Inquiry: MKR: Morph King Reptiles

[albinoballpythons]

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[jglass38]

Can it be spun? Not at all... it's great PR to refund $500 to show that they're "good guys" especially after making the buttloads of money that they supposedly made.

As far as "I'll believe it when I see it"... I'll have that attitude until one of them starts answering the many questions that are still unanswered especially this last one on why they sold someone a Homo/het morph knowing full well that it wasn't.

Exactly!

Jim, you still don't get it man...You are always so quick to take people to task. Why not take MKR to task on the many questions that they have been asked but not answered?

 

[Bill & Amy]

On the other hand, selling that which he does not possess, if true, is another story altogether. Of course I wouldn't blame anyone who didn't want to sell to him now. Why would they?

I still think is a valid concern.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Jamie,

Not sure if you were referring to Jim O. or myself, but since we have similar positions here, in response to your quote:

Jim, you still don't get it man...You are always so quick to take people to task. Why not take MKR to task on the many questions that they have been asked but not answered?

I know this is tough to comprehend, but maybe we "get it" and don't agree with you. As to the "unanswered questions", some of us do not see being called out in the BOI by someone's question as a mandate to reply. MKR has to live with the results.

 

[jglass38]

Not sure if you were referring to Jim O. or myself, but since we have similar positions here, in response to your quote:



I know this is tough to comprehend, but maybe we "get it" and don't agree with you. As to the "unanswered questions", some of us do not see being called out in the BOI by someone's question as a mandate to reply. MKR has to live with the results.

I was referring to Jim O but it could have easily been directed to you. Once again, maybe they'll try to kill the Chameleon market (is there one?) next and you'll be personally affected by their actions.

 

[Jim O]

Jim, you still don't get it man...You are always so quick to take people to task. Why not take MKR to task on the many questions that they have been asked but not answered?

Where are the questions. It was Andre's transaction and I didn't see any questions posted here by Andre. All I saw was someone come here and stir up muck, people bicker, and when the two parties involved in the transaction spoke on the phone it was polite and the issue was resolved to the buyer's satisfaction. Now as to whether MKR "knowingly" scammed Andre in the first place, I don't see where Andre posted that in this thread. If it's there and I missed it then it needs to be addressed.

Here's the thing you don't "get" Jamie. While I might be sad if MKR and other "big guys" put all or most of the small time Ball Python breeders out of business, it is their right to do so if they do it honestly. That's the American way, like it or not. Sam Walton put a lot of small stores out of business. Was it good? Irrelevant. It was legal and it done was through successful strategy and competition. Competition is good in any market.

So perhaps Andre would like to come forward here and present evidence that this was an intention attempt to scam him and not a misunderstanding. After all, he now has the money and the snake and has nothing more at risk. Then I would surely "take them to task". Until then this looks like a happy customer.

 

[jglass38]

Where are the questions. It was Andre's transaction and I didn't see any questions posted here by Andre. All I saw was someone come here and stir up muck, people bicker, and when the two parties involved in the transaction spoke on the phone it was polite and the issue was resolved to the buyer's satisfaction. Now as to whether MKR "knowingly" scammed Andre in the first place, I don't see where Andre posted that in this thread. If it's there and I missed it then it needs to be addressed.

Here's the thing you don't "get" Jamie. While I might be sad if MKR and other "big guys" put all or most of the small time Ball Python breeders out of business, it is their right to do so if they do it honestly. That's the American way, like it or not. Sam Walton put a lot of small stores out of business. Was it good? Irrelevant. It was legal and it done was through successful strategy and competition. Competition is good in any market.

So perhaps Andre would like to come forward here and present evidence that this was an intention attempt to scam him and not a misunderstanding. After all, he now has the money and the snake and has nothing more at risk. Then I would surely "take them to task". Until then this looks like a happy customer.

The questions posed to MKR were here long before Andre's story was posted. MKR is talking about putting everyone out of business. You don't have any stake in it, so its a non issue to you.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Jamie,

Once again, maybe they'll try to kill the Chameleon market (is there one?) next and you'll be personally affected by their actions.

Jim O's answer about competition, which was about the 50th time such an explanation about the competitive market has been given in this thread, answers it all again for you. Hate to burst your bubble, but I already have competitors who are quite motivated by their efforts to gain market share, and could care less already if done at my expense. As for "killing the market", take a look. MKR has deflated the easy-money market for hets, taking it closer to a one-price-fits-all then it was before. They certainly haven't killed the demand for ball pythons, only made it more competitive. If they want to run to the chameleon market that has no hets, and has long been in the "one price fits all" range, someone should roll out the red carpet for them. To be honest Jamie, the "we don't get it" crap, or "we don't understand" because our markets are somehow not competitive just doesn't hold water. We already are where MKR is taking you. The water is fine if you know how to swim

 

[Jim O]

The questions posed to MKR were here long before Andre's story was posted. MKR is talking about putting everyone out of business. You don't have any stake in it, so its a non issue to you.

