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Inquiry- Michael Whitefeather

michael whitefeather

this is a reply to ricks last post. i am amazed at how after i posted the toal of money completely changed that i owed you. you stated that i owe you 500.00 from the dealings with the large retic. i told you i wnted 1000.00 for her and that is what stan paid for her. if you remember i even said something to you and you said you screwed up when you listed her. now if i am wrong and you have the emails that say different than what i am then either post it or email it to me and if i am indeed wrong i will make it right. also you state 250.00 is owed to you as well. the dealings with your friend in arizona was for 2750.00 that is what i recieved no more no less. you yourself stated to me you charged him 3000.00 for the package. so in that case you made your 250.00. but once again if you have the emails that show different please provide them so it can be resloved. now for the 70.00 dollar shipping charge if you have proof of that please provide it and it will be taken care of as well. this is as fair as i can be on this subject. if you have all the emails to show me that i am in the wrong than please make them available so that this whole matter can be resolved and the truth can be made known. if i am at fault than so be it no harm no foul, but please provide the paperwork to back up your claims. and thank you to all those that have posted on my behalf. it is nice to know that the animals that are produced here have made people happy. and for evan stahl please realize that this is the year for the blackhawks( i hope ). thanks to all who have taken the time to read this, and you all have a safe holiday. sincerly, michael whitefeather
 
Mike

I will gather and print all info you requested and mail to you certified..Then we will see if this gets resolved...Also you left out a few things...Why I do not have my snake yet and why you never went through with dons deal..After you promised to ship?

Rick Tozer
 
michael whitefeather

i am not going to turn this into a pi$$ing match with you rick. i find it rather revolting that you have the gall to come on here and slamm me, but once i replied to the first post everything changes from one post to another post as you try to continue to drag things out. at first it was all about how this person sent money and that person sent money to YOU. you recieved money from them for animals that you never paid for and dragged them along with your stories of this and that. if you would have just paid me for the animals all would have been happy. if you go back and reread your posts the stories are allways changing. what about the people that sent you there hard earned money that would up with nothing? can you answer that ? you are trying to make yourself out to look like the victim, when in all truth it those that sent you money that are truly the victims. you talk about doing this and that well go ahead. its like the old saying , give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves with it. i think that you have hung yourself 10 fold. as for don goes we have spoke so please involve yourself in our dealings. this is between you , me and the people you screwed over for a lot of money. as for your female the original agreement stands. i will not put any $ out for anything that involves you or this whole situation. if i am proved wrong on anything then yes i will make it right. sincerly michael whitefeather
 
It is really ironic that Mike mentioned to me along time ago that he did not want to sell animals online because of a thread on this board where I was getting slammed for an internet deal. So sure enough here we are Mike. You called it.

My Red Wings are looking rough right now, but I will be speaking to several of them at some charity signings over the holidays and try to get them going in the right direction. I don't know if it is not their year but I am willing to bet some retics that the Blackhawks won't see Lord Stanley's cup this year (did I mention that we still have the cup here in Detroit for the Thanksgiving parade?). Evan Stahl


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MIKE

YOUR THE ONE WHO CHANGES EVERYTHING..AS PER ARE LLAST CONVERSATION.WE HAD A QUOTE MIS COMMUNICATION..yOU WHERE GOING TO SEND THE GUY IN MICHIGAN HIS SNAKE AND PAY BACK THE GUY IN ARKANSAS..i WAS TO PAY BACK ANDREW..wELL AGAIN YOU NEVER DID ANYTHING..AS USUAL..I SCREWED NOBODY 2 OUT OF 3 INVOLVED IN THIS WERE PAID BACK.I AM STILL WORKING ON ONE LAST PERSON..BUT WE ARE IN CONSTANT CONTAC..SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT..YOU SCREWED ME......I WILL NEVER GO AWAY.DO WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO INTENTION ON MAKING THINGS RIGHT WITH ME..AS FAR AS ANYBODY READING THIS..YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE A EDUCATED DECISION IN WHAT TO BELIEVE..I DO NOT CARE IF YOU BELIEVE ME OR NOT...THE FACT IS THE STORY IS OUT IN THE PUBLIC IT IS THE TRUTH AND FROM NOW TILL THE END OF TIME I WILL ANSWER EVERY INQUIRY ABOUT YOU WITH THE TRUTH...ANYBODY THAT EVER ASKS WILL BE TOLD....SAD PART IS I REALLY LIKED YOU AND TALKING TO YOU..YOU ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND YOUR ANIMALS ARE AWESOME..TOO BAD YOU WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF YOUR MISGIVINGS...

