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Inquiry: MKR: Morph King Reptiles

shrap said:
I used to be heavy into rock climbing and own thousands of dollars worth of climbing and camping gear. Am I a fool for spending that much cash on that too? One of my best friends loves to restore old cars and has spent way more money than he ever got back out of it.... does that make him a fool too? For spedning money on something he enjoys? I know a couple people that are way into sports memorabilia, they fools too for spending a lot of money on things they enjoy?

I really dont know why so many people have such a crap attitude towards Balls and people who enjoy working with them. There are countless species that I have no desire to keep, but I dont crap on the people that do enjoy keeping them. Just exactly what is it that makes so many people want to crap on people that enjoy working with Balls? And why do you people even care?
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No, Sammy, you are not a fool for enjoying Ball Pythons. And your attitude paraphrased as money well spent for the enjoyment they bring me is right on target. Sadly, you may be in the minority. In the "old days" when all one could get was an import and you were lucky if it survived, they were a real challenge and a frustration too. They are now easy to keep and breed, take up relatively little space, and are in some ways an ideal "pet" snake. But...along with the money of the morph driven market has come some "bad guys" and some who, while not really bad, were just in it to make a buck and didn't really like the animals (maybe a case in point in this thread). And sadly, that taint has spread. I believe the word is prejudice. I don't wish anyone who "invested" in Ball Python morphs any ill, but I am not surprised that those who did will not see the ROI that they expected.
 
Look at it from the bright side though. CRE is selling their "business" as no mega-bucks can be made any more by selling certain morphs, let alone questionable (at best) heteros. :)

Regards.
 
Caramel Albinos

I just watched the web tv episode by Joe and Wes at MKR. Did I hear him right when he said the caramel albinos were his next target next year? I swear he said he would be blowing out 40-50 of them like he did the Mojaves this year. I'll have to watch again to see for sure.

Rick
 
Sammy, sorry if my comment rubbed you the wrong way. It was more of a tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor. If you really enjoy Ball Pythons, and you have the money to spend on high dollar morphs, then go for it! Sadly, the majority of people out there working with Ball morphs are in it only for the money. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard and seen people get into Balls simply based on the belief that they are more profitable than other herp species.

I personally think that Balls are overhyped and like BW, I have been predicting a market crash that will likely leave alot of get-rich-hopefuls standing with their "balls" in the wind. That is more than fine with me. I think there are far cooler and more rewarding reptiles out there to spend money on and work with than Ball Pythons.
 
David,

I am no fan of the people that are trying to keep and sell Balls that really have no interest in the species itself. It is not going to hurt my feelings in the least when the get rich quick people move on to something else. I completely understand what you are saying about that.

As far as cooler and more rewarding reptiles.... two things on this point. First is that is completely subjective and will vary with each and every person out there. Secondly.... who can keep just one species of anything? Once you get the bug you are sucked in for life. :)

On another note completely....

As far as the reptile market in general, I think we are going to see nothing but a steady incline of customer base for years to come. For many of us here the only thing we ever had growing up was Marlin Perkins, Jacques Cousteau (and those rarely touched on reptiles), the library and if we were really lucky we had a local herp society. That was it.

I was one of only 3 kids that I knew growing up in the 70's and early 80's that owned a reptile. I remember when ever any of us were lucky enough to get a new species that didnt come from the woods around us, the first thing we did was go to the library and research the climate of the area where the animal came from. That is how we tried to recreate the temps and humidity levels for their enclosures back then when info was sparse at best.

But the kids today have grown up with Jeff Corwin, Steve Irwin, etc as well as being able to learn from experienced keepers via the internet. For the first time in history reptiles have been getting shown in a positive light to the masses. There are more kids today with interest in reptiles than there ever was when I was growing up. By a LARGE LARGE LARGE margin.

I am really excited about this positive change and not just because of the potential on a business level but most importantly because of the wide spread education the next generation is getting about reptiles. Hopefully we will slowly see more and more of the ignorance and hatred for these animals replaced by understanding and compassion.
 
shrap said:
Secondly.... who can keep just one species of anything? Once you get the bug you are sucked in for life.
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Or in David's case, the next ten to forurteen days before it's up for sale again.
 
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I can hardly wait for GM stock to fall to a price where I can afford it. Screw the people who bought GM stock as an investment years ago and are now going to see their investment fall. I do not own GM stock, I think there are stocks out there that are far more interesting to work with, but I think I will go to the GM blog and tell everyone how smart I am for not buying it, and that I hope it falls in price so I can laugh at everyone, because I was so freakin smart not to have purchased GM stock (not that I could have afforded it) when all those dummies did.
 
Whew!!!
I read from beginning to end and out of everything I read I'm of the opinion that the people complaining the most are the ones asking way over inflated prices for their animals.
Also those same folks are looking to blame someone for their losses due to investing in "livestock", not as admirers or lovers of the animals, but for no other reason than pure greed and lust of money.
Hmmm, I don't understand it, the ones gripping are also the ones who are trying to control, and dictate the market to everyone else for nothing more than their own personal gain.
Joe, he's a business man, he sells, and he demands customer service.
I call the other "breeders" who've posted here to complain and I have to leave a message.
If a person calls MKR they will always get and answer, and someone will always take the time to treat them as though they are the only customer they have.
Seems to me that Even also likes to try and bully people around in the name of the "Brotherhood".
I don't think I buy into the thought process of the complainers, or the "Brotherhood", and someday Even might just meet up with a bigger bully than himself, then I bet he isn't so bold.
I myself have had MKR BP's since before Wes produced his first albino, he's a man who's honest, caring of the animals, and the customer as well.
Joe, he cares about three things, the level of service you recieve before, during, and after a sale is made.
He checks to insure the animal will be housed and cared for properly, and will have Wes to share his vast knowledge with the buyer to insure the animals well being.
They go over and above in my opinion to initiate, nurture, and close close a deal with total integrity, whereby guarantying the welfare of the animal, be it a breeder, or a pet.
I hope this post brings this back to where it was supposed to go in the beginning.

