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Inquiry: Dachiu

Yea, I think it is real clear, not the first time, a, Kelli?

Lets all sell sick animals, the hell with morals. You guys make me sick!!
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What the heck are you talking about??
 
varnyard said:
Yea, I think it is real clear, not the first time, a, Kelli? :no_evil01

Jim O, I can not agree with Sammy more. :no_evil01

Yea, Vickie is a real swell good guy, is that what you want me to say?

Jim O, wipe your nose off, you have a bunch of brown stuff on it.

Lets all sell sick animals, the hell with morals. You guys make me sick!!
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Very mature Bobby. You still have not read the paper, or if you have you have not comprehended it. You are evidently too emotional. And with that, I am also done.
 
Scott Ashton said:
There is a big difference between not being AWARE of something and something not existing.

The fact that they aren't aware of a negative colony existing doesn't mean that one doesn't in fact exist.
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Right. In my case when I tested, both times I had positive dragons come back, so in fact, my colonies were not all negative. 2 of the dragons had already found new homes long before we even did the testing, but they were tested with my colony because they came from me and I notified everyone that I could find that had ever bought a dragon from me that I could have an issue and offered to provide testing, 1 person out of all of them took me up on it that had 2 dragons.
The ONLY way a breeder can get a negative colony is to remove any animals that test positive as soon as possible, and even then, you have to worry.
I know that for me, if any more of my animals test positive, I'm done. I love my beardie babies, I'm not giving any more of them up, and I'm not ever going to knowingly breed a positive animal. I'd rather just keep my pets.
 
If there are known "clear" colonies, where are they? If there is a lab that has a test that is better then Dr.Jacobsons, where is it?
I think its time for everyone to realize that its Fair to say this is wide spread. There is a possibility of a negative colony but highly unlikely as the doctor says. Whats next?
Jim
 
jim,"Michele, your condescending attitude is not helping your case. I have addressed that issue twice in this thread and in a private email to Vickie Dachiu. Bobby asked me if it's OK to keep breeding dragons knowing they are positive. My answer is yes. The alternative is to let captive born dragons disappear from the market.

I think both of you should read the posts."i have read all the posts jim and frankly i think YOU are the one thats being condescending.but hey,thats only my opinion(and a few others)
 
I love my beardie babies, I'm not giving any more of them up, and I'm not ever going to knowingly breed a positive animal. I'd rather just keep my pets.
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Denise, I can tell from your posts how much you love your animals, and all bearded dragons. I am so sorry for you and any other dragon breeder that is going through or has gone through this situation. The reason I am so emotional about this topic I think is because the thought of losing many of my beloved leos to a virus like this literally brings tears to my eyes and scares the crap out of me at the same time.
 
And one more thing Jim, this thread will be here forever,
anyone that takes the time to read it will read it all. They will see the truth for themself. How will you look then?
 
hey guys,i think its really funny how vicky dachiu came here a couple of hours ago,didnt answer any questions and simply posted a link to the paper and then she scurried away.guess what she got what she wanted-we are all arguing about the paper and NOT discussing her injustices(which is the topic of this thread)
 
whiskersmom said:
Vickie and Rob, what I would like to know is why you didn't have your vet contact the lab Denise used in getting the PCR test done BEFORE you orchestrated your smear campaign....and let's be honest, it was just that.
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She's not going to answer that, its already been asked and ignored for days. She's known about my testing since January, so she had months to contact me, my vet and my lab, and she waited to try to call until 3 days after she launched her public attack. It was never about my tests or my dragons, it was personal.
 
I am sitting here just starting to read this thread and the first thing that comes to mind is another witch hunt. First it was Sunshine, then Sandfire, now Dachiu...if this isn't a witch hunt I don't know what is...it is getting rediculous. I have dragons from all these breeders...so basically you are saying my entire colony is infected? I have done little testing because for me it isn't cheap...it runs about $85 a whack. Until someone comes up with a definate yes or no with these tests, I am not testing any farther unless I have a problem, to which I have not so far. I suppose myself or one of the other breeders will be next to be accused and have fingers pointed at....PAH...LEASE...Unless one of you have some magic test that will tell me all my dragons are a definate yes or no...give it a rest!!!
 
Jim O said:
Thanks for making this personal Sammy. I also thought that you were better than that. I guess we both were wrong.
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Yeah Jim.... I think you are the one that made it personal when you called me a chest thumper for simply thinking people should be honest in representing their animals.

