DaremoAlpha
Sorry, I have been trying to change over computers for 2 weeks, the harddirve in my old one has some issues and it sometimes takes 20 reboots to get it to load and not lock up. We have been trying to get info off it and I was having to switch back and forth between the new and old one to verify some info and it was locked up again so I could not get some of it.
I can be more accurate now as I was able to looks some other things up and also get some off my harddrive:
26th International Herpetological Symposium
The St. Louis Zoo, St. Louis Herpetological Society, and the International Herpetological Symposium Inc. invite you to attend the 26th Annual Meeting of the International Herpetological Symposium.
Thursday July 18, 2002-Sunday July,21 2002
Preliminary list of Speakers
Dan Wentz DVM - Adenovirus in Bearded Dragons, an Emerging Threat
(there are a lot of others listed, but to save space I only listed the one that applies to this thread and time lines)
Post from Suzanne with date:
Post subject: Symptoms of the adenovirus
Posted: Aug 01, 2002 - 01:11 PM
Hey everyone!
I have a little bit of a different situation here. Alot of my babies haven't died due to the virus (even though 9 out of 9 tested adeno positive) the only one not with us are the one i euthanized.
I have had 8 clutches to this point and didn't start seeing problems until the 7th clutch. The doctor i deal with in Missouri tested a batch of babies from my 5th, 7th, and 8th clutch and all were positive which lead him to believe that the parents were the carriers.
I have been observing the remaining babies from my 8th clutch and i have noted the following symptoms:
1. Half the clutch grows normally and the other half are stunted.
2. lots of deformities including severe tail crooks, spine twisting, and dwarfism occuring in every clutch.
3. Neurological problems encompassing stargazing, head tilted downward for most of the time, no depth perception, can't climb well, seizures, limbs twitching.
4. untreatable Coccidosis.
5. Scales shrivelling and falling off.
Even though these could be symptoms of anything and everything, they have been observed as a collective in every infected clutch i have had especially 1-3.
August, 2002 many young dragons are shipped to "winners" in a contest to launch a new site and these and ones sent from them to pet stores were dying in a fairly large amount shortly after arriving in their new homes, in the stores or in transit. Not only them, but also some others existing dragons in the homes are pathing positive for adenovirus and getting sick. Some with other issues showing on necropsy like coronavirus, dependvirus and parasites. Some show nothing else in necropsy report but indicators that are consistant with liver and intestinal changes and damage with adenovirus
I was concerned that my dragons may have been exposed to one of the dragons from these breeders and had the lab recheck some liver study slides, which stated No viral inclusions are seen. The presentation is not typical of adenovirus infection.
I found out about Dr Wentzs study and got permission to post it on my website. that was Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 12:06 AM PST
http://www.reptilerooms.com/Sections+index-req-viewarticle-artid-47-page-1.html this report is from Suzanne's dragons, so there is no doubt they had adenovirus and were sick and dying, at this point many were being monitored by the doctor and tested. Even after that report and her post, they continued to die off, including the mother, the father lived 4 more years. (at one time I mistakenly said he has died, but I was wrong about this, it was the female that died around this time.
It was in Daytona, August 2003 when I had a discussion with them about adenovirus again that they told me not to worry about adenovirus, that everyone had it. The above report, Suzanne's statements, posts, my own test finding and some other breeders that are very well respected in this industry problems with this virus, did not back up what the Dachuis were telling me. This discussion was also again due to the fact I was concerned that owners of bearded dragons were increasingly showing up on bearded dragon list, forums and in email being seriously ill and dying with pathology stating adenovirus was a factor. Sometimes not the only finding, but often describing liver and intestinal changes that would have made them fatal. Many of those dragons traced back to the Breeder of Suzanne's dragons and the breeder of the "winner dragons". This in no way appeared to be a benign pathogen to me and if all dragons had it, why did mine I had tested not show it?
Watch that neck Jim.
