Inquiry, Denise Latanzi AKA, Denisebme www.Calidragons.com

[varnyard]

-Everything I said is a fact. That was stated by sammy, it is not part of the quote.

 

[ReptileEmpire]

No, Bobby...that was the first time she was asked publicly. What you're leaving out is that someone has been calling her vet claiming to be her, in an attempt to get her test results. This started back in January, shortly after Denise made her first public post that she had an Adeno free breeding colony. And no...I'm not accusing anyone directly because nobody seems to know who that was, including me.

By the time Vickie asked her publicly, she had already been made aware that her test results were being requested. Again, notice I'm saying TEST RESULTS...not what lab, or what was testing had been conducted.

This is exactly right, I sent a link to some of these threads to my vet to get their opinion on it. The first line in his response to me was "First off, please do not involve me or my office in anything to do with that."

When you step back and look at what these threads have turned into, no one wants anything to do with it, this is completely nuts. The person that actually used fake test results to advertise with is not even involved with this. From what I can see this is nothing more than an attack on someone that isn't even selling anything.

If someone turns out to have done something wrong it will be so far buried in all this that no one will understand what real problem was.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

will this PLEASE stop, come on guys!!!
The girl said shes not going to show the test results Publicly, and personally, i find calling her vet absolutely ridiculous... its not YOUR Business unless youre buying a dragon from this girl...
Sure people want to know if this information is true, but then. WHY DOSNT SOMONE BUY A DARNED DRAGON from her!? Please please please stop this craziness... Ive been watching these two threads, and i just cannot believe that they are even taking place!???

I love the lot of you, but dang..

I mean, how much does a bearded dragon from her cost? it cant be so expensive that somone here could not buy a dragon,and be able to GET the proof they are asking for with it. And THEN be able to say for themselves if she is telling the truth about her dragons being adeno free....
Everyone here does quarantine right? so its not so hard that you cannot get the dragon, Put it in quarantine and even get the test done yourself again to prove or disprove wether she is telling the truth or lying and post your OWN information. I mean... if its that important, wont somone sacrifice that cash to do so?

Again, i love the lot of you, but this needs to stop here until somone can front the cash and just buy a dragon and get the information themselves.

 

[shrap]

This is (politely) Sammy?
Like I said the truth will be out soon, If I was wrong I will be the first to admit it.

It sure dont come across as rude. Just matter of factly. Is there anything you wont try to twist?

I dont know if your wrong or not Bobby. Because there aint any proof out there to determine that yet, as I have said from the very beginning. But unlike you I wont try to assassinate a persons character until I have proof.

You hate scammers, I hate witch hunters. So there we are.

 

[Dachiu]

New Information

California Avian Laboratory spoke with my veterinarian this afternoon and he has confirmed that they can accept samples of blood and cloacal swabs for submission to another lab for PCR sequencing for the adenovirus in bearded dragons.

We have also passed this information on to the University of Florida and they are also looking into it.

 

[shrap]

California Avian Laboratory spoke with my veterinarian this afternoon and he has confirmed that they can accept samples of blood and cloacal swabs for submission to another lab for PCR sequencing for the adenovirus in bearded dragons.

We have also passed this information on to the University of Florida and they are also looking into it.

WHERE IS THAT APOLOGY BOBBY?????

 

[Tere Salazar]

California Avian Laboratory spoke with my veterinarian this afternoon and he has confirmed that they can accept samples of blood and cloacal swabs for submission to another lab for PCR sequencing for the adenovirus in bearded dragons.

We have also passed this information on to the University of Florida and they are also looking into it.

Thank you, Vickie.

 

[hhmoore]

If someone turns out to have done something wrong it will be so far buried in all this that no one will understand what real problem was.

If someone (Denise) turns out NOT to have done anything wrong, it will be just as buried in all this ...I think that would be more the pity.

 

[ReptileEmpire]

If someone (Denise) turns out NOT to have done anything wrong, it will be just as buried in all this ...I think that would be more the pity.

And that is exactly what it looks like.

 

[varnyard]

Where do I start?

Let me first say I was wrong, not only wrong, but dead wrong on this. I have called both Denise and Tere, I gave both of them an apology, what happen here in the last few days is far from fact. IMO Denise is a great person, also I do not know how anyone could think anything but this about her. Tere is also one super nice person.

I have been deceived about this whole thing, I could start pointing fingers, I was misinformed from the start on this issue. However, when I hit the submit button it was me that posted.

 

[Tere Salazar]

Bobby-

Thank you for being man enough to step up and admit your mistake. I know how much courage and integrity that takes...and you are full of both.

