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Inquiry, Denise Latanzi AKA, Denisebme www.Calidragons.com

Cheri,

Bobby already has made apologies in all the threads where he mistakenly accused Denise. And even called her personally to apologize.

Just goes to show that some people in this world do have integrity.
 
I just have a couple of things to add.

First, any accusation of Cheri is absolutely ridiculous. Not many people know this, but I talked Cheri immediately after I found out most of my animals have Adenovirus. I have also talked to her several times since then. Never ONCE has she ever suggested that I euthanize ANY of my animals...even knowing full well most of them are positive. Cheri has listened to me cry and be angry, and supported me in whatever decision I made. She is someone we should respect...not constantly try to tear down, not just for the kind of person she is, but also for her tremendous efforts for this community and her knowledge of this species.

Second, Denise isn't just all about her dragons, trying to love them, care for them, worrying about the species as a whole. Cheri is exactly right. Denise gives more of herself on a regular basis to people she doesn't even know than what most people give someone they know and love. Denise is an all around spectacular person...the type of person we should all respect and look up to.

Third, Wendy at Neverland Dragons. What can I say that most people already said about her? She truly loves beardies, and just wants to do what's right. She is in no way to blame for what happened to her. She has also given me a tremendous amount of support, no matter that it brought the pain that she had dealt with right back.

Fourth, Bobby also called me and apologized to me, even though I wasn't the one under attack. Over the past few days, I feel comfortable in saying that I get the jist of the kind of person he is, and again, he's the type of person that we should be respecting.

Guys, rather than looking up to and respecting the judgement of the folks who make a lot of money on bearded dragons, let's put the respect where it belongs...which is with the people in this community that care about the dragons.

And Sammy...you're just a cutie pie!
 
This is some of the proof that was sent to me, that was said to be showing that the blood or PCR testing is not used on that strain of virus. If you look under Diagnosis, on this so called proof sheet, it says nothing about blood or PCR. This is also the letter head for that email:

Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:25:03 -0400
From: "Dachiu" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: [email protected]
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There is a disclaimer that this not be reproduced attached to the to the cover letter. :-(

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To: "Dachiu" <[email protected]>

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Also this is the link to the whole letter, of so called proof.

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Bobby, my guess (and that's all it is) is that the text provided you was published prior to the availability of the PCR test.
 
Unbelievable the extent that people went through to get you to get involved in this. I haven't gone to look at the date on that paper, but PCR testing has been available for some time, even through Dr. Jacobson at the University of Florida.
PCR testing is NOT new. In my case, I was always CLEAR that my test required a Cloacal swab along with a blood draw, and according to the information my VET gave me yesterday, there is no difference between the test I had done, and the test that Dr. Jacobson is offering EXCEPT they took blood to look at that TOO.
Hopefully, EVERYONE is paying attention to where these emails to you originated from, because it shows a clear attempt to smear people behind the scene's whose only "crime" was to talk openly about testing on the forum.
Does everyone get it now?


varnyard said:
This is some of the proof that was sent to me, that was said to be showing that the blood or PCR testing is not used on that strain of virus. If you look under Diagnosis, on this so called proof sheet, it says nothing about blood or PCR. This is also the letter head for that email:

Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:25:03 -0400
From: "Dachiu" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Fwd: DSC01592.JPG;DSC01593.JPG]
There is a disclaimer that this not be reproduced attached to the to the cover letter. :-(

Forwarded Message [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ]

Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:17:26 -0600
From: "J&J Reptiles" <[email protected]>
Subject: DSC01592.JPG;DSC01593.JPG
To: "Dachiu" <[email protected]>

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DSC01592.JPG;DSC01593.JPG

Also this is the link to the whole letter, of so called proof.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=501300&postcount=106
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My question would be why it would be sent to me? I have nothing to gain with beardies, I am not a beardie breeder.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling we'll never get any answers?

Bobby, in my opinion, that email and the previous one you posted on this thread from Vickie show what the intent has been all along.
 
varnyard said:
This is some of the proof that was sent to me, that was said to be showing that the blood or PCR testing is not used on that strain of virus. If you look under Diagnosis, on this so called proof sheet, it says nothing about blood or PCR. This is also the letter head for that email:
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Oh, and just so we can see just how selective people have been about the information they gave people regarding the PCR testing and how long its been around:
http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/content/full/78/23/13366

For those without the time to look at it yourself, its an article by Dr. Jacobson that says that they have been using PCR to identify this particular strain of AV since 2004. That's right... 2004.
 
Bobby, you're a good guy, so bear in mind that I'm smiling as I write this.

People used you to do their dirty work, by feeding you outdated information.

I'm not sure as to their motives behind this, as I'm not "in the loop", and don't get any behind the scenes info., but that much seems clear.
 
CheriS said:
I want to say something else in defense of Denise and all she went through with this.

Her heart is in the care of her dragons and the health of the species, not in making money, not in cornering a market, that is just pathetic that someone would even think or suggest such a thing.

From the day she first heard about this issue, she has been supportive of those losing dragons, learning all she can and helping others. You all have no idea or clue somethings that she does personally or has offered to others, not for profit, but from her heart. This was the wrong tree to be barking up

I do understand how easy it is to be influenced by someone that you think is a professional and knows facts, I have been there too.