BTW ANYBODY INTERESTED MIKE WANTED ME TO SELL ANIMALS FOR HIM BECAUSE HE DOES NOT LIKE DEALING WITH PEOPLE...THAT IS A QUOTE...
I AM DONE WITH THIS..

LATER

RICK TOZER
 
You know what Rick, Mike has been real low key and offered to work things out if you put up proof to back up your claims. You keep saying you have that proof but don't post it. Why? If you have it why aren't you posting it here, right now?

What is wrong with Mike telling you that he does not want to deal with people and sell his animals through others. Most breeders in the world sell the bulk of their production to middle men. You have never even heard of many huge scale breeders because they don't advertise and sell 100% wholesale to a couple customers. Even the bulk of the breeders who do advertise and do shows sell the vast majority of their product wholesale.

There are hundreds of people that I really enjoy talking to and selling to every year. There are hundreds of people that I do not enjoy talking to and selling to every year. What is wrong with that? You should be impressed that Mike was honest enough to say something like that instead of thinking you would throw it out in a sad attempt to hurt him.

Simply, you offer no proof or evidence of your claims and admit that you took money from people and did not give it to Mike. Mike did not ship the animals because you never paid and now you are refunding the money. That is your screw up not anyone else.

If Mike wanted to, he could print this thread out, take it to an attorney and file suite against you for slander and defamation since you refuse to give evidence to back up your claims. Evan Stahl
 
EVAN

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS I TOLD MIKE IN A PREVIOUS POST THAT I AM PRINTING AND MAILING THE EMAILS SENT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN US..WITH ALL ARE ARRANGEMENTS CLEARLY STATED....I WILL SEND IT THROUGH THE MAIL CERTIFIED...I WANT NO SCREWUPS..AS WELL AS THE RECEIPT THAT I HAD TO PAY SHIPPING ON MY SNAKE..WICH HE AGREED TO PAY..ATTORNEYS? HE ADMITS HE HAS OWED ME A SNAKE FOR ALMOST 8 MONTHS..WHEN DOES THEFT KICK IN? YOU KNOW NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU HEARD SO STAY OUT OF IT...JUST A OPINION BUT WHEN THE TRUTH DOES FINALLY COME OUT THIS LITTLE EPISODE WILL NOT LOOK TO GOOD ON YOUR RESUME..ME I DONT CARE I AM OUT OF THE SNAKE BUSINESS..TO MANY @$$&#@@#...btw ITS MY UNDERSTANDING HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE THIS SNAKE ANYMORE? i DO NOT KNOW THOUGH ITS JUST HEARSAY.....ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO THROW OUT JUST SO ITS ON PUBLIC RECORD,,THE TIGER RETICS HE SOLD DON MERCER ARE GUARANTEED 100% HET FOR ALBINO..WITH THIS IN WRITING FROM MIKE WHITEFEATHER,..ALSO IN WRITING IS HE WILL BE REIMBURSED BY MIKE IF THEY PROVE NOT...NOT SAYING THEY ARE OR ARENT JUST WANTED IT ON RECORD FOR FUTURE USE...

