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IBD disease / My ball and my boas

Most likely smart enough not to attempt a sale with any Fauna tracks attached :ack2:
No doubt about the Vet. thing :rofl: :eek:



SPJ said:
They want to know his full name so people know who to avoid if he ever has animals for sale.

I just had to laugh about his last name being Clark. Another Clark with sick snakes and a suspicious vet. :D
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Metachrosis said:
Most likely smart enough not to attempt a sale with any Fauna tracks attached :ack2:
No doubt about the Vet. thing :rofl: :eek:
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No Doubt right! Mike, I need to ask you a few Questions! If you dont mind?


JOHN
I AM LETTING GO SOME MORE OF MY SNAKES, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST.


1.1 rtb 6 FT + TAME EATING F/T
1.0 BALL PYTHON EATS F/T 30"

LET ME KNOW!

MIKE
 
jasballs said:
JOHN
I AM LETTING GO SOME MORE OF MY SNAKES, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST.


1.1 rtb 6 FT + TAME EATING F/T
1.0 BALL PYTHON EATS F/T 30"

LET ME KNOW!

MIKE
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Hey John,
I bet he'll give you a really good price. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
SPJ said:
Hey John,
I bet he'll give you a really good price. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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LMAO!! After reading this thread. He never said How the ball died. I wonder if he uthinized it himself? It was probably just a spider!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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Originally Posted by Dennis Hultman
Was that before 10/12 ?


I think so. Like 10/8? I'll check..
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Okay, then what's the point? He had ads here then also so it is no secret he had animals for sale.
 
Previous post:
"The test that should have been done to these blood samples was the Buffy coat. Why they didn't do that, I ain't sure. It's standard when looking for IBD in blood samples. They stain it with H&E, Diff Quik, or Wright's Giemsa and look directly at the cell's cytoplasma for inclusions.

My vet says this, and My book says it too. Sorta curious why they didn't. Could not your vet ask the lab to retest the sample that returned negative and do the Buffy coat? If all they have is blood to work with, than it should be done."

My response:

I just spoke to my vet and the Buffy coat was done it was part of the "CBC with differential" The vet is not in today, so his asst. is sending me the whole list of tests that were used.
 
To whom ever stated that a live specimen would be good for research.....Too many posts to look through. I would be willing to do this. Who, which lab would be good. I have no idea about that, but I am open to suggestions.
 
mjcnj said:
Please I have an appt. tomorrow to get them put down! The clock is ticking
please to anyone who knows or knows someone who can give me insight, please do.

Thanks
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Seems you misspoke yourself here if your boas are still alive and available for research.

The thing about being caught in a lie is, after you've been caught, how can you expect anything you say subsequently to be believed?

So, with that said, what's the deal? Are you having them put down or not?
What happened to the appointment to put them down?
 
As far as a second opinion of sorts, I spoke to my vet and he is going to speak with the lab. I do not know what he will be looking to do, but he said lets wait untill he can speak with them.
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Post number 123 above.
 
On a final note, all of my classifieds have been deleted, i finally found out how to do it.

I will be euthanizing my snakes this weekend.

PLEASE if anyone knows of a lab that would take a live specimen, I would be willing to discuss it. I would not want the snake to be tortured though.

To all of you who had constructive and supportive advice, thanks!

To the others, your responses have been nothing but immature rants of angry people who look to prey on people as oppose to help them. Your efforts could only be seen as to de-legitimize this site as the valuable resource that it is.

To all boa owners, I was attacked because I questioned why I could not keep my boas that were diagnosed with IBD. I was not aware of the enormity of IBD, and I was quick to be told. But, I raised these snakes from 18" to 8ft and I was willing to do what it would have taken to see them through. But after all this, they will be put down. I was given the reason WHY and I am doing the right thing. The fact is that your snakes could have it and you may not know it. Knowing sooner then later is best. Get them tested.

