I did a little more snooping as I still cannot believe someone would go so far as to claim a family member died to gain some kind of understanding from someone they attempted to rip off.
So I made a fake hotmail account with a fake name (Ryan V) and responded (with bad grammar and all) to an ad the "deceased" Amy Caudill posted on another animal classified back on 4/19 before she "died".
Here's all of the emails from beginning to end....
To:
[email protected]
May 5, 2004
Hello. I am wondering if your Savannah Monitor is still for sale.
I saw it on Pet sell.com.please let me know more about him.
I look forward to hearing from you about him.
Thank you.
Ryan V.
and here's her response...
From : <
[email protected]>
Sent : Wednesday, May 5, 2004 11:51 AM
To :
[email protected]
Subject : Re: Monitor
Yes my Savannah Monitor is still for sale. His name is Demon. He is over 2 Ft long. He is kind of aggressive and does hiss a lot. He also does get out of the cage a lot if you do not have something heavy on top of the lid. He is very healthy and is eating really good. He does sleep a lot though. He does like to go outside. You can put him on the leash and he will walk with you. But he does sit in one spot for a while. The only place he really likes to be petted at is on the top of his head. He is shedding right now becasue he is growing more. He is really beautiful and a great animal to have, but I am just running out of room for him. I am looking for a really good home for him to go to.
Thank You,
Amy
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Amy?! She's ALIVE!!! And selling reptiles...LOL!
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So I emailed her back (I forgot to save a couple of my email to her) asking her if she had a business and what it was called and if she had any other animals for sale.
I got this email in response from her.....
I do not have any pictures of him.I am located in Davison, MI. I can ship, but shipping arrangments must be paid and made by you. Actually, I breeders reptiles and I have a large list of the ones that are currently avaiable. I will include that below. I am asking $450 for Demon with the cage and everything and thats my final offer.
Thank You,
Amy Caudill
Price List
Updated 4/26/04
Lizards
1 left- Island Bearded Dragon $135
1 left- Big Baby Bearded Dragon $120
2 left- Frilled Dragon $180 ( take both for $330) (breeding pair)
1 left- Baby Green Iguanas $35.50
1 left- El Salvador Blue Iguanas $40.75
3 left- Spotted Salamanders $20 ( take all 3 for $55)
2 left- Blue Anoles (BIG) $30 ( take both for $50)
1 left- Prehensile Tailed Skink $450
1 left- Baby Mali Uromastyx $100
2 left- Red Eyed Armored Skink $100 ( take both for $200) (breeding pair)
2 left- Glass Lizard $60 ( take both for $105)
2 left- Common Scaly Legless Lizard $80 ( both for $160)
2 left- Blue Tounge Skinks $120 (both for $215) (breeding pair)
1 left- Baby Mt. Spiny Lizard $50
1 left- Crevice Mountain Spiny Lizard $50.50
2 left- Emerald Amevias $40 (both for $60) ( breeding pair)
2 left- Jewel Lizards $25 (both for $50)
2 left- Pale Agamas $20 (both for $40)
1 left- Pink Belly Swift $18.25
1 left- Sudan Plated Lizard $80
3 left- Sandfish $17 (all 3 for $50)
3 left- Spotted Desert Lacertas $27 (all 3 for $70)
2 left- Baby Water Dragons $25 (both for $50)
2 left- Yellow Throat Plated Lizards $32 (both for $60)
2 left- Red Sided Skinks $30 (both for $55)
1 left- Monkey Tail Skink $500
5 left- Fire Belly Newts $15 (all 5 for $60)
Geckos
1 left- Mossy Leaf Tail Gecko $90
5 left- Baby Leusistic Leopard Geckos $55 (all 5 for $250)
4 left- Baby Albino Leopard geckos $60 ( all 4 for $200)
1 left- Flying Gecko $30
3 left- Golden Geckos $10 (all 3 for $30)
2 left- Giant Leaf Tail Geckos $100 (both for $160)
2 left- Tokay Geckos $28 ( both for 45)
Chameleons
1 left- Sunburst Veiled Chameleon $550
4 left- Senegal Chameleons $35.25 (all 3 for $120)