Then why "take me to task" for not "taking them to task". Can't have it both ways Jamie. But I did answer it. More than once in fact. I'll give you the Cliffs Notes version: Let them talk, let them try, and if they succeed (which I have also said many times I do not believe that they will) then so be it.

 

[jglass38]

Let them talk, let them try, and if they succeed (which I have also said many times I do not believe that they will) then so be it.

I guess we will all wait and see. Some with more invested in the outcome than others.

 

[Jim O]

I guess we will all wait and see. Some with more invested in the outcome than others.

Jamie,

I believe in free markets, for the most part. If someone can produce enough Ball Pythons so that beautiful morphs are available at reasonable prices that may make me interested in owning one. If you invested (and that is the key word that you used) in high dollar Ball Python morphs and now you are upset that those morphs are not worth what you paid and their offspring will not be worth what you forcasted in making your business plan then that is sad, but just goes to prove the saying that "it isn't an investment if it doesn't involve risk". Another saying is "if you haven't lost on some investments then you haven't made enough investments".

MKR is in this business to make money. I believe that they will implode for a variety of reasons, not least of which is Joe Capone's big pie hole. Whether they do or they do not, someone will likely succeed at getting "big enough" to affect the market and put the squeeze on small guys. This market is like a vacuum waiting for just that to happen.

Thinking logically about the whole thing, one has to realize that there are only so many people who want to buy and keep high dollar snakes in their house. If the average Ball Python clutch is 4-6 eggs and the time to sexual maturity is 2-3 years, how long before the markets are saturated? If the demand doesn't grow exponentially, then prices fall, dramatically. It's not like Microsoft stock. They aren't (currently) making any more of that.

 

[Ed Clark]

I am very happy to see that a 14 year old boy has finally been treated fairly. That is the reason that I brought this transaction to light. If It had been a good deal, there would never have to be a refund of any kind. how many more refunds will there have to be as these deals start to surface? Andre was afraid to come here and tell his story, I told him the good folks here could help him. I was right about that. Andre im very thankful that you were refunded your money, and please put alot more thought into who you will send your money to and make your next purchase from.

 

[ravensgait]

No problem Joe,

There hasn't been any proof of anything that I've seen, just the words of a 14 year old and a bunch of people who have never done business with MKR yet hate them.. As I've said Joe comes off as a major ass ole but I haven't seen any proof that they have done anyone wrong, not one shred. Randy

 

[Wilomn]

Randy, there have been shreds, just not goring chunks of flesh, but there have been several shreds.

This deal with Andre and what he may or may not have been told, is simply the largest we know of.

So far.....

 

[Ed Clark]

I think that a $500.00 refund is a cheap price to pay to silence the masses?

Some people have stated that there was no wrong doing here, please read the MKR thread on ball pythons.net I believe that the proof was clearly presented there.

 

[ravensgait]

Wes what he may or may not have been told is just that his version, if the kid posted any kind of proof I sure didn't see it.. Next time hopefully he'll have his parents take care of his purchases and get things in writing so there isn't a lot of BS as has been seen in his current dealings.

Wes I get the feeling that you see the problems at Reptile Auctions as being some how associated with MKR? Randy

 

[Chameleon Company]

That's why we keep the deep-waders handy around here.

 

[Wilomn]

Wes what he may or may not have been told is just that his version, if the kid posted any kind of proof I sure didn't see it.. Next time hopefully he'll have his parents take care of his purchases and get things in writing so there isn't a lot of BS as has been seen in his current dealings.

Wes I get the feeling that you see the problems at Reptile Auctions as being some how associated with MKR? Randy

Who? Me? Associate one unrelated thing with another apparently unrelated thing? Out of the clear blue? Just like that? Really? You think I not only would but could do such a thing?

How cool would that be, that ability?

 

[ravensgait]

Ed I could say you sold me such and such red white and blue het for polka dots Ball morph and now I've heard there is no such thing. I could bring it here and post a bad guy thread and gee what proof do I have that this ever happened?? About as much proof as I saw posted in that thread..

Whine whine whine Money money money,, We have some here complaining about MKR because they say they made loads of Money off of Balls. We have others here who complain that because of MKR they wont make boat loads of money off of Balls. How about the guys an ass but as far as I can tell hasn't ripped anyone off and just rubs folks the wrong way. Randy

 

[varnyard]

All of the info is not out yet. I will say this thread might run hand in hand with another very popular thread here on the BOI.

If you think the actions they make only affect ball python breeders/sellers, think again. It runs much, much deeper than that. JMHO.

I must agree with Ed:

Ed Clark: I think that a $500.00 refund is a cheap price to pay to silence the masses?

However, I will not look away.