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IBD and Lynn Peterson

Well tired of waiting on the pics that may never come so here is a couple. These are the exact pictures sent to Kevin before he purchased the snake.. As you can see this snake is not emaciated and in horrid condition. I would still like to see some pics from them to compare. I still do not think it’s the same snake as this 1 in question. I think it will come down to 1 of 2 things. A couple of guys on the west coast have it out for Lynn for some reason or someone has the snake mixed up. As to Dan the way I read it you sold 2 of the 3 back to Lynn. Is this the case? I have sent Lynn an e-mail to see if he still has these 2 snakes if he got them back. I know nothing about IBD but if the 1 died from it, would the other 2 clutch mates also have died??

Jim burns
 

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I don't wish any harm, I promise you that

I'm on the west coast, what does that have to do with anything where I reside? I don't have it out for anyone. I don't even know Lynn, and I'm sorry he is in this mess. No one want IBD for god sakes and It's anyones fault if they get it. I see only one thing that I have a problem with and that is Ethics.


Let say you bought a snake from someone and then later you found out that person was invovled in some dealing that someone said that someone had IBD.

Would you be interested to find out?

I wish no one harm by my posting, I'm a mature adult that is just concerned about a WAY IN THE PAST purchase from a man excused of have IBD.
 
Tony you need to go page 1 and start reading.They are saying all this but not willing to offer 1 tiny bit of proof.1 of the people accusing seems to owe lynn money and not willing to pay.Decided he would throw some trash out there to try and make himself look good.The other has waited 9 months to come forward with his claims.He still has not come forward but his buddy has.Not sure how it will all come out in the end but the way i see it is there willing to offer up no proof of any kind.

jim burns
 
The latest news

I spoke with Kevin, he says he was never given a chance to return the boa directly to Lynn. (The pic on the previous page looks to be HIM) He was told by Lynn that Jim would be responcible for the refund since Lynn got the boa from Jim, and Jim said it wasn't his problem.. The closest he came to being able to return the boa was when he was told to ship it to Lynns vet, where Kevin would be responcible for the bill. Lynn was to call Kevin with the vets address and never spoke to Kevin again. He also tells me that there was never a request for pics of the boa..ever. He said "if they wanted pics I could have just had you come over and snap a few".... Kevin basicly got the runaround, untill he quit complaining.

Crying out Liar Liar is ridiculous, is name calling realy necesary? I am not here for the drama.. I am just concerned about these diseased boa's being passed around to the public. I have never had 1 complaint about me or the snakes I sell, I think that says somthing about my integrity.

Kevin has been told about this thread and should chime in, in the next few days.
 
I have read it

Jim, your the breeder of these snakes right?

The deal states that there were 3 boas purchased, where is the other one?
 
That’s pretty close ed. but the boa was to be sent to my vet not lynns.it is true that I was not responsible for the refund but Lynn made it clear that he would cover that part if the snake was sick. He was never told that he would have to pay the vet bills unless it was not an illness. I told him this myself. The only run around was waiting for him to decide if he wanted to return the animal. I do not know when the 2 of them quit talking but the last words I heard from Kevin was that the snake had an upper respiratory infection. Crying liar is not ridiculous. I know for a 100% fact that parts of what you have said are lies. As to name calling, well let’s see, is there anything worse on this planet you could call a person than what you said?? You straight up say Lynn Peterson’s entire collection has IBD. You then come back and say well maybe not, could be something else. I myself have never heard 1 complaint about Lynn other than from a man who admittedly owes him money and refuses to pay him and you. A person who has never done business with him. I will admit I have never heard anything bad about you or your snakes. If I knew you and someone jumped up and said I heard from a friend that ED LILLYS entire collection of boas has IBD but offered no proof I would also jump in to defend you. It will be great for Kevin to get in here and offer up some proof. I’m sure he has copies of vet work for what you have accused.

Jim burns
 
Tony you are still lost and confused. Nowhere has it been said that I was the breeder and I indeed was not. On the 1.2 of the other deal, well the way I understand it is they were sold back to Lynn..

Jim burns
 
I'm not confused LOL

This thread may have a link Since Mike Kline got the boas from Lynn Paterson, inwhich he got them from you, is that correct Jim?
 
i guess i'm lost.is this what you said ?

RTBoas said:
Well, I just spoke to Mike Klein and he bought 10 boas from the same clutch from Lynn Paterson. He does not have IBD, and he sold all boas but one, and doesn't have IBD eirther.

This is what he said to me in a phone conversation.

Thanks.
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i don't breed or sell nics at this time or in the past.
jim burns
 
Well shoot

I'm sorry everyone for not looking closer at these two clutch evidently they are not form the same clutch as I thought.

