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IBD Allen belcher/Big daddys wholesale
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BryonsBoas
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LMAO , Ok , I'll give this one too since someone who publicly stated he don't like ya backed yo up on it.
I was wrong about the rats.
Show me some documented proof about the fire and I'll own up to that too. No prob.
Being a man means alot. Why don't try it sometime and answer the questions asked of ya instead of dodging them.
Now Allen , I want you want you know I'm giggling right now , kinda hard too. Out of all the things I've posted or said about ya there is soooooo very very little you want ( or can prove ) me to admit being wrong too and apologize.
I've shown you to be a thief , liar , scumbag and purveyor of questionable animals and a man whose word is synonymous with crap, all you can find that I'm wrong about is 2 things , 3 maybe if you can show some documented proof.
Yeah , I don't know nothing.
HEE HEE HEE HEEbig daddy's wholesal
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Alright Bryon I had to wait until the fire department opened this morning to finish our conversation. Here's your timeline.
9-9 show in philly
9-18 wholesale building burned
10-27 first hearing of any IBD noise
I put my collection up against anyone elses for care, cleanliness any diseases and so on. The offer goes up here once more if you want to see for yourself insyead so you will know first hand. Call and set up your appointment.
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772
9-9 show in philly
9-18 wholesale building burned
10-27 first hearing of any IBD noise
I put my collection up against anyone elses for care, cleanliness any diseases and so on. The offer goes up here once more if you want to see for yourself insyead so you will know first hand. Call and set up your appointment.
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772
Well answer this question.Where did the boa you sold the young man come from.Was his last name Currie. You know who am I talking about. He is one of your buddies. I have no proof but I was told he has it too. He got it from someone. All of you at Birmingham that have it are doing ya'lls best to hide it.big daddy's wholesal said:
SPJ
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harveysherps said:
Phil Currie has IBD in his collection?
That's a serious accusation especially since he is also advertising animals for sale right now.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
That sounds quite a bit like another anonymous 3rd party quote, to me Wes...not to mention a pretty damning accusation to make based on hearsay.harveysherps said:
Your right. I am not accusing any one. I just wanted to know if it was. You guys just don't realize the talk going on around the Show in Birmingham. That is the only show I can go to. But due to all the bad talk going around. I am afraid to go and sell my reptiles . I just want answers. I am not accusing Phil of anything. Let me get that straight. I just want to know this. If big daddy didn't start the IBD then who did. I took up for Allen on the rats. That was only fair. I am not trying to sling mud. I have a great need to find out about the show. It means the difference in keeping a small business going or going back to being a hobby. My options are running out. I need to know that show is safe. I know they both go to the show. I repeat I am not acccusing anyone of having IBD in their collection. I really don't think Allen is a bad guy. He is just not being honest. In my opinion.Things just don't add up. Him or one of his buddies started the IBD scare. I want to know which one it was. Where did the IBD snake come from? I have 1,000 rats being born in the next 6 weeks and I have no where to go with them. I am not going to lie . I am getting in a bind with these rats. I have been giving them to my friends in the herps industry. I can't keep doing this. That show is the only other out let I have. No lie that is the honest truth about things. I am not perfect myself. I was busted selling Dope almost 3 years ago. I have been in trouble for Selling Box Turtles Illegally. I have nothing to hide. I am willing to lay it all out on the table to keep my Rats going. But I need some questions answered. I believe that Allen knows the answers. There it is go with it.
Look here my point. I will admit my example is nothing to brag about. I am ashamed of what I did now. But the day the Police knocked on my door. The first thing out of his mouth was. " You know people around the community are saying you are selling." . (We all know what it was . So I won't mention it again.) You know what I told him.
" That's Just hear say." It was just hearsay but I brought them to my house. So when enough people talk. It means something. Also just because it's hearsay. Doesn't mean it ain't true. I used the hearsay as a defense too.Some cases it does. I really hope this time it is untrue. Just to set the record straight . I just said Currie. I didn't put a first name to it. Someone else brought Phil's name into this. So whoever posted his name can deal with that one.
" That's Just hear say." It was just hearsay but I brought them to my house. So when enough people talk. It means something. Also just because it's hearsay. Doesn't mean it ain't true. I used the hearsay as a defense too.Some cases it does. I really hope this time it is untrue. Just to set the record straight . I just said Currie. I didn't put a first name to it. Someone else brought Phil's name into this. So whoever posted his name can deal with that one.
SPJ
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harveysherps said:
You said Currie from Alabama.
Name one other Currie that lives in Alabama that goes to to shows and sells reptiles online.
Don't be a
. YOU brought the name up.Either post facts or shut the
up! Enough of the he said she said BS.
Now now you are adding to it. That's probalby how this IBD got started in the first place. I said Currie. Birmingham was refering to the show. I beleive I have made my point about the show clear. I never said anything thing about being from Alabama. People from all over the south go to the show. You mentioned the name and now his location.Sounds like I may need to see how involved you are in this thread. Maybe it's you contorting everything.
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harveysherps said:
Riiiiiiight.... So... why would steve do that exactly? i dont see anyone twisting anything in their favor but you right now.
I doubt very seriously things will be going in my favor. I just don't like words being added. You might as well say I loaded the gun and handed it to everyone to shoot. I am laying out my past. I will own up to anything I have done. If Allen doesn't have IBD I feel like he does know . This I know about Allen. He is a family guy and he spends a lot of time with his kids. When I was contacting him about selling rats. He was always at his sons Ball games. That always came first before talking to me. He was polite and everything about it. We just don't agree on pricing and sizes.I got mad about things later on after our meeting. I won't lie. I do think he knows about the IBD. I do want him to explain things. I do not wish him any Ill Will . I just want the truth to come out. After reading up on him from this site. It just fueled the fire. I am not knocking the site. It is the best thing to happen to the pet trade. This site puts it out there so you can see it all.
