Info In response to Natalie Beacom

[Rextiles]

I believe that was in reference to the post by King of Colubrids within that same thread

Ok, I see, part of her comments were related to this thread: http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/4629-new-pics-3.html

It still leaves some of her other comments to be scrutinized more closely as most of what she writes is so ambiguous and incoherent. Oh well

 

[deborahbroadus]

Hm, this just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/charlet_2007.html

And who pray tell is she referring to? The only person that "stepped in and used [her] name" was her husband Aaron from his own admission which ultimately got her account "band". And she's "not the only person they've done [sic] this too"? I think she's got her tin foil hat on 2 sizes too tight. And the sad thing is, she seems to be sucking more people into her lies and self-perpetuating drama.


No Natalie, you've done this all to yourself. Grow up and learn to take some serious responsibility for your own actions instead of shoveling the crap way past your comfort zone.

Again, who is this mystery guy she keeps alluding to? Is this Aaron she's now crying to people about, is this the same person that "stepped in and used [her] name? It's amazing how easily she passes the blame on to everybody else except herself.

I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt considering all the damage control that Aaron has tried to do whilst in a very precarious predicament, but honestly, this woman will just not cease and desist. If this is her husband that she keeps alluding to, it even shows to what extent she'll crap on her family just to keep her own hands clean. If it's not, I wonder who the hell she's talking about since it's in direct correlation to someone using her account here on the BOI.


Bi Rascal? Does this mean her step sister is part raccoon or something? If anything, Natalie is 100% rascal, all skunk! What a moron!

Ahhh..now you see how it goes?

I, personally, don't think she's going to be stopping anything. Regardless of whether it was done yesterday afternoon..the husband had said she would stop prior to that and I see that she STILL has herself labeled as a rescue.

And she's messing with Chuck, of all of us that posted on her, she seems to have a thing for Chuck alone. Ya big hunk you!

 

[Envius]

Read the date on that post. It was posted yesterday afternoon...LONG before all of the recent admissions and apologies came about.

I believe Aaron is trying to make things right. If she listens to no one else, she may listen to his reasoning, and make an effort to rescue what little she has left of her own integrity.

Don't be so quick to slay someone. Give her a chance to make things right.

She may not deserve a whole lot, but she at least deserves the opportunity to make things right.

My opinion only...

thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt

 

[King_of_Colubrids]

thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt

Hey, I'm a softie. The benefit of the doubt is free. Making things right is going to take a lot of hard work...

You see how deep this hole is, now, right? She is going to need to go to a LOT of people and make things right...on other forums and everywhere else that she has spread lies and tried to make the people here look bad...

 

[King_of_Colubrids]

Oh, and yes, for those that missed it, I go by "tyflier" at the Thamnophis.com forums and several other forums around. I replied to Natalie in the Thamnophis.com thread, and I also provided the link to this thread and the other one privately to people that asked after it was originally deleted from my post...

 

[Envius]

I'm no psychologist or anything, but lets assume for a moment that the way you talk about your wife in this thread around total strangers is the way you talk to her around the house and around your children. I'm not trying to find an excuse for your wife's behavior, because I liked ragging on her. But certainly its my feeling from all your posts that most of her troubles could directly stem from you.

Let me tell you why I think that....

Earlier on you said that you would not give your wife the money to send in the applications to become an actual 501 c 3 rescue. You wouldn't even give her the money to have a professional website made. But yet its quite apparent that you sink thousand into pimping junk cars to show them off at car shows just to win your silly ass trophies. How about her dreams and ambitions? Why do you set yourself up for 100% success and her for disaster?

I think the answer to those questions is fairly obvious. In your own words, "she isn't smart enough to figure it out". She cant figure out that you come first and she comes last. That your projects are more important than hers.

Again, not defending her actions, but maybe in her mind she had legitimate reasons to lie. Maybe she just didn't want to let go of her dream to be an actual rescue.

You do have a good point while you might think that's 100% true you don't have all the facts. If you truly knew everything about my wife then you would understand why i don't give her money for these things.
but ill give you a few quick facts
Bill since i know you dont know all the facts im going to lay it like this....

Also i recommend you talk to your friend Serafim on here. Me and him had a hour + phone conversation last night. I explained alot of things to him. If you ask him im sure hell tell you whats going on. It might clear some things up.