I will be starting over and I will only deal with reputable breeders. I will quarantine the animal for 1 year, separate holding room. I will have every single snake tested within the first week of it coming home. I will then have it tested 6 months later. If the snake comes back with a positive result, I will have it retested. The cost of the test can not be seen as prohibitive, it has to be seen as a necesary step of reptile ownership, business or hobby. If the results of the blood work are conclusive I will make everyone aware of the results and let this site know who sold it and where it came from.

What else is there to do? How do we stop this? I suggest this coarse of action for any person buying a boa from anyone.

If any breeder or anyone knows of a breeder who has there breeders tested as a standard operating procedure, let it be known, I will by my snakes from you!

Very happy to put this behind me!

Mike
 
Wilomn, No you missed a post somehwere, my vet told me to wait and he will speak to the lab to get more info! I have reset the appt for this Saturday, that is unless I am advised he wants to do more testing.
 
mjcnj said:
Wilomn, No you missed a post somehwere, my vet told me to wait and he will speak to the lab to get more info! I have reset the appt for this Saturday, that is unless I am advised he wants to do more testing.
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I didn't miss it, just wasn't sure that was what you meant.

IF you do as you say you have, and can prove that you have done as you say you will, you will have an excellent business that I would purchase from.

There will be no shortage of people who WANT to do business with someone who goes through the lengths you have outlined, especially as more is learned about who has IBD and how long they've had it.

I wish you well.

I have one albino male currently very busy breeding a poss. het female. IF I get any albino babies I'll make you a sweet deal on one.

Good luck and I'm sorry for your loss, it sucks bigtime.
 
Wilomn said:
IF you do as you say you have, and can prove that you have done as you say you will, you will have an excellent business that I would purchase from.
There will be no shortage of people who WANT to do business with someone who goes through the lengths you have outlined, especially as more is learned about who has IBD and how long they've had it.
I wish you well.
Good luck and I'm sorry for your loss, it sucks bigtime.
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I second that. A person that would go thru this rather than ignore the issue like some have done is one of the people that deserve peoples business.
 
mjcnj said:
On a final note, all of my classifieds have been deleted, i finally found out how to do it.

I will be euthanizing my snakes this weekend.

PLEASE if anyone knows of a lab that would take a live specimen, I would be willing to discuss it. I would not want the snake to be tortured though.

To all of you who had constructive and supportive advice, thanks!

To the others, your responses have been nothing but immature rants of angry people who look to prey on people as oppose to help them. Your efforts could only be seen as to de-legitimize this site as the valuable resource that it is.

To all boa owners, I was attacked because I questioned why I could not keep my boas that were diagnosed with IBD. I was not aware of the enormity of IBD, and I was quick to be told. But, I raised these snakes from 18" to 8ft and I was willing to do what it would have taken to see them through. But after all this, they will be put down. I was given the reason WHY and I am doing the right thing. The fact is that your snakes could have it and you may not know it. Knowing sooner then later is best. Get them tested.

I will be starting over and I will only deal with reputable breeders. I will quarantine the animal for 1 year, separate holding room. I will have every single snake tested within the first week of it coming home. I will then have it tested 6 months later. If the snake comes back with a positive result, I will have it retested. The cost of the test can not be seen as prohibitive, it has to be seen as a necesary step of reptile ownership, business or hobby. If the results of the blood work are conclusive I will make everyone aware of the results and let this site know who sold it and where it came from.

What else is there to do? How do we stop this? I suggest this coarse of action for any person buying a boa from anyone.

If any breeder or anyone knows of a breeder who has there breeders tested as a standard operating procedure, let it be known, I will by my snakes from you!

Very happy to put this behind me!

Mike
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Mike,

I think many of the posts you see as simply "angry people preying on other people" are simply from people who are very tired, and scared of, people who DO know the ramifications of IBD in their collection, but choose to ignore it and then go on selling, putting everyone else at larger risk. Knowing the pain you are going through right now, I hope you can understand why these folks get upset....they just don't want to see other people and animals have to go through this just because of someone else's greed or self-chosen ignorance.

That said, I'm glad to see you are making the right choices now that you do have more information, and am very sorry for your losses, and I do wish you the best of luck in the future.
 
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