(Inguiry)Rare Pythons

[tonychi01]

Abish, Actually sending private emails and pictures to another party is done quite often on the BOI. Generally it is done so that the other party can verify that they exists, and either have, or don't have, relevance.

Thank you! you hit right on the head. I was not pointing fingers just stating my intentions for sending it. ...this is me turning that finger around, haha.
Tony Martinez

 

[tonychi01]

Tony Martinez

 

[DaveyFig]

Hey Chuck, I am with you on this one. Andrew seems a little to eager to wipe his hands clean of a relationship with Chris. Chris mentions that they had a discussion on the 15th of Feb, which ended the partnership. Does anyone remember if there was a date posted for when Chris got the gravid balls? Andrew says he was out of it before they showed up, but in his emails mentions how sickly and tick infested they are.
It kind of feels "prtnership" like. Almost like Chris knows he won't be able to sell anything, and is guiding Andrew to keep his nose clean so he still has an outlet.

The one thing I almost hate to admit is that I do believe Chris is making an honset effort to do things right NOW. Not before, but NOW. He is just going about it all wrong. I don't even know how to help, and I doubt he can dig out on his own. Its a shame. I can see why he wanted to trade the hets originally though. He has 200 adult females, and nothing to breed to them next season when he pics out his keepers. Having that pastel and spider would at least be a start.

 

[David Reid]

In todays market, imagine what CB proven morphs he could have purchased with the money he spent on the WC females.

Dave

 

[tonychi01]

The one thing I almost hate to admit is that I do believe Chris is making an honset effort to do things right NOW. Not before, but NOW. He is just going about it all wrong. I don't even know how to help, and I doubt he can dig out on his own. Its a shame. I can see why he wanted to trade the hets originally though. He has 200 adult females, and nothing to breed to them next season when he pics out his keepers. Having that pastel and spider would at least be a start.

I too believe that is making a good effort. I even sent him an email stating that and how I would've gone about starting a larger scale buisness using higher end males etc. And now I'm having a hard time finding some het albino females and het pied females to trade my snakes with.
Tony Martinez aka the finger pointer

 

[dsirkle]

I think Manucci is full of crap. He claims that all of Cassaci's WC BP'S are tick infested and dying of respiratory disease but yet he claims he was out of the partnership before the WC BP'S even arrived. He built a hurricane proof room inside of a non-hurricane proof warehouse. It should be the safest place if a hurricane ever hits Buffalo, NY, I guess. You wont have to worry about wind and flying debris smashing through the walls, although when the exterior building sides and roof collapses on that room everything inside it will most certainly be crushed to death.

Its just really getting too stupid at this point. So many inconsistencies and so many blatant exaggerations.

Now Chuck, I don't know whether or not you are one of the handful of native Floridians that must exist (I remember meeting 2 of them before) but when I was a young man back in the olden days the words "Hurricane proof" were in common use merely as a descriptive phrase to indicate "solidly built" as hurricanes were not even a remote possibility here in Michigan. I can see that where you live you would take it as a literal term but I would bet that it is used in New York in the same way that it has been used in Michigan. As for your other comment I must agree that there are way too many inconsistencies in this tale for these guys to ever pull out of their tailspin.

 

[critical bill]

back in the olden days the words "Hurricane proof" were in common use merely as a descriptive phrase to indicate "solidly built".

Of course I'm aware of that. I don't think he was aware of it though. I was hoping he would argue with me over it so that I could have had some real fun. But you just took that away from me. Thank you so much!

 

[dsirkle]

Sorry about that Chief.

 

[critical bill]

Sorry about that Chief.

Its ok.

 

[Wilomn]

This SMACKS of chris johnson. I can't help but see him in the background pulling strings to elicit responses that lead people exactly where he wants them to go.

Oh wait, I had my mirror uncovered, but it still seems like he's doing the same thing.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

*waves as a Native Floridian.
Now it's three.

Now his storys get muddy. You know the gravids conditions, but weren't there when they arrived.
Maybe he's just frantic to not get painted with the same brush, but I think he'd done better to stay quiet than to protest so much.

 

[DaveyFig]

Just remember...He's the good guy here!

 

[Joe C]

One last question

Joe,
Was he alone when he purchased your snakes?

He was alone.

 

[The BoidSmith]

In todays market, imagine what CB proven morphs he could have purchased with the money he spent on the WC females.

Dave

Well, he probably spent around $8,000 in the females. Priced wholesale, he might have been able to purchase around 10 males or so. And I'm saying males because for his grandiose plan he did not need females, he just needed normal females giving birth to CB babies. Lot's of pictures of females on their clutches and babies pipping out of the eggs. That's why he contacted a few well-known breeders to see if he could have access to their offspring and pictures. Yes, maybe he would have sold a few babies from them, but it was more important to have access to lots of pictures of baby morphs to make his website attractive and believable (When they said no to his proposal then he had to obtain pictures "some other way"). If someone asked for the visuals he could always offer those from the other breeders, if someone asked for heteros he would be able to offer what he produced, which were (drumroll)....CB normals.