I so appreciate this post, and your phone call, and accept your apology. I would like to apologize as well, as I know I wasn't very nice to you, that that's not right either. I am so sorry you were drug into this, and I feel so badly for the position you were put in.

You really are a good man, Bobby.

 

[shrap]

Good man Bobby!!

Sadly, the people that were pulling the strings from behind the scenes remain silent. It comes as no surprise though. But I know who you are, and more importantly I know what your are. And so do many many others now.

 

[JimD]

So all the tests were done here and came back negative. Do we know for a fact that this test is accurate? If so, when can anyone shed some light on it so the rest of us can understand.
Thanks.
Jim.

 

[Denisebme]

Where do I start?

Let me first say I was wrong, not only wrong, but dead wrong on this. I have called both Denise and Tere, I gave both of them an apology, what happen here in the last few days is far from fact. IMO Denise is a great person, also I do not know how anyone could think anything but this about her. Tere is also one super nice person.

I have been deceived about this whole thing, I could start pointing fingers, I was misinformed from the start on this issue. However, when I hit the submit button it was me that posted.

Bobby,
Thank you so much for the phone call. I appreciate more than I can say the courage and integrity it took for you to make that call, you're a class act.

For the person that asked "where I went" when I stopped posting on the threads. I didn't "go" anywhere. I came to the decision rather quickly that staying on this forum and continuing to argue this issue all weekend wouldn't resolve anything. I do not believe it was by accident that the thread was posted late on Friday, my hands were tied all weekend unless I was willing to post a hard copy of my results, and I've been very open about my reasons for being reluctant to do so. As plenty of people know, I have been working since yesterday to get my results verified.

For the people running around spreading rumors that I am advertising "adeno free babies" or that I have an agenda to try upset the bearded dragon market by massively breeding and selling "adeno free babies", that is simply completely false. Not only am I not selling babies right now, I don't even have any. I do not, have not, and have no plans to ever breed on a large scale, I am a hobbyist, nothing more. Not just a beardy hobbyist, I collect other species of reptile, but I do this because I love them, not because I have an agenda.

For the record, I do not fault Bobby Hill at all. He's a good guy who tried to do the right thing for the right reasons and got caught up in something that he didn't really understand. I'm with him on that, I don't understand it either, and I feel terrible that he got dragged into this.
I had and continue to have every confidence that the truth always prevails, and that has been my position since day one.

 

[Tere Salazar]

I am aware that this is completely off topic, and I apologize in advance, but I feel I must make this request publicly.

MICHAEL SHOEMAKER, AKA REBELDRAGONS...

Please remove my link from your website, as well as any reference to me. You are one of the ones who was pulling the strings behind the scenes, you know it and so does everyone else. I want absolutely NOTHING to do with you from this day forward.

I really hope you're proud of yourself for lying yet again.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

I have no problem doing that Tere.

At times I thought the test existed and at times I thought you were lying to me about it. I was being told by many others that it didn't exist as well. I made a mistake in judgement and repeated misinformation. Only 2 poeple were claiming that it existed, I sided with the majority and was wrong.

I aplogize to both you and Denise.

 

[Tere Salazar]

I have no problem doing that Tere.

At times I thought the test existed and at times I thought you were lying to me about it. I was being told by many others that it didn't exist as well. I made a mistake in judgement and repeated misinformation. Only 2 poeple were claiming that it existed, I sided with the majority and was wrong.

I aplogize to both you and Denise.

Mike, I am not referring to the testing information. I'm referring to the FLAT OUT LIES you told to Bobby. You claimed to be my friend, and you're still just the same old liar you always were.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

Many people were operating on what came back from the U of F was the truth. I leanred the real truth this miring and really regretted not believing you Tere. I tried and tried but failed, I eventually got to where i didn't question you but it was too late. I made a mistake and operated on mis information. I don't really know what to say.... It wasn't that I was lying I acted witout having all the facts.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

IIf your referring to what I told Bobby about you telling me that you had seen denises results I remembered you telling me that and then a few days ago you told me you hadn't. I got pissed becasue I thought you were lying to me. Now I admit that with as much information that I have heard I very well could have got you mixed up with someone else.

 

[Rebel Dragons]

I hit submit too soon. I'm human Tere and I got confused. There were a lot fo names being mentioned in a lot of phone calls and i got confused and mixed up. It was in no way in any way shape or form an attack against you or Denise. there was a reason i didn't post on this thread. I didn't know what to do or how to act on my thoughts and mixed up "so called information".