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DThomas said:
The rule is for not disputing moderator duties in the open. It is not meant to prevent you from discussing something seperate from those duties.
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Thanks Dennis!!

I really do not have much more to add to this. I don't have any proof to post on this, everything was done on the phone. I think the truth can be seen in all of the posts and emails above.

That said I do have a few things to say.

Another one that is still throwing questions over Denise's head is JimD, for those of you that need another eye opener. Jim is Vickie's Canadian distributer, yes this is true.

JimD, word up, I am in no mood to play this game any longer. If you do not have any proof about the accusations you keep poking at Denise, then I would suggest you stop now.
 
JimD said:
I sure hope that if I ever need a good jury that none of you are on it because you all make up your minds with no hard core proof.
Jim
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I don't know how long you've been around jimD but obviously you haven't paid much attention to Bobby Hill.

The guy made a mistake. He was overzealous. He was shown that he was in error and then came back and made amends for it. There is nothing else to be done. His reputation is not only solid, but stellar.

I suspect, damn near guarentee in fact, that Bobby will have a much higher level of certainty before believing anyone again. His own research has always been good in the past and he did not rely 100% on himself this time. Look what happened to Bobby for trusting.

vicki, you've got some splaining to do. My guess is Bobby has EVERYTHING you said, sent, did and wanted done, well documented. He's a fairly, as a rule, thorough guy. You may want to get ahead of this one. I don't see a rosy future OR a smooth road for you here in the next little bit.

Bobby, come just a little closer, nope just a little bit.....SMACK on the back of your head. Just to make sure the good stuff got knocked in solid-like.

K, I'm done now.
 
JimD said:
I sure hope that if I ever need a good jury that none of you are on it because you all make up your minds with no hard core proof.
Jim
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This is an important issue. It is a fact that some juries make their minds up within the first few minutes of a trial and evidence has little to do with their choices.

So it is good to be careful about the accusations made against others lest they be judged with no proof.

On the other hand, there are times when (as in Top Shelf Exotics) there was no proof to be had initially yet it was important and courageous to stand and say something.


Unless one has personal experience it could be helpful to ask questions and hear answers and wait and see if innocence or culpability comes out of a dialogue.
 
Lucille, did you miss this part?

varnyard: Another one that is still throwing questions over Denise's head is JimD, for those of you that need another eye opener. Jim is Vickie's Canadian distributer, yes this is true.
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varnyard said:
Lucille, did you miss this part?
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Bobby, I was making a general post, saying that sometimes it is important to come forward, and developing the facts through a dialogue (like the fact you just cited) is a good way to let people reading make up their minds.

Those sorts of cites do make the choices in people's minds more valid.
 
I can not say anything personally about Dachui as I have three of their dragons, one is about 7 years old and big healthy and doing fine. They knew it was my first online buy and for my measly 65.00 I got an amazingly colorful dragon and they were very good with info for me.
With the exception of some of my own hold backs I have no on line bought dragon under 3 years old and I was trying to read this thread and others for the information more then the behind the scenes drama.

What I would like to ask is if someone can post on here or in PM what proceedures I need to take to have my dragons tested. With all the drama it is hard for me to decipher exactly where to go or what to do. And I most certainly do not want to be calling around to these people who have received more then their fair share of calls.
Simply, I just want to know exactly what steps I need to take to get my dragons tested.
 
Hey Bobby!
Did I call her a liar? I asked for proof. Just like everyone else wants to see. Is there any hope out there? How selfish does one need to be to not put peoples worries at bay. You yourself were saying that not long ago.
Funny though. I was questioning Cathy/Chasity about things and what happend there?
Im not saying she hasnt had the tests done. Im also not saying the test even is conclusive. Ill wait and see what comes out as the truth. Who knows. Maybe we'll all have egg on our face.
Jim
 
varnyard said:
Thanks Dennis!!

I really do not have much more to add to this. I don't have any proof to post on this, everything was done on the phone. I think the truth can be seen in all of the posts and emails above.

That said I do have a few things to say.

Another one that is still throwing questions over Denise's head is JimD, for those of you that need another eye opener. Jim is Vickie's Canadian distributer, yes this is true.

JimD, word up, I am in no mood to play this game any longer. If you do not have any proof about the accusations you keep poking at Denise, then I would suggest you stop now.
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Excuse me? Jim is a distributor for Vickie? Well, this both changes and clarifies things to me.
 
Oh and Bobby.
Where are my accusations? Questions=Accusations in your eyes?
Jim
 
JimD said:
Denise.
What does it change or clarify?
Jim.
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I think its obvious Jim. I thought you were doing this independently, now its obvious you're not.
So, now I would simply ask that instead of calling me a liar, or insisting that I am somehow being "selfish" you come clean with your agenda.
There is no "selfishness" in simply telling the truth, and that is exactly what I've been doing all along and what most people who have been reading this thread for days have managed to decipher all on their own. So tell me, what do I still need to "prove" to you, and why do I need to prove it?
 
