I decided to go with her... Ian would have gone through with the deal, he's not the one who decided to keep her, he's not the person who should have said, "Hey, I don't know if you should buy her, she's had some breeding problems". He kept me out of the loop, hoping I'd purchase the hypo. It's like someone pointing a gun, with intentions of shooting you, but it misfires... Does that obsolve a person of all responsibility for the intended action??? No it doesn't, that person will go to jail, to keep them from harming another....

 

[Ed Clark]

Ian

it seems to me,this might be another case of a so called high end broker,maybe forgetting or stretching the truth to make a high dollar sale. and getting caught with the facts? IAN time to step up and try to clear your reputation. yes wes, it smells like tuna. ED CLARK

 

[Zx7trev]

Your awefully excited. I think someone asked how old this boa was? The math didn't add up or something. Di dyou answer this? If I missed it, I am sorry. It sounds like the potential breeder, was too young to breed in the first place. You keep saying that this animal is a known dud, because thats your assumption. I think your making an awefully big deal out of a miscommunication or a misunderstanding on Ian's part. I really don't think he was trying to play you. Right now, your even money, and had to deal with a little hassle, so I would definatly tone down the posts some, your excitement is coming across as anger, is just turning people of to your post. I really do think this is a tad overblwn. I am sorry that you feel you almost got taken, but, I suspect there is more to the story. I don't think your lying, I just think we have only heard one side clearly.

Shawn

 

[ravensgait]

Shawn it's real hard to hear both sides when one side refuses to post here. Don't know why Ian doesn't reply but as has been mentioned here already his lack of response makes you wonder. Randy

 

[GotBoids18]

I don't think you've read the post clearly, take a good look at the first page, all of the information is there... The animal is an 02', and if you take a look at the link to the RTB thread, you will see that she was DEFINITELY gravid just a few months ago, and didn't reproduce.. I know all of the facts about the deal take up the whole first page, but if you're not going to take the time to read what is exactly going on, don't come in and talk about me jumping to conclusions. There was no miscommunication, the communication between Ian and I was ok, it's the information that had a problem... I shouldn't be a little heated or excited, knowing if I had gone with that animal I would be set back 4k?? I will tone it down a bit, I'm sorry, I should be quiet like a good little nobody.. If you suspect there is more to the story, Ian has been called out more than enough times to explain it.

 

[GotBoids18]

Ya know, it's in black and white... Ian fully misrepresented the animal in his first email to me, simple as that... He said she was 7.5' and a 25lb Virgin... On his KS ad, she is listed as 7' and 20lbs... She lost 6" and 5lbs in 2 weeks??? He did not give estimates in his email to me, it was specific height and weight.. And she obviously wasn't a Virgin... Ian told me she didn't even take, he never said she reabsorbed a litter at around 105 days POS a short time ago, which would have turned me off from the start, and this thread would be nonexistent.

 

[Zx7trev]

I did read the initial post. If the animal is a 02, that makes her three this year. Yes it is possible that she could be bred, but she is still young, and you cant call her a Dud just yet. I have an 02 female BCI, she didn't take for me this year either. Is she a dud? I doubt it. Ian should come in and say something on his own, but I understand why he might not want to. It's tough and very time consuming (as in multiple posts over at least two days) to fight an uphill battle. In this case, noone lost any money, and Ian's business won't suffer much, if at all, because he has a very good rep. 1 pseudo-wrong doesn't make him a bad dealer IMHO. I bet he feels the same way, and won't waste the time to respond. I appreciate the warning guys, and I will take any future dealings with Ian a bit more carefully, but thats really the only result you could fairly be looking for isn't it?

Shawn

 

[GotBoids18]

I understand that an 02' animal may not take, but the thing is, SHE DID, and she lost it at around 105 POS.. This would make the animal no matter what age she is, unable to breed at least until next season.. Ian said she was ready now.. I'm not asking for any material thing in return, if I save someone trying to by that hypo with intentions on breeding her now, my job is definitely done.