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harveysherps said:
when you mention a large and common name ( as there IS another there in birmingham alabama as well. - http://www.zachcurriereptiles.com/) You need to be clear about who you are, or ARE NOT talking about.
Do you mean to say it is this fellow? or is there some other guy that noone else knows yet?
Also, where did you get this information, and do you have proof of it being true.
You need to got back and read again I already answered those questions. I took the points for my post. I said from the get go there was no proof of anything.I could have thrown out several names. I just picked one. If it weren't for the points taken away I would spout another. I get that. I understand. I have explained my actions pretty will. If you feel I have left something out . I will fill in the blanks for you. My main focus is finding out if that show is safe.
BryonsBoas
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big daddy's wholesal said:
I'll go out on a limb here and take you meager word for it.
IF this is the correct timeline then I was wrong about the timeline posted by William about the fire. Thats IF your timeline is correct.
Thats what.....3 things I've been wrong about in this 2 year fiasco? 2 of them minor. LOL Can't be right about everything but reckon my track record here is doing good if these are the only 3 things I was wrong about.
One more time giggly boy, why don't you try being a man and own up to the questions put to you. You've ducked & dodged every important question and even went so far as get paperwork from a vet that means nothing except you have a parasite issue in your wholesale. So in your feeble attempt to try and clear your collection you show health issues in your wholesale. Way to go highspeed.
Out of all your breeding stock why was only 3 shown to have blood drawn? At most if you include the birth matter that still counts less than 10 animals from your collection tested.
Now try that " being a man " thing for yourself or do you have a used snake that was owned by a little old lady on Sundays to sell?
Try not flatter yourself too much by thinking I live and breathe Big Giggly Wholesale. About the only time a thought of you comes around is when I'm dropping an Allen and wiping my Belcher.
SPJ
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harveysherps said:
OK. So you just "picked a name". Real intelligent.
Don't play games. You insinuated that someone named "currie" might be the source of IBD. Since both Zach and Phil live in Alabama and are reptile breeders, who else do you mean would go to the Alabama show named "currie".
Sounds to me like you are spouting a bunch of unsubstantiated BS.
And for your information, I would not buy from Allen because of all of the negative information out there. I also would not buy from people who are partnered with him because I do not want to take that type of risk.
I have no stake in defending Big Daddy.
You on the other hand, appear to have a personal vendetta against Allen and, from the sound of it, other Birmingham vendors.
So that's why you mentioned his name. You don't like anyone connected to Allen either. I don't plan on defending either. If you had left well enough alone . He could have answered by saying no and No ones name would have been mentioned. Just the name Currie. I lost my collection to IBD eight years ago. Maybe I started it. It was my first group of Burmese Pythons. I lost them all. I am not afraid to mention I had IBD. I may still have it. I cleaned everything and waited for 2 years before I started keeping snakes again. So far I haven't had any problems. But I am not denying the fact that . My collection had it at one time. I have never had a complaint filed against me or anything. You seem mad cause I said something good about him. I am not to the point. I can't find something nice to say. So it ain't that personal.
Allen Let me be the first one to say it. I will not post on this topic again. This guy makes me realize that sometimes enough is enough. I'd rather close down and just enjoy my reptiles. Although I don't agree with you or your practices. I finally draw the line. This is as far as I go. I take this moment to publicly apologize to you. Good luck and Keep your nose clean. Cause these guys will definitly be watching.
Allen Let me be the first one to say it. I will not post on this topic again. This guy makes me realize that sometimes enough is enough. I'd rather close down and just enjoy my reptiles. Although I don't agree with you or your practices. I finally draw the line. This is as far as I go. I take this moment to publicly apologize to you. Good luck and Keep your nose clean. Cause these guys will definitly be watching.
SPJ
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harveysherps said:
So now it is my fault that someone else got dragged into this regarding IBD. Um. Yeah. OK.
hhmoore
tired & cranky shadow
Wes, for somebody that isn't the subject of this thread, your story changes an awful lot.
Here, you throw in somebody with the name Currie that you were "told" has IBD, AND insinuate that there are others at the Birmingham show that to as well:
Even if we look away from the IBD angle, there was also
Are you related to a New Englander named Dumas?
Here, you throw in somebody with the name Currie that you were "told" has IBD, AND insinuate that there are others at the Birmingham show that to as well:
Then you say
you went from recanting your statement back to accusations within the same post. Then, it became if Allen doesn't have IBD in his collection, he knows where it came from...and then you decided to spread a little more doubt over your words by saying you just picked a name
And after all that, after YOU mentioned the name Currie, you point at SPJ and accuse him of spreading rumors and adding to it (the problem, the confusion, or both??)
Even if we look away from the IBD angle, there was also
I can understand being worried about bringing your reptiles to a show that you make sound like the IBD Outlet of the South. But then, you seem to be more concerned about needing a place to sell your rats. Business vs hobby, snakes vs rats.
Are you related to a New Englander named Dumas?
Serafim
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harveysherps said:
Wes enough will never be enough. There is a disease in question and to date Allen has tap danced around the issue. He has been asked numerous times to prove his whole collection is clean He has yet to do that. For this reason alone The thread remains open. I think it shows low morals and lack of respect for the herp community to continue selling any animals until he knows his collection is clean. You remember your feelings when you lost your collection. Would you wish that on someone else? Anyone who buys directly or indirectly from Allen stands the chance of passing on IBD to someone else. Allen no offense but this has gone on long enough. Do the right thing and ease everyones mind....