Yes i do spend money on my car...the car you posted i have not had since 2005 - ill agree that car was junk - i didn't spend much on it at all
The car i have now is far from junk and has been on front pages of many major websites and in lowrider magazine and yes i have won multiple shows and collected a shelf full of trophies. While i did spend quite a bit on that car you have to know WHEN i spent the money on the car. I put this car together for the most part in 05 and 06 - spending quite a bit on it...I wanted to get the car done before my kids were older and wouldn't be able to afford much on it. since 2006 i have done nothing more than simple upgrades and maintenance . I have been working on cars since before i met my wife. She has only been wanting this so called "rescue" the past year. During this past year i have spent less than a thousand on my car.



Right now the only thing comes first is my kids. I have worked my butt off for them this past few weeks so my daughter can have a good birthday come the 20th and both kids can have a great Christmas



Honestly i had no clue she was digging this grave of hers till earlier this week when all this started. I honestly didn't know that shes goes from site to site advertising crap and talking to what seems to be the same people on every site which links back to here. Furthermore i had no clue what was on her website. Ive never went through and read it. I knew it existed due to her talking about it. I never knew what all she had on it.

All i wanted to do was come on here and apologize for my actions because at the time i got caught up in the heat of the moment and said some stupid things. After learning what i have the past few days i have found my wife is in the wrong and the things she says needs to stop. Im doing my best to make that happen.

All i would like now is for this thread to be stopped. Ive realized alot more the last few days than i think i wanted to. Ive said sorry over and over and its only been accepted by a hand full of people, which i appreciate and understand why others are reluctant to accept the apology.

Bill, from what ive read you enjoy running people into the ground, i guess that makes you what you are. So once again you have won. Take it how you want. The sites down and im working on removing all her signatures and access to any forums. We will no longer take in any animals. This is over.

 

[MikeCurtin]

She cant figure out that you come first and she comes last.

Or sometimes not at all, baby!

Yeah, I know, I couldn't resist.

 

[deborahbroadus]

thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt

Hi..not to rake up coals...but you do understand that giving YOU the benefit of a doubt is not the same as giving your wife the benefit of a doubt?

I see that she has changed the signature, but I was disappointed to see that she ran there and lied on Chuck. She needs to retract the statement about Fauna, no one has changed her words, and the ones that come under the gun at Fauna are the ones that attempt to:

1. Insult the intelligence of the members here by telling outrageous lies and sticking to them after being given every opportunity to stop lying.

2. Try to scam (get something by lying or misrepresentation) others.

3. Play word and mental games in an effort to misdirect attention from their own lies and fraudent business practices.


Please be aware that many of us are on other forums, tell your wife that I have discovered quite a few friends on the garter forum and will be joining it. I have no interest in anything she does beyond the lying about being a rescue, so I wanted this out there so that she doesn't start a post about someone "stalking" her.

Tell her she really needs to retract what she said about Chuck because all Chuck did was hold up a mirror so she could see herself, and she brought it on herself. She needs to STOP..just stop blaming others for her own silliness. Personally, I think she's her own worse enemy...but as I understand it from reading..she's now blaming YOU for the threads (since it couldn't possibly be anyone else taking over her computer, so it's no longer clear any at which point she stopped posting and it was all you making up lies.

Anything directed at me is over, but the business practice ethics remain. Good luck.

p.s. Have y'all thought about marriage counseling? See what Chuck does is not 'insult' for the sake of insulting, but brings out to the light what is revealed in print..and 9 times out of 10, he is spot on.

 

[critical bill]

Hi..not to rake up coals...but you do understand that giving YOU the benefit of a doubt is not the same as giving your wife the benefit of a doubt?

I see that she has changed the signature, but I was disappointed to see that she ran there and lied on Chuck. She needs to retract the statement about Fauna, no one has changed her words, and the ones that come under the gun at Fauna are the ones that attempt to:

1. Insult the intelligence of the members here by telling outrageous lies and sticking to them after being given every opportunity to stop lying.

2. Try to scam (get something by lying or misrepresentation) others.

3. Play word and mental games in an effort to misdirect attention from their own lies and fraudent business practices.


Please be aware that many of us are on other forums, tell your wife that I have discovered quite a few friends on the garter forum and will be joining it. I have no interest in anything she does beyond the lying about being a rescue, so I wanted this out there so that she doesn't start a post about someone "stalking" her.

