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Inquiry: MKR: Morph King Reptiles

Just to clarify the male spider we paid more for was not from MKR.
You can't get better animals than MKR has no matter what the price.

Josh @ J&J REPTILES :reddevil:
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Ed Clark said:
Stephanie, sorry to hear that mkr gave you the run around. I will beat there prices on albinos and hets. that I produced. and will treat you as a valued customer! :)
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Ed, why are you wanting to compete with MKR's prices? I thought you were upset about them (and others) who sell for less then you? Yet here you are stating you will sell for cheaper? Just curious.
 
Michael, seen that steph. was not being treated fairly by MKR and wanted to help her out if I could. did not look at the date on her post.

After some thought, I have decieded that I do not want to beat MKR prices. I have a superior bunch of ball pythons, that are not mass produced and are not genetically weak. :yesnod:

I guess that I just got caught up in the moment. :shrug01:
 
Ed, got a couple of questions here.

1st. Is there a new editor of the newsletter for the Brotherhood? I haven't gotten on for a few weeks.

2nd. Do you know that MKR has genitcally inferior snakes? If so, how?

Thanks
 
Wes, I said that my ball pythons are not mass produced and are not genetically weak.

As you would expect the brotherhood is up in arms over all this crap.

And I do believe that we have a better understanding of some peoples mental state of being. :yesnod:
 
Ed Clark said:
Wes, I said that my ball pythons are not mass produced and are not genetically weak.

As you would expect the brotherhood is up in arms over all this crap.

And I do believe that we have a better understanding of some peoples mental state of being. :yesnod:
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You know, sometimes I am so used to reading between the lines that I forget to read the lines themselves properly.

Thanks for that quick, consise, and polite response.

Would that we could all do such as you do.
 
Good question, Ed what do you have to say? I have purchased alot of amazing animals form MKR. YOU ARE CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE INFERIOR ARE YOU? You had better have some proof!

This animal is from MKR. Does he look inferior to you?

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kyle, you ask if that bee looks inferior, cant tell by your photo. the color is way off, bees have a vibrant yellow color, yours looks washed out.

Tell me, how are you going to feel when its time to sell a couple of your babies and MKR is priceing them at $299.99
 
Ed, come now! are you serious?

First of all, the Bumble Bee is Beautiful. Thats a fact.

Second, MKR bought a Pinstripe in 05 for like $18,500.00 and now how much are they worth? Oh by the way MKR has not produced any Pinstripes to my knowledge. Who effected that market? How long do you think Bumble Bees can stay at a high price in the market?

I am not sure if this was you or not so please clarify, Did you sell or try to sell a Caramel Albino for $4500.00? Was that you? I do not want to accuse you of anything that you have not done.
 
Royal Variations Ltd said:
Ed, come now! are you serious?

First of all, the Bumble Bee is Beautiful. Thats a fact.

Second, MKR bought a Pinstripe in 05 for like $18,500.00 and now how much are they worth? Oh by the way MKR has not produced any Pinstripes to my knowledge. Who effected that market? How long do you think Bumble Bees can stay at a high price in the market?

I am not sure if this was you or not so please clarify, Did you sell or try to sell a Caramel Albino for $4500.00? Was that you? I do not want to accuse you of anything that you have not done.
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Reading between the lines I get this. Does anyone agree with me or am I translating incorrectly?

My pee pee is bigger than your pee pee.

That's all I can get out of it.
 
Kyle, you ask me to clarify. let me make this crystal clear for you. my female caramel albinos are $4500.00 and my male caramel albinos are $6500.00

You can view them on the ball python ads here on fauna.

Does that make it clear enought for you.
 
Ed Clark said:
After some thought, I have decieded that I do not want to beat MKR prices. I have a superior bunch of ball pythons, that are not mass produced and are not genetically weak.

So you are saying that animals mass produced are genetically weak?
This comming from a guy who sells Ian G's animals.
I guess some one better tell, Ralph Davis, BHB,The Bells, Pete Khal,VPI,Nerd,Snake Keeper, and all the other "mass" producers that there balls are gentically weak. I have a feeling you will be very popular after that.
MKR. Is and ALWAYS will be the best... DEAL WITH IT!! :angry:

Josh @ J&J REPTILES :reddevil:
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Thank you Ed,


I appreciate you clarifying the information. I asked only because I thought that was a low price for Caramel's, and it is lower based on other peoples prices.




Wilomn said:
Reading between the lines I get this. Does anyone agree with me or am I translating incorrectly?

My pee pee is bigger than your pee pee.