Denise.
I have done a lot of my own searching for info on the AV. Notice I sent the Dachius info that my Vet had provided me. I also have info provided to me from a friend at the University of Calgary.
I have done research. Have made my own opinions.
I personally do not need clarification from you but do feel that everyone here with their fingers crossed do need to know. You know as well as I that a lot of people are losing sleep over this.
This is why I feel you are being selfish. If this test is conclusive, great.
I have not called you a liar. Nor will I.
Does it not bother you knowing how many people are upset out there?
There are others who are making calls and inquiries today to find out about it.
If you think I am attacking you sorry. Not the case her. I dont believe I have ever once made a post that was directly defending Dachau's.
Yes we are their Canadian Distributor's.
We are also dragon breeders and were long before we ever met them. Yes I feel this is important. This isn't all about me defending them. Its about the dragons in whole.
Jim.
 
JimD,

Everyone knows what lab she used and she has told everyone her test results. What more do people need to know? What is she holding back that makes her selfish?
 
JimD said:
Denise.
I have done a lot of my own searching for info on the AV. Notice I sent the Dachius info that my Vet had provided me. I also have info provided to me from a friend at the University of Calgary.
I have done research. Have made my own opinions.
I personally do not need clarification from you but do feel that everyone here with their fingers crossed do need to know. You know as well as I that a lot of people are losing sleep over this.
This is why I feel you are being selfish. If this test is conclusive, great.
I have not called you a liar. Nor will I.
Does it not bother you knowing how many people are upset out there?
There are others who are making calls and inquiries today to find out about it.
If you think I am attacking you sorry. Not the case her. I dont believe I have ever once made a post that was directly defending Dachau's.
Yes we are their Canadian Distributor's.
We are also dragon breeders and were long before we ever met them. Yes I feel this is important. This isn't all about me defending them. Its about the dragons in whole.
Jim.
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Ok, now I'm mad.
What exactly do people NEED to know that I haven't ALREADY stepped up and talked about? I stated MONTHS ago that I used PCR testing and that my PCR testing was done using Blood and a Cloacal Swab. Then people started claiming the test didn't exist and insisting I was not being honest about it. Oh, now VICKIE admits it exists, and now people are willing to at least give me what I knew all along and was honest about all along.
Now I'm supposed to believe that my VERY SMALL COLONY is causing people to lose sleep and that my VERY SMALL COLONY is supposedly the ONE colony in the whole world that can answer people's questions?
Does it bother me that people are upset? OF COURSE IT DOES! It has bothered me since OCTOBER, and I was ACTIVELY posting on the threads and answering phone calls and emails TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE.

Before you go one step further buddy, you might want to consider that people used the information I WILLINGLY POSTED and used it to harass me, harass my vet, harass labs, and even, if my more recent information is correct, they have even used it to harass researchers.
It's THAT type of IRRESPONSIBLE and UNCONSCIONABLE behavior that makes vets and private labs hesitant to get involved in situations like this, because make no mistake, they get attacked when they try to help.
If its about the Dragons, then your "research" simply wasn't good enough. If its about the dragons, then you'll put your financial concerns aside and test.
Until then, you can just STOP posting anything in my direction because I'm giving you the attention you deserve from here on out, absolutely NONE.
 
Ask and you shall receive. I asked and got PM'ed, thank you.

There is nothing being hidden here as I can see Jim, I can also see just from reading this thread and others why some do not wish to engage in this crap.
Actually what Denise said it being a week end and explaining herself I can see why she did not want to get into a pissing match all week end long. I wouldn't have either.
 
Denise,

Just ignore JimD. I think it is obvious if folks read all of his posts what his motivations are and they sure aint as noble as he is trying to claim. If they were he would not still be harping on you since the lab and results have both been made public. What more can reasonably be asked?
 
shrap said:
Denise,

Just ignore JimD. I think it is obvious if folks read all of his posts what his motivations are and they sure aint as noble as he is trying to claim. If they were he would not still be harping on you since the lab and results have both been made public. What more can reasonably be asked?
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You're right. I've spent enough time upset about this situation, I'm not going to let him get under my skin.
 
JimD,

What does me seeing her results first hand have to do with the good of the beardie community? Whether she tested positive or negative, what does that have to do with the good of the beardie community?

I thought the type of test and the lab that was doing the test is whats important here. So the beardie community at large could also get the tests done.

Care to contradict yourself some more? Care to let more of your own words show more of your true character and motives? See it was NEVER about the type of testing or the lab or the greater good of the beardie community. So dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining.
 
Shrap.
I wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire.
These blood tests were mentioned a while ago. People have been asking for a while so they could go get it done. It was held back.
I havent contradicted myself. If you want to question my character, go for it.
As for your statement of not seeing the results, no one else has either.(not saying they arent there) You are the one who just said the results were made public.
Jim.
 
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