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(Inguiry)Rare Pythons

Connie,

At this point, WC and gravid females I would bet none of the 200 are eating.

Going from noob to keeping hundreds of wild caught GRAVID females is unwise. It's true that the importing of wild caught ball pythons doesnt need to continue on a large scale with the availability and gene pool already in America. You saw that it was cheaper and went with that.
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The point is that it's of economic interest for Ghana, Togo, and Benin. Unless the U.S. bans the importation of balls I don't see that happening in the short term from the other side of the ocean.

Best regards.
 
Because you wanted to spend the least amount of money.... Quantity over quality. That was your first step into this business...

~Connie Silvernaile
 
littleindiangirl said:
And really that's my point. You saw dollar signs and didn't read the find print. If you took time to find out how to make a breeder rack and set up husbandry, why couldn't you spend time reading posts from dozens of people dealing with WC animals?

This isn't a secret that WC are hard to acclimate and maintain. So why did you decide on WC gravid females?? Why not buy CBB wholesale from a large scale breeder that have the stock and give you a better chance of succes?

If you saw the business venture and were willing to throw thousands of dollars on a gamble, why not minimize your financial risk by buying a low-risk animal and doing the homework on the basics?
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I didn't understand the nature of it and was more than a bit misguided by what I read and heard. Either way as screwed up or as large a mistake as I may have made, that still has no relevance to me scamming anyone.
 
The BoidSmith said:
Connie,

At this point, WC and gravid females I would bet none of the 200 are eating.



The point is that it's of economic interest for Ghana, Togo, and Benin. Unless the U.S. bans the importation of balls I don't see that happening in the short term from the other side of the ocean.

Best regards.
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That is true in many respects, if America isn't the number one importer, then I'm sure there are many European countries waiting in line.
 
rarepythons said:
I didn't understand the nature of it and was more than a bit misguided by what I read and heard. Either way as screwed up or as large a mistake as I may have made, that still has no relevance to me scamming anyone.
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I don't recall me ever accusing you of scamming; just blinded by opportunity.

~Connie Silvernaile
 
If you were only planning on selling the hets you purchased from Joe and Tom then why did your site say you had 12+ each of the albino and pieds available - we see the paperwork from Joe and you only got 4 het albinos and 1 het pied - I can't imagine at this time Tom would have 8 het albino and 11 het pied females sitting around. Why no mention of who produced them and what paperwork were you planning on including?
 
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rarepythons said:
Yes I'm a newbie, but I did some reading on how to build the racks from the web. I am not selling hets I produced, only a few i purchased, and I have the paperwork for them. Either way I've already said I'm not going to sell any hets period for quite some time b/c of the question of my character by this thread.
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I can guarantee you will be unable to sell those "hets" you purchased and were trying to resell them.Why might you ask? Your lack of quarantine practices ;) .
 
Retro- and lenti- viral based genetics???

I am curious, in the photo of your "lab" there is a sign that says retro- and lentiviral genetics. This material usually falls under a BSL (biosafety level) 2 rating, which by the looks of your photo would not meet this criteria. I would think you would have to be state certified to deal with this material. In addition, to work with this material you usually have to have more than a 4 year degree. So, I have a couple of questions for you

What is your current level of education?

Who are the researchers that you have working for you? Maybe I know them.

Lastly, what would you being using viral vectors for with a python egg? The only thing I can think of would be to try and deliver a gene or to silence a gene, both of which take some time to optimize the protocols and as you would guess both of which would require a state certified BSL 2 lab. In addition, wouldn't the use of live animals(python) or animal materials(python egg) require oversight by an institutional animal care and use committee (IACUC)?

If you are in fact doing some genetic work I would love to hear some of the technical aspects. Our lab works with the majority of this technology to study cancer biology.

Michael Hance
 
ToshaMc said:
If you were only planning on selling the hets you purchased from Joe and Tom then why did your site say you had 12+ each of the albino and pieds available - we see the paperwork from Joe and you only got 4 het albinos and 1 het pied - I can't imagine at this time Tom would have 8 het albino and 11 het pied females sitting around. Why no mention of who produced them and what paperwork were you planning on including?
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In the actual shopping cart the only ones listed were the ones I had paperwork for. The same is true with the kingsnake ad I had running. IF I had sold the ones on had I was going to order drop shipping from CG, see earlier correspondence.
 
joepythons said:
I can guarantee you will be unable to sell those "hets" you purchased and were trying to resell them.Why might you ask? Your lack of quarantine practices ;) .
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I will be surprised if he can sell any! CH, WC whatever... I take quarantine very seriously as do most people with any size collection.

~Connie Silvernaile
 
geckos70 said:
I am curious, in the photo of your "lab" there is a sign that says retro- and lentiviral genetics. This material usually falls under a BSL (biosafety level) 2 rating, which by the looks of your photo would not meet this criteria. I would think you would have to be state certified to deal with this material. In addition, to work with this material you usually have to have more than a 4 year degree. So, I have a couple of questions for you

What is your current level of education?

Who are the researchers that you have working for you? Maybe I know them.

Lastly, what would you being using viral vectors for with a python egg? The only thing I can think of would be to try and deliver a gene or to silence a gene, both of which take some time to optimize the protocols and as you would guess both of which would require a state certified BSL 2 lab. In addition, wouldn't the use of live animals(python) or animal materials(python egg) require oversight by an institutional animal care and use committee (IACUC)?