S.
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Thanks Cheri.
The absolute truth is that I wouldn't know anything at all about this virus if not for you, Wendy and Teri. With all the smoke that was, and continues to be, blown around this whole issue, I had no idea what the "truth" was, and if not for your perseverance, this whole issue would have just been lost in forums like it was years ago. I have more respect for you than you'll ever know because you stood up when it would have been much easier personally just to let it go.
For those of you unfamiliar with just how this subject ended up here, I encourage you to go read the bearded dragon forums dealing with AV, particularly the thread on Sunshine Dragons and DrDale's story. I was far from the first person attacked on this issue, it was just my turn. The attacks on Cheri have been constant and relentless since September or October, and I firmly believe that she's been fighting the good fight here.
 
Denise.
That was sent by me, Jim Dyke, not J&J Reptiles. It was sent as information on AV. Just to show some things that may be helpfull.
The letter that Dr.Jacobson is working on is apparently rather long. Hopefully we will all get answers then.
Jim.
 
Ok new question now...

If there are so many infected dragons and only a handfull of clean ones what is the next logical step to fixing the real problem rather than who said what to who?

Is there a way to fix the real problem?

Is this virus mainly beign or malignant?

Whats been done proactively about this other than calling people out and pointing fingers?

Enough of the puppet strings crap.... what can be done to move on to dealing with this in a positive light?
 
JimD said:
Denise.
That was sent by me, Jim Dyke, not J&J Reptiles. It was sent as information on AV. Just to show some things that may be helpfull.
The letter that Dr.Jacobson is working on is apparently rather long. Hopefully we will all get answers then.
Jim.
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Jim, that letter head clearly states J&J Reptiles. Are you one of the Js in J&J reptiles?
 
Dachiu. I just wanted to post this information that was forwarded from JimD. His veterinarian from Calgary Avian and Exotic Pet Clinic took time to do some research and offer this information.
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Jim? Whats the deal?
 
Bobby-

That email quite clearly shows a chain of custody from J&J Reptiles to Vickie Dachiu, then from Vickie Dachiu to you.

Vickie posted on that other thread that Jim D sent it to her.

Put the first two lines together, and it means that Jim D is part of J&J Reptiles.
 
JimD said:
Denise.
That was sent by me, Jim Dyke, not J&J Reptiles. It was sent as information on AV. Just to show some things that may be helpfull.
The letter that Dr.Jacobson is working on is apparently rather long. Hopefully we will all get answers then.
Jim.
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Well actually, to put into context, that letter was sent by Dachiu to Bobby Hill to "prove" to him that PCR testing was not used to identify AV in Bearded Dragons and was a part of the "evidence" they used to try to convince him that I was scamming people.
As we have since found out, that letter is OLD information, and according to published information, PCR has indeed been used since 2004 to identify THIS virus in THIS species.
To be MORE specific, this information was used to question my integrity and make no mistake, this thread was initially set up to discredit me using dishonest and outdated information.
Outdated information is NOT helpful when the goal in sending it is to further an agenda, and not to get to the truth. Anyone with the ability to use a search engine could have found out the the PCR test was in fact available, and I know FOR A FACT, that Vickie Dachiu KNEW the test existed. So why send information to Bobby, knowing he was not a Beardie person, that never would have passed the "smell test" on the beardie forum?
She used him. PERIOD. She, and people like her, spent a lot of time and effort filling his head with crap to convince him I was something I'm not. Why?
Why? Why?
You're the guy with the "inside", maybe you should figure out the answer to that question and get back to us all. Inquiring minds want to know.....
 
varnyard said:
Jim, that letter head clearly states J&J Reptiles. Are you one of the Js in J&J reptiles?
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Jim, you really should of stated from the get go that you were associated with Dachiu.



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Simone: Um, his dragon is sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw his dragon pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Teacher: Thank you Simone.

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Denisebme said:
Well actually, to put into context, that letter was sent by Dachiu to Bobby Hill to "prove" to him that PCR testing was not used to identify AV in Bearded Dragons and was a part of the "evidence" they used to try to convince him that I was scamming people.
As we have since found out, that letter is OLD information, and according to published information, PCR has indeed been used since 2004 to identify THIS virus in THIS species.
To be MORE specific, this information was used to question my integrity and make no mistake, this thread was initially set up to discredit me using dishonest and outdated information.
Outdated information is NOT helpful when the goal in sending it is to further an agenda, and not to get to the truth. Anyone with the ability to use a search engine could have found out the the PCR test was in fact available, and I know FOR A FACT, that Vickie Dachiu KNEW the test existed. So why send information to Bobby, knowing he was not a Beardie person, that never would have passed the "smell test" on the beardie forum?
She used him. PERIOD. She, and people like her, spent a lot of time and effort filling his head with crap to convince him I was something I'm not. Why?
Why? Why?
You're the guy with the "inside", maybe you should figure out the answer to that question and get back to us all. Inquiring minds want to know.....
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Denise -

Could you elaborate on how you know that Vickie Daichu knew that PCR testing existed for use in diagnosing adenovirus in BDs?
 
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