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I read that whole post. And what was clear was Cheri conceded that it would be inconvenient (expensive) for Sandfire to test because they house their entire collection outside and don't monitor which dragon breeds which one and the eggs are laid outdoors, etc, etc. You can boil it anyway you like but that's what she said.
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That is your interpretation of it Jim. That aint how I interpreted what she said. I in know way took the ENTIRE post as giving them an out. She seemed to me to hold them just as accountable as anyone else.

So yes, you can boil it any way you want, but make sure you aint boiling for everyone.
 
Bobby, I would sincerely like to know what you meant by:

Yea, I think it is real clear, not the first time, a, Kelli?


Lets all sell sick animals, the hell with morals. You guys make me sick!!
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Not the first time, a, Kelli? What do you mean, not the first time?? And I NEVER said it was ok to sell sick animals!
 
KelliH said:
Denise, I can tell from your posts how much you love your animals, and all bearded dragons. I am so sorry for you and any other dragon breeder that is going through or has gone through this situation. The reason I am so emotional about this topic I think is because the thought of losing many of my beloved leos to a virus like this literally brings tears to my eyes and scares the crap out of me at the same time.
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I do love them. I've raised almost everyone of them since they were little more than hatchlings. When I gave up my first positive girl, I cried for days. The only thing that made it easier is that she went to a friend, and she is doing so well there as the spoiled only dragon child. The other 2 that tested positive had already been gone from my collection for 8 months, and their adoptive parent doesn't care about the virus, they are just pets, she just wanted to know in case they had additional health problems.
I'm still processing what I read, but it just makes me so sad, because chances are, we did this to them. That breaks my heart.
 
Jim O said:
That's who I was referring to Rozann. Cheri's friends, the ones she has given a pass to because it would be inconcenient for them to test, the biggest US producer at 9000 dragons per year. Yup, yup, those would be the ones.
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Jim I totally agree that Sandfire should pony up, but so should other big breeders such as Dachiu.
And lets face it, they are big and can have a huge audience and impact on getting this out to the general public and educating people so people have choices on whether they even want to get into breeding beardies or not or whether they will check into it and contribute as well.
If it is said that if you can afford to own animals you better be willing to afford the health and care for them. I would say this is true two fold for those people whom I am dubbing in my mind as a mini "corporate America" of the beardied world, these breeders have the corner market and should be setting an example. Yeah yeah I am a fan of the underdog, but man, it is the little companies that get screwed.
 
Jim O said:
Those are some tough words Sammy. My "chest thumping" comment was not directed at you.

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But in answer to your basic question, is asking for 100% honesty in a business transaction asking too much then the answer is of course not. If I conveyed anything less than that then I apologize.

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Jim,

I missed this post when I was catching up on this thread. My emotions were still riding kinda high towards you about this from earlier. So my apologies to you sir.

Even if I do still think you are wrong about what Cheri was saying.
 
I am wondering if there will come a time when dragons who are AV positive will have bred enough times, had enough generations go by, that there will be less leading to no physical problems associated with being positive.

Will there come a time, 4 generations, 10 generations, what have you, when a positive dragon will be like a kid with chicken pox. Once it's reached a certain age, been through an outbreak and lived, it will basically be a fine and healthy specimen.

Weed out the weak, the strong survive.

I wonder if this is possible.
 
you and jim posted back to back on how the report states that all colonies have it and im just trying to stress the point that its about being honest with potential buyers.
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Michelle, I am sorry, I just now read that and wanted to take the time to respond. I absolutely believe that being honest with customers, potential customers, and the dragon community as a whole is very, very important for dragon breeders when dealing with this virus.
 
I love my beardie babies, I'm not giving any more of them up, and I'm not ever going to knowingly breed a positive animal. I'd rather just keep my pets.
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Denise, in talking to you in private and seeing what you write here I can tell you are as passionate about your babies as I am mine. If mine test pos I will not breed at all and they will remain, until the day they pass my families pets. Even if tested neg, until more is found out about this I still don't think I will breed. It is just not worth the risk to me.
Meet Fred, now tell me, what is not to love about this guy?

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Denisebme said:
She's not going to answer that, its already been asked and ignored for days. She's known about my testing since January, so she had months to contact me, my vet and my lab, and she waited to try to call until 3 days after she launched her public attack. It was never about my tests or my dragons, it was personal.
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But on what personal level does a person have to go to in order to try to destroy someone's reputation? What harm could you have possibly committed towards the Dachiu's for them to want to destroy you, your small business? Was it only because she saw you as a threat because of your negative results? So, she knew she had to discredit you in order for her business to stay successful?
I guess, Denise, you could see this as a complement, that if you were that threatening as a business competetor, for her to use all this effort and lies to bring you down, you must have been a force to be reckoned with, in her eyes.
 
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