Tell her she really needs to retract what she said about Chuck because all Chuck did was hold up a mirror so she could see herself, and she brought it on herself. She needs to STOP..just stop blaming others for her own silliness. Personally, I think she's her own worse enemy...but as I understand it from reading..she's now blaming YOU for the threads (since it couldn't possibly be anyone else taking over her computer, so it's no longer clear any at which point she stopped posting and it was all you making up lies.

Anything directed at me is over, but the business practice ethics remain. Good luck.

p.s. Have y'all thought about marriage counseling? See what Chuck does is not 'insult' for the sake of insulting, but brings out to the light what is revealed in print..and 9 times out of 10, he is spot on.

Deb, could you post a link to the thread on that site? I havent read it and cant seem to find it.

thanks, and thanks for the support and kind words.

 

[King_of_Colubrids]

Aaron, I'm going to agree with Deborah.

YOU have made an effort to make things right. For that I give YOU the benefit of the doubt. Your wife...she needs to realize what's happening.

This forum works BECAUSE of people like Chuck(critical bill) not in spite of him. This forum is here to give people an opportunity to discuss the ethics and morals of individuals conducting business in this hobby. Sometimes people get confronted, and imeediately turn things around and make it right. Those threads don't last long. Other times people get confronted, and they back pedal and lie to make themselves look better or feel better, and the threads turn into monsters. That is what happened here with Natalie.

Had she simply admitted she was wrong and apologised from the beginning...the original thread would have died a quick and painless death. Instead, she chose to lie, back pedal, make excuses, misdirect and redirect the members here, insult, and bash. THAT is what brought about the confrontation with Chuck and others.

Natalie obviously does not realize how small the internet is. On top of that, the herp community is but a tiny fraction of web-space. The same people on the same forums and sites. It is VERY easy to trip yourself up and be caught in a lie or unethical practice. THAT is what happened. She does not realize that it is her own words and actions that caused these threads to spiral ever downward. Hopefully, she realizes that she is being watched on the other forums she participates on. Not because we are stalking her, but because some of us honestly and truly care about the integrity and honesty in the business practices of the herp community.

The bottom line is that most of us couldn't care less what goes on in your home amongst yourself and your family. What we care about is the publicity of OUR community and the integrity of OUR public persona.

It only takes a few bad priests to give the entire Catholic church a bad reputation. Likewise, it only takes a couple of unscrupulous businesses to give the entire herp-business community a bad reputation. Unfortuantely, the herp community is MUCH smaller, and has nary a fraction of the history upon which to stand.

These sorts of things hurt all of us in the long run. THAT is what needs to be stopped. If every person doing business in this community did so with the utmost respect and integrity...the BOI wouldn't exist...it wouldn't be NEEDED.

But it is here. And it is packed full of people from all walks of life with one common goal...honesty and integrity inside the community.

Natalie needs to make things right. SHE is the one that was brought into question, and SHE is the one that needs to backtrack her footsteps and make things right, in every comment and on every forum that she chose to lie about the rest of us...

 

[King_of_Colubrids]

Here, Chuck:

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/4629-new-pics.html

Enjoy...

It's locked now, and my link to the original BOI thread here was removed...

 

[critical bill]

Here, Chuck:

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/4629-new-pics.html

Enjoy...

It's locked now, and my link to the original BOI thread here was removed...

Thank you sir.

 

[critical bill]

I'm guessing the thread in question was the one that they removed.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deb, could you post a link to the thread on that site? I havent read it and cant seem to find it.

thanks, and thanks for the support and kind words.

Post 32 refers to the post that has been deleted. The link was copied earlier..You may have already seen it..it's not a new one.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/charlet_2007.html Her public profile where she carried on the conversation off the forum....I don't know how to do screen shots.



Showing Visitor Messages 1 to 2 of 2 12-09-2008 02:15 PMCharlet_2007
thank you... they band me half way thu me trying to fight with them re worded my words and someone else stepped in and used my name to keep the thread going im not the only person they've do this too.. after this i doubt i'll rescue because one they have made me look bad.. and to its in up hill slide all the way.. Im just SOOOO sorry that you had to see his tantrum.. I've NEVER been raciest in my life my step sister is bi rascal i love her to death.. just this has kicked me hard..