Sorry again, hope you all can forgive me :dunce:
 
No worries, Tony, it *IS* getting confusing. Like I said in an earlier post, I believe the only situation that has yet to be addressed is Daniel's. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for those pics and the vet reports to be posted today.
 
C'mon, Daniel.

The snake died a month ago. A week ago you posted that you had confirmed IBD reports. You were going to post them as soon as you had them. Where are they?

Where are the pictures of that dead animal?

In your first post, you said
This man is the same person Mike Klein got the abberant jungle like boas from as well
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and that turned out to not be the case. Who told you that, Daniel?

You've made several inaccurate statements that if taken at face value would have strengthened the belief that there's IBD in Lynn's stock. You've been asked to provide additional details, and chosen not to. Those actions have cost you some credibility in my eyes. I realize your thought process is that you'll sell your animals wholesale and not need a reputation, so I'm fairly certain you don't give a rat's behind whether I think you're credible or not.

Yet it's gnawing at me that such a serious accusation can be leveled and no responsibility taken for it.

I've reiterated several times in this thread that the accusation of IBD in someone's collection is about as serious a statement as can be made in the herp world. I'm a patient person by nature, but you need to back up your statements or recant them.

You've bet, you've raised, and now it's time to show your cards.
 
My name is Dan Gorfain (DGReptiles). I hope I am not adding to the confusion here. I originally posted the 'IBD and Chameleon Condo' string here, as well as reptiforum (please see the previous posts on this subject). I won't repeat the details, but I bought three boas from Mike Klein at the end of september 2004. They all came with respiratory infections and 'clicking' sound in throat. The 'nic' looking one with the striped tail died shortly after I received it and was verified to have IBD inclusions. Dr. Elliott Jacobson recieved the liver of the deceased boa and concurred with the findings. The other two are no longer in my collection. Before Mike Klein stopped talking to me, He told me he was keeping the 'males' and 'females' in two different tubs. That would mean all the 'female', 'genetic, co-dom, jungle' boas in that tub would have been exposed to IBD. Doesn't necesarily mean they have it (although chances are they do), but they were definitely exposed. Where did the IBD originally come from? Who knows?! The important thing is to be on alert and NOT to try to cover this up. The 'nic' looking one died from IBD but it could have caught it from any snake it had contact with, especially if the seller or breeder has unclean facilities and no quarrantine procedures. It may have just been the weakest snake. We don't know where the nics (or CA's) came from, as Mike has not chosen to bless us with this information. Apparently Mike does not breed the snakes, so it came from someone elses collection. Maybe a sick adult boa that was in and out of the same tubs the babies were in.....maybe the 'nics', who knows. With a lot of 'traffic' asociated with buying/reselling it would be hard to tell. For whatever reason, Mike did not feel it necessary to notify anyone of the inherent danger of that litter, refund my money, return my emails/calls or even respond to any of these threads. Mike also sold all of these boas as genetic siblings, which apparently they are not even the same species. One litter is a CA and the other is a BCI. Sounds like he was 'upping' the value of the CA's by saying they were genetic BCI, co-dom, jungles like the other litter from Lynn Peterson. Other than saving a few bucks, I don't know why Mike chose to cover all this up. This type of attitude only spreads disease, and is bad for the business, EVERYONE included, EVEN if you just buy/resell and don't have the snakes in your possesion for very long. I will post the pics (again) and a scan of the necropsy report. Hmm....it won't let me post the pics or scan...For now, please see the other thread if you want to see pics of the snakes.

Dan Gorfain
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Daniel has, as he stated he would in another thread, emailed me a vet report. It's too large to post here (it was sent in .bmp format, and even in .jpg it's over 1 MB per page) but I'll email it to anyone who is interested.

Before I say anything, let me say that there has been no photo shown, and there is no way to verify whether the animal referenced in this report is indeed the animal received from Lynn Peterson. However, there are some discrepancies that I will address.

For the sake of this post, I will add the content of the documents from Dan, verbatim, with quotation marks as necessary.

In the first page of this thread, Daniel states:
One day about a month ago I went to feed them,when I pulled out the tub of one of the females she was dead.
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The vet report states :
It ate yesterday and there is food in the stomach.
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Which leads me to ask why you attempted to feed a snake that had eaten only the day before?

Daniel states (on 12/29):
I recieved a 1.2 trio of abberant snakes a few months back
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The vet report states:
Age: 4 months
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and
This snake was bought 3 months ago
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The date of this vet report is November 15, 2004.

The veterinarian listed is in California. Did the snake eat, die and get shipped to California on the same day?

The report is unsigned.

Daniel, I appreciate you sending the report. Can you shed a little more light on the issues above?
 
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