Chris,

This e-mail serves a ducmentaion that the pictures of snakes attached here were purchased from me Tom Carlton owner of Cypress Creek Retiles.
They were purchased by Chris Casacci and received in good health on 1/07/08.
They are four female 07 100% Het Albinos. Codes HA-33F-07, HA-13F-07, HA-24F-07, HA-10F-07 And one female 100% Het Piebald HP-25F-07

thnx
Tom
“
3.) I did NOT steal or defraud ANYONE. There have been many people on here that have ASSUMED I had intention of selling WH babies as hets, but it is just that..a straight up assumption, and a truly unfair one. On a side note I have stated I will not sell or trade any of my hets PERIOD, even though I have pictoral proof of which ones they are.

Chris you contend that you never wronged no-one. But you had one picture of an hetero for pied available in your site priced at $650 and the following caption: “The pictures below are examples. Exact pictures available upon request”, you also stated you had 12+ available when you purchased just 1 from John Carlton (and I’m assuming that’s the picture posted, right?).

Where were the other “10” coming from?

You had hetero for albino for sale offered for $150 to $900. Let me guess the $150 were for the males and $900 for the females, right? But you purchased only 4 hetero for albino from Mr. Carlton, where were the males going to come from?

Let me guess you had 200 gravid females that were going to produce 1,200 babies (assuming each and everything hatched, and no one died, 600 males and 600 females). Who were they going to be sold to?

3.) I did NOT steal or defraud ANYONE. There have been many people on here that have ASSUMED I had intention of selling WH babies as hets, but it is just that..a straight up assumption, and a truly unfair one. On a side note I have stated I will not sell or trade any of my hets PERIOD, even though I have pictoral proof of which ones they are.

1.I did NOT steal or defraud ANYONE. If we forget about the pictures that statement is partially true but just because you didn’t have the time, you were caught BEFORE the eggs hatched.

2.So you were not planning on selling or trading your heteros. According to you there’s only one hetero for pied female and 11+ for sale ??? The math doesn’t add up. But you would have 600 CB normal female babies that you would sell for $10, right? You would have left 600 CB normal females for sale. You have hetero for albino males for sale in your page for $150 a piece and all off a sudden 600 CB normal males that you are going to sell to whom? Petsmart or Petco? What would it be 600 females for $6,000 or 600 females for $540,000 I've got bad news for you, the market would have not absorbed that number of females anyways.

Yes Chris, these are a lot of assumptions, we are a bunch of people with nothing better to do…In fact you are absolutely right on that one, I can't believe I spent this much time typing this to convince YOU of what you already know.

 

[Dr Owens]

This SMACKS of chris johnson. I can't help but see him in the background pulling strings to elicit responses that lead people exactly where he wants them to go.

Oh wait, I had my mirror uncovered, but it still seems like he's doing the same thing.

Interestingly, chris (rarepythons) has been posting from verizon.net out of Buffalo, NY.

pool-71-243-165-121.bflony.east.verizon.net

This was the same ISP that chris johnson used.

That proves absolutely nothing, but coupled with all of the other similarities, it does seem interesting.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Interestingly, chris (rarepythons) has been posting from verizon.net out of Buffalo, NY.

pool-71-243-165-121.bflony.east.verizon.net

This was the same ISP that chris johnson used.

That proves absolutely nothing, but coupled with all of the other similarities, it does seem interesting.

I have verizon, as im sure does most of the northeast *shrug*

 

[Dr Owens]

I have verizon, as im sure does most of the northeast *shrug*

Yes...I'm sure that a lot of people in the northeast have Verizon. That's why I specifically said that they were both on Verizon in Buffalo, NY.

 

[Cat_72]

Hey, is this the Better Business Bureau?

Yeah? I'd like to file a complaint.

OK, I bought this thing to grow pot in, it's supposed to look like a speaker so the cops can't find it, but I just got busted because it was so shoddily made that it really didn't fool them....the door just fell off when they pulled on it.

*toke*

Yeah, and well, they promised me that I'd be able to harvest like a 10 pounds a year, but I've barely gotten half that, I'm having to buy my own stash on a regular basis.

*tokecoughcoughtoke*

You'll get this taken care of for me then? Kewl.

Hey, while I got ya on the phone, you know where I can score a dime bag from a reputable dealer? I'm runnin low, and it's all this guy's fault. No? Bummer, thanks anyway.

*toke*

Yeah, his BBB record (with only 5 complaints since 2005) is SO proof that he's not out to rip anyone off.

 

[varnyard]

Yeah, his BBB record (with only 5 complaints since 2005) is SO proof that he's not out to rip anyone off.

And I am still a firm believer in there is nothing hidden that will not be seen!!
You told me you were legit Chris, what’s this? Well good luck in the "quick buck" reptile business, you’re going to need it.

 

[joepythons]

soda

Yeah, his BBB record (with only 5 complaints since 2005) is SO proof that he's not out to rip anyone off.

Cathy,you owe me a soda after reading your post here .