tHANKS

RICK TOZER
 
michael whitefeather

rick there is no need to get so upset and start with other people. its good that you are out of the snake biz. this way no one else will get there money taken without recieving animals. so in our eyes the only @#^*%$@ is you. you have proven it time and time again with you useless accusations. why dont you address the fact that you took money from people and never sent them animals and that you strung them along for months. and why is it you seem so concern about my and dons transactions. start adressing whats important like the fact you sold animals you never had and never had the intention of paying me for. dons a big boy. i am sure that he can take care of himself. so quit using him as a crutch. you have no grounds or facts to support anything here. so unless you are going to provide proof here on this thread not through a dream mailings of paper that does not exsist. please do not waste anyones time with garbage. now i am sure that if want to address the reasons why you took others money and never paid for animals causing them to lose out than please let it rest and maybe go find a unicorn to go with your ficticious paerwork and emails. remember your the scammer that took money from people not me. if some of my comments offend anyone i am sorry, but this situation has grown old. sincerly michael whitefeather
 
It never ceases to amaze me that people will make posts on a public forum, and then respond to someone else's post by saying:

"MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS"

If you post your business on a public forum, people are going to read it and respond....and some of them will not agree with you. That's no reason to launch a personal attack, is it?
 
EVERYONE

YUP I AM DUMB ENOUGH TO COME ON HERE AND LIE...GET REAL..I WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING ..I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN TILL MONDAY...

THANKS
RICK TOZER
 
ms_terese

i ONLY WANT PEOPLE TO MIND THERE OWN BUSINESS WHEN THEY ARE SPEAKING OF SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF...ANYWAYS I AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD..THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL BELIEVE ME AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL BELIEVE MR. WHITEFEATHER..I CANT CHANGE THAT..SO AGAIN I WISH EVERYBODY A GOOD THANKSGIVING...

THANKS

RICK TOZER
 
There is just one big problem with everything you say Rick... YOU ARE A COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT! You come on a public forum throwing out unsubstantiated claims and accusations and you feel no obligation to back them up? Then you tell me to mind my own business? This is an open forum nazi. I will say what I want. I am a born and raised citizen of this country and will excersise my freedom of speech until you come here and shut me up bubba! You are just major league dumb pal! If you are accusing Mike of theft, misrepresentation, fraud, mail fraud and a list of other crimes that amount to possbile felony charges, you DAMN WELL BETTER put the info right here where your big mouth is! If it were me, I would have already had the papers from my attorney in your hand to cease and desist until I drag you through civil and criminal courts and wipe you out! You have accomplished nothing here but made yourself look dumb. Mike has been courteous and neutral to your offensive comments. I won't be. You think that some clouds are going to part and the light from heaven will shine down on you and because I defended somebody you are slandering that will hurt my reputation? I don't even know you, but I know that you suck and that I would side with Mike over you anytime! Do your worst little man. All talk. Bark little dog. Bark. Evan Stahl
 
OK, let's calm it down a bit. Things are getting too personal among the participants of this thread.

But I do have to comment on one thing here:

YUP I AM DUMB ENOUGH TO COME ON HERE AND LIE...
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Well it wouldn't be the first time it has happened here on the BOI. And the people the read these threads will comb through everything said looking for inconsistencies. If a person is a good liar, they just might get away with it. But eventually, sometimes painfully, the truth will often be revealed.

The reason you came here Rick, is because you wanted to make something private that you know, into public knowledge. That means YOU made it everyone's business. Even people whom may not agree with your point of view. You are not the first person to discover that the blade slashes both ways.
 
Over the past few months we've watched this whole Whitefeather fiasco unfold. In that time, he has refused to pay one of our partners for products received and also caused trouble for one of our employees regarding the dubious sale of an animal. Due to these circumstances, we feel that we can no longer give Michael Whitefeather any kind of good reference. While we will not deny Michael purchased animals from us in the past & was prompt in paying for them at the time, his more recent actions have prompted us to take a much more wary stance regarding this whole situation.

Kara Glasgow - NERD, Inc.
 
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