If you are in fact doing some genetic work I would love to hear some of the technical aspects. Our lab works with the majority of this technology to study cancer biology.

Michael Hance
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Michael,

Although I would love to talk about molecular biology with you...from promoters to vectors, it's not something I want to engage in until it possibly becomes successful. Since I am and was not selling GM animals it isn't relevant to this thread and I want to keep the disclosure on it as minimal as possible at this point. At some point down the road I may send you a PM and converse about the issue on a less public level.
 
rarepythons said:
Yes I'm a newbie, but I did some reading on how to build the racks from the web. I am not selling hets I produced, only a few i purchased, and I have the paperwork for them. Either way I've already said I'm not going to sell any hets period for quite some time b/c of the question of my character by this thread.
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You are not going to sell them now, but you were going to, correct? I mean you changed you mind after the fact. And you did the reading on the how-to making racks, but not the ones on proper care and quarantine methods?

I also find it very odd at best that you are from the same place as Chris J. and TSE, and you were selling hets, but never heard of him....All I can say is I think it is 110% pure= :icon_bs: But that is just my honest opinion. I mean it just does not even come close to adding up.... :rolleyes:
 
Ok, so what state certified BSL2 lab are you using for this "work"? That photo of a shed does not meet BSL2 criteria?
 
What year was your business Bible/article touting the millions to be made in the Ball Hobby published? ALOT has changed since around 2005/06, and not for the better.

Are you breeding your own rodents? You will almost have to, or have a huge Rat bill.

My take, you fell for someone else's "marketing" and saw dollar signs buying gravid WC Balls in hopes of getting the next new morph.

I think we have more than enough middlemen, and the people who thought they were going to make huge profits, are bailing out now or have already bailed out.

I see a rude awakening in your future...
 
rarepythons said:
Michael,

Although I would love to talk about molecular biology with you...from promoters to vectors, it's not something I want to engage in until it possibly becomes successful. Since I am and was not selling GM animals it isn't relevant to this thread and I want to keep the disclosure on it as minimal as possible at this point. At some point down the road I may send you a PM and converse about the issue on a less public level.
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With all secrets aside, telling your level of schooling is not intrusive to your secret projects... It's a simple question of education level achieved. I think it is relevant when the initial discussion was about your website where you so clearly stated you were working in molecular biology.

Connie Silvernaile
 
David Reid said:
What year was your business Bible/article touting the millions to be made in the Ball Hobby published? ALOT has changed since around 2005/06, and not for the better.

Are you breeding your own rodents? You will almost have to, or have a huge Rat bill.

My take, you fell for someone else's "marketing" and saw dollar signs buying gravid WC Balls in hopes of getting the next new morph.

I think we have more than enough middlemen, and the people who thought they were going to make huge profits, are bailing out now or have already bailed out.

I see a rude awakening in your future...
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Yes I am working on breeding my own rodents. I don't have it completely setup yet. I ordered an ARS rack system for mice, and I'm having someone build rat racks at the moment. Right now I still have to buy them.
 
Chris, how would telling us what your degree is, or the names of your molecular biologists and their degrees- including what school, tip off what you are working on? It would actually go a long way in providing credibility. That is, if it is real.
 
Mice, from what I have heard, are much harder to breed, and nastier and smell far worse than rats. I have a decent sized collection, and have not fed mice in years, except for the few babies that only will take fuzzy mice. I would concentrate on Rats, not mice. I would also ask someone in your area to come over and maybe help you out with the WC females, as far as acclimation, and feeding, and even incubation of their eggs.

Just my opinion, but with you "messing" around with genetics, and running what seems to be a mad scientist's lab, and the lack of quarantine proceedures, you are going to have a REALLY difficult time selling anything.
 
HerpOly said:
Chris, how would telling us what your degree is, or the names of your molecular biologists and their degrees- including what school, tip off what you are working on? It would actually go a long way in providing credibility. That is, if it is real.
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Several reasons.

One I respect their privacy and have not been given permission to divulge such information. I'm sure it is hard for some on here to imagine respecting others privacy.

Second, the fields and projects that one of them specializes in is relatively public data that would be a quick google search to figure out what I'm working on.

Once again I don't feel that this is the subject of this BOI thread, and my educational background at this point is not an issue I wish to share. I did not state on the website that I had a particular degree, nor did I say I was selling a particular GM animal. Therefore making a statement on here explaining anything further is a mood point.
 
HerpOly said:
Chris, how would telling us what your degree is, or the names of your molecular biologists and their degrees- including what school, tip off what you are working on? It would actually go a long way in providing credibility. That is, if it is real.
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Agreed. I could take a picture of myself in a pointed hat waving a stick labeled "Magic Wand" around...doesn't make me a wizard.

Also, I believe the ongoing questions about you possible being Chris johnson stem from four points.

1.) I do not know a single person in the business who can identufy him on sight from firsthand experience.

2.) Your history with fake Drivers Licenses lends itself to the theory that the license that was posted may not have actually had Chris's real face on it.

3.) All of your past and present business enterprises were either illegal or directly cater to a criminal element

4.) The website you so hastily jerked was a blatant attempt at misrepresentation and fraud.

Face it Chris...the only thing your history shows is a severe lack of character.

I am guessing that those few who are still half heartedly saying "Give him a chance" did not have the time to seriously examine that website. I did. You made yourself out to be a major player with all the morphs at your fingertips. As I said earlier, that's not salesmanship...it's fraud.
 
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