4 left- Baby Flapneck Chameleons $60 (all 4 for $200)
1 left- Oustalleti Chameleon $165
1 left- Verrucosus Chameleon $160
Tegus
2 left- Gold Tegus $90.50 (both for $165.50)
1 left- Colombian Tegus $183
1 left- Aregntine Tegus $225
Monitors
1 left- Asian Water Monitor $430
3 left- Salvator Water Monitor Babies $370 (all 3 for $1000)
2 left- Timor Monitors $200 (both for $400)
3 left- Baby Nile Monitors $80 (all 3 for $240)
4 left- Baby savannaah Monitors $65 (all 4 for $250)
1 left- Common Ridge-Tailed Monitor $1000
1 left- Freckled Monitor $1430
1 left- Lace Monitor $4815
Alligators
2 left- Baby Gators $70 (both for $150)
1 left- Gator (2-3 FT.) $200
Snakes
1 left- Yellow Anaconda $500
1 left- Green Anaconda $400
2 left- Anerythristic Corn Snake $70 (both for $120)
2 left- Pink Snow Corn Snakes $100 (both for $160)
2 left- Trinket Snake $80 (both for $160)
3 left- Texas Whipsnake $75 (all 3 for $150)
2 left- Bullsnake $80 (both for $160)
1 left- African Rock Python $550
2 left- Kenyan Sand Boa $120 (both for $200)
1 left- California Kingsnake 55 chocolate adult $185
1 left- Scarlet Kingsnake $140
2 left- Rough Green Snake $35 (both for $70)
2 left- Florida Blue Garter $30 (both for $50)
1 left- Green Water Snake $35
1 left- Banded Water Snake $40
1 left- Yellow Ratsnake $50
1 left- Red Ratsnake $50
2 left- Rock Python $100 (both for $180)
1 left- Albino Sonoran Gopher Snake $90
2 left- Black Hognose Snake $120 (both for $240)
1 left- Iranian Jaya Carpet Python $300
3 left- Baby Jungle Carpet Pythons $200 (all 3 for $540)
1 left- Green Tree Python $700
1 left- Childrens Python $360
4 left- Baby Ball Python (hatchlings) $60 (all 4 for $200)
1 left- Baby Colombian Red-Tail Boa $170
1 left- Baby Burmese Python $300
2 left- Baby Albino Corn Snakes $65 (both for $120)
1 left- Baby Snow Corn Snake $80
2 left- Baby Albino Burmese Python $450
1 left- Emerald Tree Boa $500
3 left- Amazon Tree Boas $90 (all 3 for $170)
2 left- Brazilian Rainbow Boa $300 (both for $480) (breeding pair)
1 left- Dumerills Boa $470
1 left- Baby Macklotts Python $165
1 left- Baby Suriname Red Tail Boa $440
2 left- baby Colored Amazon Tree Boa $200 (both for $400)
1 left- Dia X Carpet Python $455
Turtles/Tortoises
2 left- Golden Greek Tortoise $70 (both for $140)
1 left- 4in. Red Ear Slider $25
2 left- Yellow Fott Tortoise $255 (both for $410)
2 left- Burmese Mountain Tortoise $220 (both for $400)
3 left- Baby Map Turtles $20 (all 3 for 50)
2 left- Baby Pininsular Cooters $20 (both for $35)
2 left- 4in. Map Turtles $25 (both for $45)
2 left- 4in. Musk Turtles $25 (both for $45)
2 left- Red Foot Tortoise Female $195 Male $175 (both for $300) (breeding pair)
2 left- Baby Sulcatta Tortoise $180 (both for $300)
Frogs
2 left- Baby Red Eye Tree Frogs $40 (both for $70)
2 left- Rainbow Tree Frogs $30 (both for $60)
4 left- Green Tree Frogs $9 (all for for $35)
2 left- Baby Pacman Frogs $20 (both for $30)
3 left- Fire Belly Toads $8 (all 3 for $20)
1 left- Atgus Reed Frog $25
1 left- Big Budgett Frog $50
1 left- Bufo Toad (Green Large Egyptian) $20
2 left- Baby Albino Pacman Frogs $36 (both for $65)
1 left- Baby Budgett Frog $35
1 left- Foam Nest Tree Frog $36
1 left- Gold Sedge Frog $40
1 left- Malaysian Red Eye Frog $45
2 left- Pulchra Mantellas $50 (both for $80)
1 left- Painted Mantellas $50
2 left- Pipa Pipa Toads $43 (both for $75)
2 left- Pixie Frogs-medium $35 (both for $60)
1 left- Pixie Frog-large $45
1 left- Parkers Reed Frog $22
1 left- Rococo Toad $30
1 left- Reed Frogs West African $13
2 left- Red and White Walking Frogs $30 (both for $45)
1 left- Suroname Crested Toad $28
1 left- Tinker Reed Frog $20
1 left- Tomato Frog $35
1 left- Whites Trees Frog $30
Tarantulas
1 left- Cobalt Blue Tarantula $50
1 left- Goliath Pink Foot Tarantula $110 (very big)
2 left- Mexican Red Leg Tarantula $45 (both for $80)
2 left- Brazilian Giant Salmon Tarantula $35 (both for $70)
