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Inquiry on bearded pets?

I tried to look up the add, but it was gone. I am not trying to start with you for no reason, but step up to the plate and take one for the team. You know that these animals are not hets. I also never heard of the breeder you say these animals come from. Lets have a phone number, or have him post here to come to your defence. I don't think this person exists.
Also, while we are on the subject, take a look at your add for the 4th of july sale on the baby het for albinos. One of those poor animals looks so thin. Its a shame i can't get the pic any bigger than that 1"x1" box that ks allows.
I do not want to gang up on you, but its time you answer the questions everyone is asking. Who the hell is this breeder and were did he get his animal stock from. I bought too many hets that did not pan out, I bought too many animals the were sussposed to be ghosts or pastels, and they were not. i looked like a moron on KS myself, but thats because I just started to get into ball pythons and I did not know. If it wasn't for trustworthy people like Steve Roussis or Alan Basche, I would still probably be ripped off. Be honest. If they are true hets, than I will be the first to apologize. I can admitt when I am wrong. I cna also wake up in the mornig with a clean conscience, knowing that i sell healthy and good quality animals.
Im sorry, but i see too many young kids and hard working people get ripped off. We all want to make money, but lets remember it started as a hobby. And lets remember that the new generation of herpers should learn from our mistakes, and hopefully not by theres.
 
Mike summed it all up very well.

None of us honest folks want to see newer breeders getting ripped off by people selling fake hets or fake pastels.


Lets get this Eligas phone number, I want to prove myself right about you as soon as possible.
 
I do not want to gang up on you, but its time you answer the questions everyone is asking. Who the hell is this breeder and were did he get his animal stock from. I bought too many hets that did not pan out, I bought too many animals the were sussposed to be ghosts or pastels, and they were not. i looked like a moron on KS myself, but thats because I just started to get into ball pythons and I did not know. If it wasn't for trustworthy people like Steve Roussis or Alan Basche, I would still probably be ripped off. Be honest. If they are true hets, than I will be the first to apologize. I can admitt when I am wrong.
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They are true hets, I have been more then willing to start answering questions but so far people have not been throwing them at me. If you want something done ask and I will answer. I answerd the questions Troy wanted me to but he didnt give me a further chance after seeing my latest typo. I cant help it if he wants to be ignorant about things. Which reminds me I will have a response shortly about excepting the deal he had just offerd.
I cna also wake up in the mornig with a clean conscience, knowing that i sell healthy and good quality animals.
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Mike - I can also wake up in the morning with a clear conscience. I know that what I am selling is real and is healthy despite what others "most all of them being people that have not aquired a single herp from me" are saying.
 
JON, HERE IS THE QUESTION......READY.... WHO THE HELL IS ELIJA COLLINS, OR WHOEVER THE PERSON IS WHO BRED THEM? ALSO, WHERE IS HE LOCATED AND WHERE DID HE GET HIS BREEDING STOCK FROM? THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS BEEN ASKING. I SEE YOUR READING COMPREHENTION SKILLS ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS YOUR TYPING CAPABILITIES! STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION! I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN. I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS PERSON EXITS. OR MAYBE, HE IS HANGING OUT WITH KASSIER SOUSSAI.
 
Are you doing this $hit on purpose!?!?!?!?! You have far exceeded the 3 strikes and you're out program. No references, only dissatisfied customers, no pics of your facility, no nothing....but more BS ads up on KS. I'll make you a deal. You send this trio to me, I will raise them up put all the work in them, and in 2-3 years I'll contact with the outcome. IF even a single homozygous animal is born, I will give you the trio and their offspring + the $3,000 asking price. Write me up a contract, I'll sign it, and do all the work for you. Better not pass this one up, you could come out way ahead. What do you got in those things anyway??
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Troy- Thinking about this it seems like extortion to me. Nothing but pure extortion. What are you going to do when you get the snakes; keep them and just don’t post negative about me????? No I do not and will not have any trust in you!! Your not a good person, it’s the only thing to it. I don’t trust your ethics against people you don’t like. You have so far proven by the comments you make about me that you just hate me and will only do what is in your power to go against me. I have no want to do any business with you what so ever not even a transaction with a $3 animal. My guarantee speaks for itself. In 3 years I will have tons of people with proof you were wrong so why should I go and trust a person I do not have any trust in to actually go threw with your word. I will have enough customers proving you were wrong, I do not need to risk money on an individual that will in the end mean absolutely nothing to me. I feel that your post was plain extortion; and you have no right to make false claims against me and my business. If some one one posts here in a few years from now with an actual transaction # and # for the balls and says they did not produce the actual morph; Like I say in my guarantee I will give a full refund of the individuals money, but guess what the hets will produce morph’s and there will be no reason to give a refund.
Thanks
 
HEY JON,
You have 58 pages and not one person wrote in about good dealings with you. Where are all the people who were pleased with thier transactions. You say your reputation speaks for itself. It speaks alright, actually it screams BUYER BEWARE!!!!!
MAYBE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WHERE HAPPY THIER PURCHASES FROM YOU LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN AS E. COLLINS. THAT MUST BE A MAGICAL PLACE.
 