 

[Zx7trev]

Point well taken Joe. Thanks for clarifying.

Shawn

 

[Wilomn]

1 pseudo-wrong doesn't make him a bad dealer IMHO. I bet he feels the same way, and won't waste the time to respond. Shawn

You have GOT to be kidding....

A PSEUDO WRONG?? A wrong, that in essence, according to your logic, is NOT wrong? Are you a politician in real life?

It's either WRONG or NOT wrong.

He either LIED or did NOT lie.

If he lied about this, what ELSE could/has he lied about?

Everyone who has ever bought something from him is now asking themselves the same thing. What if he had something sick or some one-eyed babies and just never bothered to mention it? What then?

ian's silence is NOT due to his lack of time to respond. It may well be that there is a secret can of worms that he does NOT want opened in public.

Of course, I am overly suspicious and "over the top" but still I am curious why this "good guy" won't come here and dispell the unease that this almost sale has generated.

 

[Zx7trev]

Wes said:

"Of course, I am overly suspicious and "over the top" but still I am curious why this "good guy" won't come here and dispell the unease that this almost sale has generated."

As am I. But I still don't think he will, and I am unwilling to convict a guy just on speculation. Especially over something this small. Its not worth it. The general public has been warned, and we will all be more careful in our dealings with him due to this thread. Aside from him coming here, which he probably won't do, what else do you want?

Shawn

 

[GotBoids18]

As am I. But I still don't think he will, and I am unwilling to convict a guy just on speculation.

Where is the speculation? This thread is about Ian misrepresenting an animal in more ways than one, the factual proof is on the first page supporting my claims... You are the one who is speculating his innocence, you're the one who doesn't have proof of his innocense. That's great you think he's a good guy because of his rep, and in return I hope he doesn't try to take advantage of your trust, as he tried to do with mine..

 

[DaveyFig]

I did read the initial post. If the animal is a 02, that makes her three this year. Yes it is possible that she could be bred, but she is still young, and you cant call her a Dud just yet. I have an 02 female BCI, she didn't take for me this year either. Is she a dud?

While you may have read the first post, you must have missed the supporting facts that followed. While 3 years old is young, a 7.5 ft boa should have very little trouble producing a litter at that age.
It was found out AFTER the fact that she was actually used for breeding in 04 as well, with the same outcome. Power feeding a boa to achieve breeding size at 3 years is bad enough, but trying to use her at 2 years is insane, especially when she doesn't get time off before another attempt is made the following year.I know it wasn't Ian that tried to breed her that young, because he hasn't even had her 2 months yet. However, Joe wasn't buying the animal from anyone except Ian, and it is Ians responsibility as a "good businessman" to share this information. None of this was brought up before the deal at all. In the middle it came up that she "may" be gravid, and it turned out she wasn't. That was enough to back out. Only AFTER Joe backed out of the deal was information found that shows she has a history of 2 false pregnancies, at only 3 years old. It is me belief that that animal is ruined, but if anyone would like to prove me wrong, it will only cost you 4k, an entire breeding season, and the price of whatever male you use to do it.
Again , Joe was not buying an 02 animal that had 2 bad breeding seasons in a row, one that just ended 2 weeks ago.
He was buying a 7.5 ft, 3 year old,ready to breed NOW animal.
A virgin 7.5 ft female, or just a 7.5 ft three year old that just didn't take this year would have been a prime candidate.

 

[MGReptiles]

Well this thread just cost him 2200 smackers.. I was interested in his DH snows, but now there is no way... Sheesh everyone I have checked out here recently has been shady or no one has ever heard of them...
-Matt Graybeal

 

[Jim O]

Well this thread just cost him 2200 smackers.. I was interested in his DH snows, but now there is no way

And so it goes, eh Ian?

Don't you think it would have been worth a few minutes of your time to have come here and defended yourself, or owned up for your screw-up?