2 left- Baby Indian Ornamental Tarantulas $70 (both for $140)
Scorpions
3 left- Emperor Scorpions $20 (all 3 for $50)
1 left- Baby Fat-Tail Scorpion $35
2 left- Flat Rock Scorpions $65 (both for $120)
2 left- Forest Bi-Color Scorpions $50 (both for $90)
JUMBO MILLIPEDES 4 left- $15 (all 4 for $50)
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That's quite the list! And look at those prices!
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So I emailed her asking about the lace monitor, ridgetail and other critter and questions about shipping and she responded back with this....
The name of my business is my name. (Amy Caudill). Actually, I got an offer about a half hour ago for Demon for $300 and that is just for him. So you can have just him for $350. The ridge tail monitor is just a common ridge tail monitor. The only babies for sale is what I have on the list. Those are the only animals that I currently have avaiable for sale. The Lace Monitor is a male. He is aggressive. I'm not exactly sure of how big he is, but he's got to be about 2 FT. The Lace I got from my aunt. She breeds reptiles also. So I buy babies from her so I can breed them when they are old enough. As for shipping. I have the buyer arrange for shipping. I usually tell them to have shipping done through FedX, because it is cheaper. All you have to do is call and ask them how much it would could to have reptiles shipped to where you live from Davison, MI. From what I know, through FedX, you don't have to have an account. But if you can't get the arrangements made, just let me know and I will have that done. But I do charge more if I have to make the shipping arrangements. I feel that the buyer should make the arrangements for safety. But get back to me as soon as possible.
Thank You,
Amy Caudill
And I emailed her back with this....
Amy,
Why would you offer it to me for more than the person who became intersted in Demon after me?
If I buy more stuffwould you do it for $300?
I think I want to get the pair of Frill dragons, a water monitor and the pair of Red eye Amored Skinks And one Bicolor scorpion. All with Demon if you'll sell him to me still. Can you give me a total for all of them? Would you make me any deals since I am buying a bunch of stuff from you? I need to check to see about shippin them though.
Would I pay you for shipping them if I end up setting it up myself or would I pay fedx myself?
Thank you again.
RyanV
I emailed her back telling her what I would want to "order" and asking more about who I would pay shipping too (playing stupid). She emailed back....
You would pay FedX. I will send you another e-mail with the total for the animals. I will deduct some from the total.
She emailed a bit later with this....
From : <
[email protected]>
Sent : Wednesday, May 5, 2004 6:25 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject : Demon
I will let you have Demon for $330 and that is my final offer.
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Keep in mind, "Demon" is a Savannah monitor.
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Then she sends me this email....
From : <
[email protected]>
Sent : Wednesday, May 5, 2004 6:31 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject : another price list
I am going to send you another price list only for you with some lower prices . Not all of the prices will be lowered though because a lot of these I am selling a lot cheaper than what I orginally paid for them.
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Gee thanks...what a deal!
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And so she sends me a new list....
From : <
[email protected]>
Sent : Wednesday, May 5, 2004 6:48 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject : heres the ones I changed the prices on...
| | | Inbox
I just sent all the ones that I changed the prices on.