Report 12-09-2008 02:10 PMolive oil
For what it is worth, I think that was done in very poor taste!!!!
I have lost respect for that guy. He seems to like to create drama.
I used to think he was very interesting, not any more, just plain rude.
Just to let you know I don't think any less of you.
So sorry. I think it should be removed.
Zoe

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[critical bill]

Honestly i had no clue she was digging this grave of hers till earlier this week when all this started. I honestly didn't know that shes goes from site to site advertising crap and talking to what seems to be the same people on every site which links back to here. Furthermore i had no clue what was on her website. Ive never went through and read it. I knew it existed due to her talking about it. I never knew what all she had on it.

Precisely my point in my earlier post. In order to have a clue you have to care, you have to be genuinely interested. By your own admission you just didn't care and weren't interested in what she was doing. You seem to think you are a whole lot smarter than her, so perhaps if you took some actual interest in what was important to her - most of whats occured could have been avoided.

For example: You stated "shes goes from site to site advertising crap". Crap? Perhaps to you this is crap, but its animals she is advertising, and that is her passion. In essence her passion means crap to you.

But that's your relationship problem to work out, not mine.

 

[critical bill]

Post 32 refers to the post that has been deleted. The link was copied earlier..You may have already seen it..it's not a new one.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/charlet_2007.html Her public profile where she carried on the conversation off the forum....I don't know how to do screen shots.



Showing Visitor Messages 1 to 2 of 2 12-09-2008 02:15 PMCharlet_2007
thank you... they band me half way thu me trying to fight with them re worded my words and someone else stepped in and used my name to keep the thread going im not the only person they've do this too.. after this i doubt i'll rescue because one they have made me look bad.. and to its in up hill slide all the way.. Im just SOOOO sorry that you had to see his tantrum.. I've NEVER been raciest in my life my step sister is bi rascal i love her to death.. just this has kicked me hard..

Report 12-09-2008 02:10 PMolive oil
For what it is worth, I think that was done in very poor taste!!!!
I have lost respect for that guy. He seems to like to create drama.
I used to think he was very interesting, not any more, just plain rude.
Just to let you know I don't think any less of you.
So sorry. I think it should be removed.
Zoe

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Aha! Thank you, now I see.

Interestingly enough, the other poster is named ZOE. Thats the same name she used to create a bogus account here, and the same name she uses on her photobucket account.

Me thinks she has pretend friends. With a husband like Aaron, that's not hard to imagine.

 

[coheed196]

Aha! Thank you, now I see.

Interestingly enough, the other poster is named ZOE. Thats the same name she used to create a bogus account here, and the same name she uses on her photobucket account.

Me thinks she has pretend friends. With a husband like Aaron, that's not hard to imagine.

Good eye old wise one.

 

[Envius]

Precisely my point in my earlier post. In order to have a clue you have to care, you have to be genuinely interested. By your own admission you just didn't care and weren't interested in what she was doing. You seem to think you are a whole lot smarter than her, so perhaps if you took some actual interest in what was important to her - most of whats occured could have been avoided.

For example: You stated "shes goes from site to site advertising crap". Crap? Perhaps to you this is crap, but its animals she is advertising, and that is her passion. In essence her passion means crap to you.

But that's your relationship problem to work out, not mine.

by "crap" i meant the lies and other things she has stated....my relationship is my buisness....thats that

 

[deborahbroadus]

Aha! Thank you, now I see.

Interestingly enough, the other poster is named ZOE. Thats the same name she used to create a bogus account here, and the same name she uses on her photobucket account.

Me thinks she has pretend friends. With a husband like Aaron, that's not hard to imagine.

"I'm gonna sit right down
and write myself a letter,
and make believe it came from you..."

this little ditty popped into my head!

 

[critical bill]

by "crap" i meant the lies and other things she has stated....my relationship is my buisness....thats that

So you meant she was "advertising lies"? That don't make sense at all.

Why do you always seem to have an excuse for your poor choice of words? How can anyone really decipher what your actual intent is here when nine out of ten times you're apologizing or attempting to clarify what you've said but didn't really mean to say? You're a grown man, say what you mean and mean what you say.

I already said your relationship was your business. So, you're being a bit defensive in reiterating to me what I've already said, which hints that I've hit upon some truths and its annoying you.

Try living up to your wedding vows pal. Do you remember them? "In the presence of God, our family and friends, I offer you my solemn vow to be your faithful partner in sickness and in health, in good times and in bad, and in joy as well as in sorrow. I promise to love you unconditionally, to support you in your goals, to honor and respect you, to laugh with you and cry with you, and to cherish you for as long as we both shall live". Well those were mine, but I'm sure they do vary.

Thank God you're not my husband, I would kill you.