That's all I can get out of it.
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PEE PEE's? I thought we were discussing my Bumble Bee and the prices on animals based on Ed's question? The fact that we disagree or agree has nothing to do with any immature personal reflections of each other. I certainly can not fault Ed or anyone if they do not like my animals. That would be a matter of personal taste. Instead of reading between the lines perhaps you should read the lines. Then again your perception of what is intended is entirely up to you. :confused:
 
personally i think that Bumblebee looked pretty darn nice. Theres just not a ton of lighting to bring those colors out.

What is up with all the stupid side comments and posturing going on lately. Knock it off PLEASE. ( yes its a little hypocritical, but somone has to say something!)
 
Josh, I have a large group of choice ball python breeders that im proud of, and I stated that my balls are not mass produced and are not genetically weak. now how the hell do you read something into it like im putting down anyone else.

You talk about Ian G. like hes a bad person. not true. he produces an abundance of high quality balls every year. Yes I buy some baby balls from Ian every year, no big secret. the reason that I buy from him is he is producing stuff that I do not, and I like to offer my customers a nice variety.

Pot, Kettle. josh you are a reseller, you produce nothing. you are buying that crap from the importers in florida. yet you want to disrespect me.

If you think that MKR is the best.thats your opinion and I respect that.
 
I have never done buisness with mkr, do not know either of them and likely will not be doing business with them. There is one thing that keeps this industry alive and that is a consistent tiered pricing structure. You need to have clear bulk wholesale for resellers, smaller quantity wholesale for pet shops and a retail price to the public for everything. That is the only way that pet shops and private breeders will stay alive.
If not you have only volume breeders and the public left.

When you buy an animal from somebody for $5,000 and then breed it the next year or two, you should see them selling the animal you purchased at a lower price as the market adjusts, typically $2,500 maybe lower. But when people are selling customers animals for $5000+ and then dump the price in less than a year to $500-800 on spiders, mojaves and other morphs, all that does is hurt the little guy who paid good money for that animal and has not yet had a chance to produce anything to get his money back out of it.

Never does somebody lower the price on their product down to 10% of what it was the previous year. This was intentional done by these two guys to hurt specific people in the industry. What they have done instead is to drive the market on several products down the toilet so far that they are not rebounding and people are unable to sell their animals, even at ridiculously cheap prices because there is now a fear in the little guy that the same thing will keep happening.

What these guys did was stupid, short sighted and caused much harm to the ball python market. If you like them, hey great, facts are still facts. They are now on everybody's sol list and will be hard pressed to find many people out there to do business with. They aren't welcome to post their animals for sale in very many places and will likely not be welcome at some shows. There was no reason to do what they did. Simple. You have 50 mojaves you want to sell cheap there are always buyers to grab them up and resell them. You don't go and kill the market on the animal by publicly posting them dirt cheap. I am all for free market and selling for whatever you want to sell for but they were just irresponsible.
 
No doubt the rapid and significant price drop hurt a segment of the industry. But in every price adjustment, regardless of the cause, there are always winners and losers. Without getting too long winded about it, there are many who feel that the whole ball market was a super-heated bubble waiting to burst. Kudos to those who made a fortune while they could. Many are still making good money at it, likely because they were better positioned as things tumbled. Want to buy a beanie baby ?
 
Ed Clark said:
Josh, I have a large group of choice ball python breeders that im proud of, and I stated that my balls are not mass produced and are not genetically weak. now how the hell do you read something into it like im putting down anyone else.

You talk about Ian G. like hes a bad person. not true. he produces an abundance of high quality balls every year. Yes I buy some baby balls from Ian every year, no big secret. the reason that I buy from him is he is producing stuff that I do not, and I like to offer my customers a nice variety.

Pot, Kettle. josh you are a reseller, you produce nothing. you are buying that crap from the importers in florida. yet you want to disrespect me.

If you think that MKR is the best.thats your opinion and I respect that.
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Ed,
I am not saying anything about Ian or his animals other than the fact that he does mass produce a lot of animals and his prices are VERY cheap , so they must be genetically weak too?. You made the comment about genetically weak , and mass produced balls. All I am saying is that its pretty obvious what you are getting at. I buy from TONS of private breeders that produce great quality animals and resell them just like your self. We also breed and produce our own animals here.The difference is we are not bitching about someone elses price when we are reselling other peoples animals. We wholesale a lot of our animals for less than the breeders sell them for to the public. As far as buying from the Florida importers....we only buy 500 c.h balls from Ben Seigal each year, the rest of our animals we buy are C.B ONLY!
Our main point is: Why the hell are you so worried about what MKR is doing, saying they are crashing the market, yet earlier you said you will match or beat his price on albino's and hets. If you have good quality animals at a good price, then what they do should not bother you. People will buy from you if they want to no matter what the price.

Josh & Jen @ J&J REPTILES :reddevil:
 
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