Thanks, Steve Cosby
 
SCosby said:
Whew!!!
I read from beginning to end and out of everything I read I'm of the opinion that the people complaining the most are the ones asking way over inflated prices for their animals.
Also those same folks are looking to blame someone for their losses due to investing in "livestock", not as admirers or lovers of the animals, but for no other reason than pure greed and lust of money.
Hmmm, I don't understand it, the ones gripping are also the ones who are trying to control, and dictate the market to everyone else for nothing more than their own personal gain.
Joe, he's a business man, he sells, and he demands customer service.
I call the other "breeders" who've posted here to complain and I have to leave a message.
If a person calls MKR they will always get and answer, and someone will always take the time to treat them as though they are the only customer they have.
Seems to me that Even also likes to try and bully people around in the name of the "Brotherhood".
I don't think I buy into the thought process of the complainers, or the "Brotherhood", and someday Even might just meet up with a bigger bully than himself, then I bet he isn't so bold.
I myself have had MKR BP's since before Wes produced his first albino, he's a man who's honest, caring of the animals, and the customer as well.
Joe, he cares about three things, the level of service you recieve before, during, and after a sale is made.
He checks to insure the animal will be housed and cared for properly, and will have Wes to share his vast knowledge with the buyer to insure the animals well being.
They go over and above in my opinion to initiate, nurture, and close close a deal with total integrity, whereby guarantying the welfare of the animal, be it a breeder, or a pet.
I hope this post brings this back to where it was supposed to go in the beginning.

Thanks, Steve Cosby
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Spoken like a true MKR employee. Go Steve (or should I call you Ghost?) :rofl:
 
You shoukd research what you say, personal friend and sub-contractor to MKR (MKR's IT guy).
If you don't know me personally, keep your comments to yourself, O.k?

Steve Cosby
 
SCosby said:
You shoukd research what you say, personal friend and sub-contractor to MKR (MKR's IT guy).
If you don't know me personally, keep your comments to yourself, O.k?

Steve Cosby
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Try coming off as honest then, ok?
 
Personal friend and sub-contractor to MKR (MKR's IT guy).

Hmmm, I saw no lie here, if all you care to do is polute this post, move along, the whole point of it was whether or not MKR is a business to do business with.
Unlike you, I've known Wes for over 17 years, I also know more about the goings on of the business than you actually think I do.
So again, Back on topic, MKR is a very dependable, well established business.
They're honest and on the level, and have surrounded themselves with top notch support staff, they aren't a fly by night industry by any means.

Steve Cosby
 
I think it is very fair to also warn those who are looking to do business with them the motivation behind their actions.....some of us now knowing these motives have no desire to do business with anyone who has publicly stated that they are out to put others out of business, to hell with the "acceptable causalties" of those actions.

And then there's those of us who actually care about the animals.....to some, it's more than just a "business", and we like to think of the snakes as living, breathing beings, not simply a means to pump out babies to make more money. Weird concept to some, I know.
 
SCosby said:
Personal friend and sub-contractor to MKR (MKR's IT guy).

Hmmm, I saw no lie here, if all you care to do is polute this post, move along, the whole point of it was whether or not MKR is a business to do business with.
Unlike you, I've known Wes for over 17 years, I also know more about the goings on of the business than you actually think I do.
So again, Back on topic, MKR is a very dependable, well established business.
They're honest and on the level, and have surrounded themselves with top notch support staff, they aren't a fly by night industry by any means.

Steve Cosby
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This morning, on another forum, you were their office manager. Now you are their IT contractor? I bet you know a lot about the business as the office manager.
 
Cat_72 said:
And then there's those of us who actually care about the animals.....to some, it's more than just a "business", and we like to think of the snakes as living, breathing beings, not simply a means to pump out babies to make more money. Weird concept to some, I know.
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I couldnt agree wholeheartedly more about this... :) its the animals that are important, and the real reason why alot of us LOVE this hobby, or aspire to be a bigger part of it as well. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
Unlike the flamers in this forum, the only reason I have any dealings in any aspect of this business is my like of the animals.
I know Wes and Joe are just taking the opportunities given them to offer a quality animal to the public for a reasonable cost.
If the "Brotherhood" members can't step up and take a few notes on customer service and treating folks as they would like to be treated, then as they begin to fail, the reasons should be clear.

Steve Cosby
 
Steve, old buddy or should I call you ghost. hahaha you my friend are so full of crap I can smell you all the way to jersey. there is no sence in defending joe capone or his insane plans of putting all the little guy ball python and gecko breeders out of business, we are a strong group of hobbiests that love what we are doing and will fight you and your kind with ferocity, you come on another forum and lie about everything about you, did you think that you could get away with that.
 
Steve,
Most of the "Brotherhood" possess adequate, if not stellar, customer ethics. They may charge more, if that is what you allege, but they also deliver just fine. One thing they don't do is come here like pompous jerks and toot their own horn. But I guess if no one else cares to yank your crank, you just got to jerk the thing yourself !
 
Steve, its good to see that your man enough to start to post with a real name, when you post to talk trash. you normally hide your identity, why. are you ashamed to be connected with your boss joe capone? you know MKR . that weasel does not have the guts to come here to defend himself or his business all he can do is the infomercial, and yet he calls that his defense?
 
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