2 left- Frilled Dragon $180 ( take both for $300) (breeding pair)
1 left- Baby Green Iguanas $30
1 left- El Salvador Blue Iguanas $35
1 left- Baby Mt. Spiny Lizard $40
1 left- Crevice Mountain Spiny Lizard $45
1 left- Monkey Tail Skink $450
1 left- Colombian Tegus $145
1 left- Aregntine Tegus $190
1 left- Asian Water Monitor $400
3 left- Salvator Water Monitor Babies $340 (all 3 for $680)
With the Salvator Water Monitors Babies, the only reason why I lowered it down so much is because I really need to find them a home. If you take all all the water Monitors, I'll give them to you for $875 and thats my final offer. Also, if you take all of the ones I have listed on this e-mail, Demon, and the ones that you have listed on the e-mail you sent me, I will give you an even bigger discount. I will include the prices on another e-mail.
Then she sends me a price total...
From : <
[email protected]>
Sent : Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:09 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject : total- Let me know ASAP!!!
| | | Inbox
Here is the first total for the ones that you have sent me including Demon.
Total #1
Demon $330
2 Frilled Dragons $300
2 Red Eyed Armored Skinks $200
1 Forest Bi-Color Scorpion $50
1 Asian Water Monitor $400
Total $1280
Total #2
Demon $330
2 Frilled Dragons $300
2 Red Eyed Armored Skinks $200
1 Forest Bi-Color Scorpion $50
1 Salvator Water Monitor Babies $340
Total $1220
Total #3
Demon $330
2 Frilled Dragon $180 ( take both for $300) (breeding pair)
1 Baby Green Iguanas $30
1 El Salvador Blue Iguanas $35
1 Baby Mt. Spiny Lizard $40
1 Crevice Mountain Spiny Lizard $45
1 Monkey Tail Skink $450
1 Colombian Tegus $145
1 Aregntine Tegus $190
1 Asian Water Monitor $400
3 Salvator Water Monitor Babies $340 (all 3 for $680)
2 Red Eyed Armored Skinks $200
1 Forest Bi- Color Scorpion $50
Total $2495 ( would originally be $2895 without the discount I'm giving to if you take all on Total #3. That is a $400 discount. Personally, I think that would be a really good deal.)
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I had originally asked about the animals in group#1. And now she's trying to get me to buy package deals...still with ridiculous prices.
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So I sent her this email.....
I have a budget to follow and I can't spend more than $2000 for the reptiles including th shipping costs.
I think I'll take the savanah, the pair of frills,the pair of armored skinks,1 bicolor scorpion, 1 asian water monitor, and the 3 baby Salvators and 1 argintine tegu.
That's about all I can afford right now.
Just let me know the total for those and I can get a money order sent out for you. I need to know what name to make it out to and where to send it to.
Also, the fedx people needd to know your name and adress and phone number before they will ship. They said they need to know who the shipper is before they will ship any goods. I told them I would get it and call them back tomorrow. They also needed to know when you would want to ship the packge so they can pick it up from yu. Are you going to ship them in one big box?
RyanV
And I got this email back...
From : <
[email protected]>
Sent : Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:58 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject : Re: total- Let me know ASAP!!!
| | | Inbox
I am not sure yet how all of it will be shipped yet. I will arrrange a date for you to have them pick up the animals. Here is the following info you will need:
Amy Caudill
*** ** ******
Davison, MI 48423
1-810-516-**** is my phone number
As soon as I get the money order, I will have to go buy some shipping boxes.
Demon $330
2 Frilled Dragons $300
2 Red Eyed Armored Skinks $200
1 Forest Bi-Color Scorpion $50
1 Asian Water Monitor $400
3 Salvator Water Monitor Babies $680
Total $1660
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And that's where I decided to stop with the fake emails to her. All along I just wanted to see who she wanted the money order to be made out to and sure enough, it was to be made out to Amy Caudill, the supposed victim of a drunk driver.
This person is truly scamming! And what a storyteller!
I just had to get definitive proof that this "death" was a hoax and I got it. I had to stoop a bit but I am satisfied.
So all you folks, watch out! It won't be too hard to spot...just look for the price list with ridiculously high prices!
- RyanV...err, Yasser