JON, HERE IS THE QUESTION......READY.... WHO THE HELL IS ELIJA COLLINS, OR WHOEVER THE PERSON IS WHO BRED THEM? ALSO, WHERE IS HE LOCATED AND WHERE DID HE GET HIS BREEDING STOCK FROM? THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS BEEN ASKING. I SEE YOUR READING COMPREHENTION SKILLS ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS YOUR TYPING CAPABILITIES! STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION! I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN. I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS PERSON EXITS. OR MAYBE, HE IS HANGING OUT WITH KASSIER SOUSSAI.
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Eliga Collins is located in GA. I will not give out his address and I don’t feel I should. I wanted to be friendly and answer the questions appropriately but after the show you guys gave me today I will not give out any further information. Its not that I cant; I can and if I wanted to, I would put it all here. Problem is for one you’ll steal my provider. For two I think all of you people are crap and don’t deserve an explanation of anything. And for Three my guarantee speaks for itself. I would not give out a guarantee if I was dishonest. I do not feel I need to prove anything to non customers that just continue to complain and make false judgments and comments. I thought I could work this out with you people and show you the truth but I see now that this can not happen with aggressive uncaring minds. I will reside tonight with a clear conscious and I will wake up in the morning with one knowing that in a few years you people will all look like $hit.
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I'm new to breeding snakes, this is only my second year. If I'd tried to sell them the first year I got snakes I would have made an error or two in my first advertisement regarding the background of the snakes. You can be DAMN sure that if I made an error once, trying to sell something I really didn't have, I would be CERTAIN that I did the rest of my advertisements PROPER... if I wasn't certain taht I knew the facts I would research them until I had them. For someone to keep saying over and over again... "ooh, that was a typo" .... is someone who is using excuses. I can see once.... that happens and is part of the learning process, but so many times??? With the amount of errors made on this guys advertisements, one can NEVER EXPECT THEM TO BE TRUE.... because even if Bearded Pets is the most honest breeder in the country, they always make typos that make their animals seem unusual, expensive, or even one of a kind (live bearers laying eggs).

Don't keep using the typo excuse, it's VERY old here!
 
Hi Jon,
Why on earth would I steal your provider. I can get w/c from any of the wholesalers. I only got rude because you evade the questions well. I will call you, if you like and I will talk to you about E. Collins if you like. You offered that before. And I will gladly back off because you are being ganged up on, but there is a reason. People feel that you are full of $hit and that you really haven't stated a case otherwise. You say that you feel that you should not have to give Mr. Collins information, and that is fine. But you can at least have him post here. Look, we have all had customers who were not pleased with us, but you still have not provided the information about the real genetics of the animals.
I have a great idea. can you scan in the original paperwork and post it here. Or maybe take a pic of it. Thats all we are asking for Jon. We just want the truth.
 
How about this

"after the show you guys gave me today I will not give out any further information"

You were asked this question many times and most BEFORE today and guess what. Never answered!

Didnt someone buy one of these on here? What was the background info he sent on these snakes? Or let me guess it wasnt from the guy in GA it was from the Mexico/Canada breeder?

How about this...On the Pied Balls how about naming the breeder your guy in GA bought them from? That can easily be verified as long as he/she is real That way you dont have to give out your guy in GA address or phone and this issue can be put to rest.


Hey how about those pics of your facility?
 
Jon-

Why haven't you emailed me? I gave you my email addy and I haven't heard from you yet? And btw people I actually bought snakes from him and he still hasn't told me who Eliga got his stock from. I asked him 4 pages back and he never replied. Just so you know Jon, this doesn't make you look very good.

Scott Vernooy
 
and also,

Why would we steal your "connect" there are plenty of other places to get animals. I know next time I buy hets it'll be from Nerd or somewhere with a name. You really ruin it for the newcomers like myself. I wouldn't dare try to sell a fake het just because of guilt. I would expect everyone else to kind of share the same ethics as myself and luckily so far most of the people I have had dealings with have. I have bred BPs for yeas but I haven't bred any morphs. I have been saving my money for a couple years to be able to invest in this exciting new breakthrough for BPs. Now I am just frustrated that I have to start all over. Who knows, maybe they are hets? But I'm not going to take my chances on your word. I am about ready to just sell these snakes as norms to get rid of them and forget I ever dealt with you and just move on and kick myself in the ass for a while. It jus kills me that you won't disclose any of this infromation. I gave you my email address. Mail me with Eliga's breeding stock info and I'll check it myself. I'm sure if I checked it out myself and it was legit the people in here were probably take my word for it without me having to disclose any of his "confidential connects". You already have my $650, what do you have to lose? Need my addy again? [email protected] Go ahead, I'll be waiting to hear from you.

Scott Vernooy
 
jon1048 said:
Three my guarantee speaks for itself. I would not give out a guarantee if I was dishonest.
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Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting. Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box because he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter. But how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes", says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.

But why do they put a guarantee on the box, then?

Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item.

LOLLL!! I feel a warning coming on! Sorry for being OT, I couldn't resist!
 
Here is the ONLY gaurantee my snakes came with. Supposedly because he wasn't getting them from E. Collins yet. Even though it stated in the ad there would be paperwork from the original breeder.

Scott Vernooy
 

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Hi jon,
You see, Scott took a pic of the papwerwork and posted it. Its easy to do. So sleep well knowing that you ripped him off. Or prove where they came from. From the magical land of Collinsville. Where all the w/c are cb hets. And where the cute and cuddly aligators push the children on swingsets, while whistling their favorite church song.
Sorry, you are full of crap Jon.
 
Problem is for one you’ll steal my provider.
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Are you for real, I don't touch WC junk, why in the hell would I want fake hets from your source? Or are you buying them as normals and then slapping a "het" label in them?
 
What a BS gaurantee too. AFTER the 2nd breeding? So 5 years down the road you will give him his money back.

This is laughable, an adult female is worth more than the original price.


I really feel for the folks that bought hets from the trunk.
 
The guarantee

Scott,

In my opinion that guarantee is worthless as it has no address, no name, no signature, no picture I.D.

Regards.
 
I 100% agree. The pic of the snake is so small it is hard to see. And the pattern on the snake doesn't match either of the pair. I've examined it and had colleagues examine it and have all come to the same conclusion.









Scott Vernooy
 
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